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My child is in constant trouble at school but good at home. What to do.

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 08:39

Hi there.
not sure where to start so here we go.
I have a 13 year old son, who is in constant trouble at school.
His usual issues are low level disruption, chatter (a lot) and the odd general boyish behaviour. Never anything untoward for eg: bullying, spiteful or the usual things you’d hate your teenager to be involved in.
At home, although there is the odd teenage attitude outburst, on the whole he is a joy to be around, well behaved, well mannered etc. He is very funny, personable, considerate and just a decent kid (to us, his friends parents, family etc) no one can ever understand why he’s in so much trouble at school.
We have a great relationship which I’m keen to preserve of course. He confides in me and is he’s very honest (too honest sometimes!!).
He will hold his hands up when he has deserved the sanction point.
He has a great friendship group, decent boys who are likeminded etc.
The school is one of the best in the area. They are strict, which I support. I think.
At first, in year 7, we came down on him like a ton of bricks everytime he received a ‘sanction behaviour point’. Over time this has stopped as he ended up in a right mess and felt he had nowhere to turn (stopped eating, extremely emotional at home, etc etc). After discussing by with the school we felt their punishments (detention etc) should be enough. (Considering there wasn’t ever any extreme behaviour like bullying etc).
fast forward to year 9 and he has all but completely written off school. He hates it and cannot wait to leave. He’s a bright lad so this breaks my heart.
His planned GCSE choices (which he is certain he will fail) all revolve around which teachers he gets on with.
Im bombarded with emails and calls from the school about how talkative he is (and from him in the toilets during the day, phones are banned but he texts and sends voice notes secretly telling me what’s going on, I do warn him if he looses his phone it’s his own fault, but equally I’m pleased he feels he can call mum).
He has been accused of being rude to staff on odd occasions, and when we discussed this at home it was because he was being accused of doing something he didn’t do and was frustrated (I investigated, he was telling the truth on all occasions, I even had to dig out his bank statements to send to the school on one occasion when he was accused of having a fizzy drink. He doesn’t like fizzy drinks for a start!!). We do talk about how to get your point accords respectfully however, no place for rudeness in my mind. He says he was just trying to tell them it wasn’t him etc and they wouldn’t listen.
Additionally, what we are finding is once he receives a sanction point in the week, he will spiral and it just gets worse from there.
Also, this is not in every subject, he can tell us ahead of time which subjects he will receive a sanction in at the start of the day and he is usually right (based on which teachers he has).
Im now at a point where I have told the school to stop contacting me unless he is rude/ bullying or if he is quiet (as that would be concerning!!)
I totally understand how ‘low level disruption’ is not fair on the other children, and we do discuss at home etc but im at a loss of what to do and this is so draining on us as parents, let alone him. He’s now starting to try and get out of school on the ‘bad days’ . He tried to tell me he was ill and I saw straight past him and he was then honest, he’s had enough of the constant sanctions and I can totally understand.
He has a detention every week (detentions are based on how many sanction points a child receives rather a specific events). As the school is 15 miles away, one of us then has to pick him up which is a nightmare (we both work full time).
We have spoken to him about this until we are blue in the face. I’ve told him just to be mute in certain subjects etc to get by.
i should also point out that he gets an incredible amount of positive points for his contributions to lessons and for his confidence etc. it’s not all bad!
i have emailed the school so I’m waiting to hear back but at the moment I’m thinking he would be best for everyone if he didn’t go to school on the ‘bad days’ which is ridiculous!! He’s always had excellent attendance so the fact in even thinking like this is shocking.
does anyone have any advice. I’m exhausted and so is he.
thanks so much.

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scienceteachersarefun · 08/11/2025 14:32

In all honesty, OP, it's a battle. Constant disruption, rudeness, lack of respect, lack of self control, problems with teacher recruitment and retention and low budgets have led to this.
I would love a relaxed atmosphere in my classroom. However, it's often not achievable with so many students who are not prepared, nor have parental support for, learning.
As you will have noted from my previous posts, I am sympathetic to your situation and I do think your child needs support and help and effective diagnosis.
I knew it would turn into a bit of a schools bash, but please consider why schools have had to go down this route.
Best of luck.

