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Please do encourage your non-native speaker DC to take MFL for A level if that’s what they would like

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clary · 25/10/2025 20:36

MFL is my subject – I studied MFL at A level and university, taught MFL at secondary and now tutor and conduct speaking assessments. This isn’t an ad! – just to show I have some knowledge.

Take-up of MFL at GCSE and very much at A level is sadly (my view) diminishing. There are a number of reasons – it’s seen as difficult or not needed, big focus on STEM (which I am not against FWIW).

One suggested reason is because of all the native speakers who will make it much harder to gain a higher grade (esp at A level). I wanted to help people to see that it’s not an issue, and that if their DC is keen on French or German or Spanish or any other language, they should (please) pursue it in some way, whether that’s qualifications or some independent method (Duolingo, travel, online class).

People worry that grade boundaries are unfairly pushed up by the numbers of native speakers, making it impossible for a non-native to get a good grade. But in fact there is no need to be of native speaker standard to gain a top grade – which the AQA spec clearly states. If you get the marks – and they are there to be got – you’ll get the grade. The GCSE and A level exam are not targeted at the high end of a native speaker ability. It’s not easy, you’ll need to work, but what’s the issue with that?

And are the GBs pushed up? Pretty sure they are not. Polish GCSE, for example, which surely is sat in virtually every case by a native speaker – AQA GCSE GBs for a 9-8-7 last year – 196/173/150; GBs for French (mostly not sat by natives) 195/172/150; Spanish (ditto) 195/170/145. Very very similar. More than 80% of those taking Polish GCSE get a grade 7+ – but you can see, that has not affected the GBs. Nor should it IMHO.

And looking at A level, where German is taken by so few students that the % of native speakers must be higher than for French or Spanish (both taken by three times as many) – GBs for A-star and A, 351/304; French 358/325; Spanish 344/303. A higher mark needed to get a top grade in French, not German, even tho the % of natives in French will be lower.

A colleague said to me last year that their DS was in an A level class with a French native speaker – “of course that was a nightmare as he couldn’t do as well as her” – firstly it’s not a contest – you can both get an A-star! Secondly it can be a massive benefit. I had a friend in my A level French class who was amazing at vocab. She was an asset in class and my colleague’s DC's classmate could be too. Ask them vocab, learn the latest idiom from them, they will have interesting views on the social and political issues you need to discuss. It really is a positive.

Also I want to stress that despite what some ppl believe, being a native speaker is not a shoo-in for an A star at A level. For sure it is a help, I would be foolish to deny that. But I have seen native speakers in speaking assessments who have clearly thought they just need to rock up and boom! top grade. They have presented a woefully inadequate IRP form, and not done their homework on the topics. I had a native speaker candidate last year was emphatic that she didn’t need to have read a book or watched a film, as no one had told her about that element of the exam. These students will not get A stars.

I tell you who will tho – a student (native or not) who has worked hard, researched their IRP topic, learned some good vocab, stats and current views on the 12 topics; a student who has learned how to do to do well in the written exams, including summaries (often the downfall of a native speaker IME) and translation tasks; a student who has read the book, watched the film, read around both and acquired the necessary vocab and structures to write cogently about the themes therein. All of that is available to both native and non-native speakers. Some of the very best candidates I have seen in speaking assessments have been native speakers who had clearly done lots and lots of work, and some of the other best have been non-native, who ditto.

All that said – I really don’t advise A level MFL without a strong grounding in vocab and grammar – which usually equates (other factors aside) to a grade 7 at GCSE.

Anyway what a long post! sorry! but I am interested in others’ views and experiences.

OP posts:
mamagogo1 · 25/10/2025 22:54

Sorry but it is an issue in skewing results, in my DD’s class of the 13 A’s/a stars, every single one had French heritage (big college) of the b’s she was the only one, the rest of the class (16) all got c or below

Stowickthevast · 25/10/2025 22:50

Really interesting post @clary as I hadn't realized this was a thing until recently when we went to a top London 6th form. Dd is interested in taking German A level, and the student we talked to was a little obsessed with native speakers, telling her she could still take it even if she wasn't a native speaker. I don't think it had ever occurred to us that she couldn't take it for that reason as it's consistently been one of her strongest subjects (predicted a 9) so just feels like an obvious choice. Dd was quite bemused by the whole thing and has probably decided to stay at her current school.
But then a friend at another school told me it was almost impossible to get a 9 in GCSE Spanish if you weren't a native speaker as the oral is so hard so it does feel like there's a lot of misinformation out there.

TeaandHobnobs · 25/10/2025 20:47

So great to see a post advocating MFL!
DS is lucky to go to a state school which used to have a language specialism back in the day (as did my secondary school); DD has discounted a very good school for secondary, because they don’t offer German - she instead wants to go to a school that offers 6 languages.
I hope they will continue a language to A Level 🙏🏻

MiniMidiMaxi · 25/10/2025 20:44

Thanks for this @clary - I have a y11 DS with French as his strongest subject (I wonder if Linguistics might suit him as a degree subject) who is debating this right now. The ‘native speaker’ question has been in the back of my mind.

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