Redburnett · 08/11/2025 14:31

Maybe it's time to consider a change of school if you are convinced nothing else is going to work. Some teens just do not respond to rigid rules and sanctions, and they get demoralised, as you describe. If you genuinely believe the school regime is going to result in him doing badly in his GCSEs then perhaps a move now might work - but there is no certainty. It is puzzling that your posts don't seem to mention his friends (sorry if I have missed something) but if he doesn't have a good secure friendship group that again might be a reason to consider a move. If he is bright then you probably are going to need to push as much as you can to ensure he gets the grades he is capable of. What might actually motivate him to be a bit more studious? Final points, what have subject teachers said at parents' evenings, and look at his school exercise books to see if you can gauge how much work he is doing in class, it might be revealing.

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 14:21

OhDear111 · 08/11/2025 13:46

@VikaOlson the op hasn’t said the school is draconian though and clearly the teachers have varying tolerances to disruption. It’s fairly easy for dc to not be late for a lesson because he phoned his mum. Surely he knew what the teacher would think and what the consequence would be. Who on earth wants to be a teacher with so many dc being like this? Why are they like this? No one used to phone home years ago? We didn’t even have a phone. How come there’s any need now?

This is my only secondary school experience. I have nothing to compare this to, so I don’t know if this is standard or over the top. All I know is that we’re a sinking ship and I’m trying to help him. I’ve never asked strangers on the internet their thoughts before today as I’ve been trying (and failing) my best to sort this quietly.
i actually agree with you comments. Why is this how it is? High schools of the 90’s was so much easier. No phones, no social media crap etc etc etc. but, we don’t live in the 90’s anymore and schools and society has moved on in terms of pastoral needs. I actually thought it was ridiculous that it was needed- until I needed it (first week yr7, photos of my son were sent around the school making fun of his appearance) the messages made their way to me. Awful. Heart wrenching, especially when he asked me to ‘make it stop please mum’ and I couldn’t.
could you if in the 90’s? Yes! After 3:00pm it was done and if it was really bad your dad knocked on their door.
teachers dealt with stuff, kids were more respectful. There was no pastoral, ADHD etc etc. (well there was. But that’s another topic).
now, I’m trying to manage and solve stuff I know nothing about whilst trying to bring up a decent human being when quite frankly, I feel that everything is geared up for me to fail.
My son is asking for my help and support. The school is asking for my support and I’m sat in the middle trying to be fair, see both sides and not be that ‘my son is an angel parent’ (I really try not to be!)
his timing might not be appropriate when he calls, and I tell him as much. But I’d rather him feel he can reach out than do something stupid by not communicating.
id rather he didn’t call me. But I’m glad he feels he can.
sorry for the rant but it isn’t quite a clear cut as one phone call before a lesson.
Also, I’m not convinced he’s thinking things through quite as simply as you put it. I wish he would! He often reflects on how things could of gone better, we have many discussions of this nature.
so yes. Hard agree with you. Ban the phones! Ban social media. 100% I’m with you.
it’s just not that simple.
i really wish it was.
apologies for the long reply, i appreciate everyone’s point of view here, which is what i posted.

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Jennyginger · 08/11/2025 14:10

But he doesn’t "get on well with everyone", does he? It sounds as if he has a cheeky, confident persona that appeals to some and not to others (the teachers he dislikes). If he knows in advance that he will be in trouble in some lessons, could he really not just keep his head down and keep quiet in those lessons? Either he doesn’t see it as important enough and chooses not to, or he has a medical problem. Your comment about being contacted if he is quiet, which you presumably thought was sort of amusing, shows that you don’t even expect him to shut up and let others get on with their learning. Are you sure he isn’t just living down to your expectations?

And if phones are banned in school, why are you encouraging him to take his and text Mummy from the toilets, ffs? You actually admit that you like him doing it!

It would be wonderful if you could actually sit in on some of his lessons, to see what’s going on, but I don’t suppose the school would allow it. You could try showing him the different lives of youngsters who did well in GCSEs and those who didn’t.

If all else, eg meeting the SENCO, fails, you might need to move him to a different school - but he might well encounter the same difficulties there. Continual low-level disruption may not be as bad as bullying but it is incredibly irritating for teachers and impacts the learning of everyone else. You don’t see that problem at home because he is not put in the position of having to share an adult's attention with 25 others or do things he would rather not do.

OhDear111 · 08/11/2025 13:46

@VikaOlson the op hasn’t said the school is draconian though and clearly the teachers have varying tolerances to disruption. It’s fairly easy for dc to not be late for a lesson because he phoned his mum. Surely he knew what the teacher would think and what the consequence would be. Who on earth wants to be a teacher with so many dc being like this? Why are they like this? No one used to phone home years ago? We didn’t even have a phone. How come there’s any need now?

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 13:42

Houmousandcrisps · 08/11/2025 13:41

Sorry, have just seen that he has a sister so scrap that. Also that he has had issues with eating so meds might not be a great idea as they can suppress appetite. But apart from that, do definitely look into the diagnosis as it should help the school be more understanding of his needs.

Also. Sorry to hear of your troubles also. It’s so hard.
thanks for commenting.

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Houmousandcrisps · 08/11/2025 13:41

Sorry, have just seen that he has a sister so scrap that. Also that he has had issues with eating so meds might not be a great idea as they can suppress appetite. But apart from that, do definitely look into the diagnosis as it should help the school be more understanding of his needs.

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 13:40

Houmousandcrisps · 08/11/2025 13:27

Is he an only child?
I have a very able DS with ADHD. School has been a challenge to put it mildly with lots of similarities to what you describe (constant low level trouble, nothing vindictive/serious, endless detentions for disruption in class, calling out, toe tapping, humming etc and forgetting equipment, huge variation in his response to different teachers). Diagnosis helped as (some) teachers adapted their teaching style, he went on meds - we also stressed the importance of good behaviour/boundaries as SEN isn’t an excuse. He did GCSEs in the summer and did v well, though there are still bumps along the way in sixth form.
I asked if yours is an only child as DS is sweetness and light at home unless competing with his siblings!

Hi There,
no, he has a very annoying little sister (as he would say).
they are actually super sweet together. Will argue over who’s turn it is to have a shower first, competitive etc, but are fiercely protective over one another. They work well together and he does a lot with her (dance routines, games etc). He’s really good with her (she’s SO bossy!!) There is a 4 year age gap. X

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 13:40

Houmousandcrisps · 08/11/2025 13:27

Is he an only child?
I have a very able DS with ADHD. School has been a challenge to put it mildly with lots of similarities to what you describe (constant low level trouble, nothing vindictive/serious, endless detentions for disruption in class, calling out, toe tapping, humming etc and forgetting equipment, huge variation in his response to different teachers). Diagnosis helped as (some) teachers adapted their teaching style, he went on meds - we also stressed the importance of good behaviour/boundaries as SEN isn’t an excuse. He did GCSEs in the summer and did v well, though there are still bumps along the way in sixth form.
I asked if yours is an only child as DS is sweetness and light at home unless competing with his siblings!

Hi There,
no, he has a very annoying little sister (as he would say).
they are actually super sweet together. Will argue over who’s turn it is to have a shower first, competitive etc, but are fiercely protective over one another. They work well together and he does a lot with her (dance routines, games etc). He’s really good with her (she’s SO bossy!!) There is a 4 year age gap. X

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Houmousandcrisps · 08/11/2025 13:27

Is he an only child?
I have a very able DS with ADHD. School has been a challenge to put it mildly with lots of similarities to what you describe (constant low level trouble, nothing vindictive/serious, endless detentions for disruption in class, calling out, toe tapping, humming etc and forgetting equipment, huge variation in his response to different teachers). Diagnosis helped as (some) teachers adapted their teaching style, he went on meds - we also stressed the importance of good behaviour/boundaries as SEN isn’t an excuse. He did GCSEs in the summer and did v well, though there are still bumps along the way in sixth form.
I asked if yours is an only child as DS is sweetness and light at home unless competing with his siblings!

Bpod1 · 08/11/2025 13:09

I agree with previous poster's who suggested SENCO involvement but also do you think he would benefit from private tutoring? I remember at school a lot of kids caused disruption due to embarrassment of not understanding the lessons. With 30 kids in each classes, teachers cannot help every child in the way they need. Inevitably some kids fall behind and cause disruption due to embarrassment. Private tutoring may help in subjects he enjoys but is behind on.

VikaOlson · 08/11/2025 13:05

Poor kid. School is just not suitable for all children and of course I do also feel for the other children and teachers who are disrupted.

My son also goes to a school where they are sanctioned for looking around, slouching, not eye tracking the teacher and even he (no additional needs) says sometimes he puts so much effort into remembering and following all the behaviour acronyms that he forgets to actually listen to the lesson content 🙄

Imagine having to go somewhere every day where everything you do just gets negative feedback, whether you can help it or not. Your very being and personality is a problem.

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:58

marcopront · 08/11/2025 12:14

Of course people need their Mums.
My daughter at university in a different country calls me every day.
My mum has been dead for nearly 30 years, I would love to talk to her.

The question is why does he need her at 1:40 on a Tuesday afternoon when he should be in Maths class and he will see her that afternoon?

Usually he contacts me inbetween lessons or breaks.
Friday was unusual in that it was just before a lesson. But he’d reached a point. He wanted to come home. He was trying to contact me to collect him (I wouldn’t, I never have, he knows that. He was trying to tell me he’d reached his limit). He’d had a terrible day and week. Sometimes he just needs me to tell him to pull his socks up and crack on. Which he did.
and then received a sanction.
which he deserved. He was late.
he also needs a break.

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ladycardamom · 08/11/2025 12:55

My son was like this until aged 14 when I took him to a careers fair. I was at end of my tether nagging about school. He sulked around the careers fair until he noticed something he was interested in (airforce). He now has a goal to work towards. His school behaviour and study ethic just switched. Maybe we were lucky but something similar could be worth a try. He admits now he mucked around because he didn't see the point in school.

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:51

Twobigbabies · 08/11/2025 12:23

There seems to be a movement towards a much stricter environment at many state secondaries. Unfortunately this really doesn't suit some children. That's also a long journey to school what time does he have to get up in the morning? I would seriously be considering a school move in addition to the ADHD screening.

It is strict. They get a sanction for poor posture.
if the teacher is talking their pen must be down. It’s a lot.
do I agree, I agree the need to do something as I understand how out of control it can get. But seeing it, it hard to watch.
he gets up at 6:30 (bus as 7:30). Most nights he’s asleep by 8:30 as he doesn’t do tired well.
thanks.

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:48

TooManyCupsAndMugs · 08/11/2025 12:24

I can see this from both sides - I am a secondary school teacher and a mum of a child like this. I think the whole school set up for boys your son's age is all wrong- they are bored, demoralised and can't see the point. They need more practical subjects, movement and interesting content. It doesn't solve your problem but keep talking - emphasise that school is the means to get to the next step. Talk about jobs, careers, courses for later on. If it makes you feel better, lots of these boys change in year 10, they grow up a bit!

Thanks for this. I was hoping to hear from some teachers.
Appriciate your comment. Thank you.

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:47

MooDengOfThailand · 08/11/2025 11:20

Screams ADHD.
Anyone else in your family with it?

Not diagnosed. I often wonder myself if I am undiagnosed. i grew up in the 90’s- we just got on with it. I miss those times!!

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:44

mummybearSW19 · 08/11/2025 09:54

If he really cannot help himself and behave at school then you need to consider assessment for additional needs. There is something else going on here.

and this is likely the wrong school for him. Look urgently into a move and an assessment with an Ed psychologist and an optometrist (to check his eyes are doing what they should). Urgently given proximity to GCSEs.
his current school are letting him down if they have not reviewed his behaviour with you and suggested an assessment.

or. He is just a dick. Who will grow up into being one of those dicks you meet in life whose mother thinks they are amazing and all other women cannot stand being in a lift with. If you don’t want this then you need to seriously reflect on his behaviour at home too.
ie is he really ok at home?
why is he calling you from the toilets at school?
Why did he stop eating?
Why has he stopped playing with his football team?
is he the class clown to cover up the fact he has no idea what’s going on?
can he read?
what is his working memory and processing speed like?
everything you say is a MASSIVE RED FLAG 🚩 to unmet additional needs.

(I am a mother with 2 SEN kids. Both bright. Need support to reach their potential. Would do Badly in a strict school. Need loads of coaching and pastoral care and small classes)

you have got this but you need to move and you need to move now. Find someone to assess him. Check other school options. Consider private if you can stretch to it for GCSEs. beg grandparents to help financially if they can.

he is going off the rails otherwise. And why would you allow him to fail GCSEs if you can intervene now? In the meantime his self esteem is taking a battering and he is crying out for help. (13yo boys do not ring mummy from the toilets during the school day for no reason)

best of luck. You’ve got this.

I love this comment!
I wondered exactly this if he was just a dick. But he’s not. He’s a good kid.
examples include-
-would not go trick or treating with his teenage friends as it would be intimidating to others seeing a group his age (we have elderly neighbours who he helps out with stuff a lot).
-got into a heap of trouble at school one day for asking to be moved seats. But would not explain why to anyone. Refused to talk about it. Teacher sent him out for not explaining himself. Turns out, the girl he say next to had a BO issue but he refused to tell anyone out of respect for the girl. He explained to me once he was home. I called school to explain the issue- he felt awful. I was quite proud of him for this one. Would have been easier to tell everyone why, but he chose not to.
the list goes on, he is a good egg.
not firm- not a dick, can definitely be a dick at times!!

is he ok. Well no, not really at the moment as school is getting ‘a lot’.
His football situation is complicated, let’s just say there is only so many times you can be told you are playing shit before you believe it and give up.

he usually calls me/ voice notes me from school when something has happened he feels is unfair re sanctions (getting in there first) Or the other day he sent a voice note to let me know a bird had shat on his head. I get all sorts. Sometimes it’s because somethings happened with kids not being nice (unusual, but it happens). Not every day, but he reaches out a lot. In the toilets, usually via voice note.
if it’s serious he will go to student reception.

reading is exceptional. He used to want to be a writer, read all the time. He hasn’t picked up a book since secondary school.

all comments taken onboard, thank you. But not a dick 🤣. I almost wish he was then I could lay down the law more at home!!

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TooManyCupsAndMugs · 08/11/2025 12:24

I can see this from both sides - I am a secondary school teacher and a mum of a child like this. I think the whole school set up for boys your son's age is all wrong- they are bored, demoralised and can't see the point. They need more practical subjects, movement and interesting content. It doesn't solve your problem but keep talking - emphasise that school is the means to get to the next step. Talk about jobs, careers, courses for later on. If it makes you feel better, lots of these boys change in year 10, they grow up a bit!

Twobigbabies · 08/11/2025 12:23

There seems to be a movement towards a much stricter environment at many state secondaries. Unfortunately this really doesn't suit some children. That's also a long journey to school what time does he have to get up in the morning? I would seriously be considering a school move in addition to the ADHD screening.

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:21

BertieBotts · 08/11/2025 11:02

This reads as a typo - he does this at home?

In which case there's your ADHD traits in a second environment.

Yes, sorry- he does exactly that at home. I just assume he’s not listening, distracted etc.
Happens a lot. I get him to repeat instructions back to me when it’s important (for example, he was being collected by his friends parents at a specific time so I needed him to be ready. I was heading out taking his sibling to her activity so he needed to be ready independent of my constant reminders).
he was ready on time, all was well.
He is very time conscious when it’s routine etc. He leaves on time every morning without reminders as he needs to get the bus.
he hates being late and will often go through the plans with me if something adhoc is happening. Even though I’ve told him the plans 3 times, he wonders back in to re-cap on what’s happening.
drives his dad nuts!!

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marcopront · 08/11/2025 12:14

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 08/11/2025 10:14

Why does he need his mum?

Im 62, mines been dead 20 years. I still need her.
Ds is 31, he still comes to me with problems.

Isnt maintaining a relationship with your teen ds a good thing…… ?

Of course people need their Mums.
My daughter at university in a different country calls me every day.
My mum has been dead for nearly 30 years, I would love to talk to her.

The question is why does he need her at 1:40 on a Tuesday afternoon when he should be in Maths class and he will see her that afternoon?

scienceteachersarefun · 08/11/2025 12:09

As I said upthread, there are many strategies that the school can put in place. Usually, they have a very positive impact. Just make sure that you're in a meeting with the SENDCO and the pastoral head

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 12:08

FofB · 08/11/2025 11:56

I get it- but if the school keep doing exactly the same thing, they will get exactly the same results. Which benefits no-one; you, your son, teachers or other children. They should be able to call on resources/experience/senco to come up with some sort of solution other than punishment. He deserves a decent education just like everyone else. Is it an option that doesn't take as many GCSE's to be able to focus on the ones he might need for the future?

This is exactly why I think we’re all exhausted. I’m going to raise this with the school.
there must be another way to sort this.
Thanks again x

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FofB · 08/11/2025 11:56

Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 11:24

I absolutely hear you, I would feel completely the same way. I feel for your daughter I honestly do.

please know that Johns mum is possibly feeling the same way as me as is really trying.

Im emailing the school today for a meeting. We’ve all had enough, including the other children I’m sure.

I get it. But from my side, it’s starting to feel that he’s not worthy of an education because of how he is. Weirdly, if he was quiet or mute I think I’d be really worried.

thank you x

I get it- but if the school keep doing exactly the same thing, they will get exactly the same results. Which benefits no-one; you, your son, teachers or other children. They should be able to call on resources/experience/senco to come up with some sort of solution other than punishment. He deserves a decent education just like everyone else. Is it an option that doesn't take as many GCSE's to be able to focus on the ones he might need for the future?

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