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Can a school treat pupils differently based on which preference they ranked a school?

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EduCated · 17/10/2025 10:55

Facebook put a post from a random school not local to me in my feed (as it does) which I’m intrigued by.

This school seems to be offering transport (unclear if it’s free or a paid service) to Year 7 pupils who put the school as their first choice.

It feels dubious to be incentivising first choices with something so tangible, but then to actually go on and provide a different service based on whether or not the school was first choice. Is that actually allowed?

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DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:30

clary · 17/10/2025 17:24

People can say anything on FB tho.

If you are in England and this happened in the last 10 or so years, then one of the following will be the case:
The ppl didn't list the school they wanted
They listed it, but put another school higher (maybe bc of poor advuce) and were offered that
Their application was late or in some other way incorrectly submitted

Or they just didnt get the school because other people like us got it instead.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:29

SheilaFentiman · 17/10/2025 17:27

Ooh, I have another one - because PP said "while local children who had a nursery place were not given a spot for reception."

The parents thought they didn't have to do an application as DCs were attending the school nursery and assumed that would transfer automatically.

Edited

No it's pretty widely known and advertised that it doesnt work that way. They applied and were not given a place.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:28

Cloudyberries · 17/10/2025 17:22

No one's assuming that. They are taking it from admissions policies. The advice you are giving could be actively damaging - I knew several people at the school gate who only put down one option thinking "they'll have to give us it". Their children got allocated a school about 8 miles away which had been in special measures for years and sat plum last in the county's league tables. There was absolute disbelief that the LA could be so "unfair" but I couldn't believe how many of them hadn't bothered to read the admissions policy and thought they were being clever. Several of them ended up forking out for private school.

Thankfully that's unlikely to happen these days as the birth rate is down and schools are much less heavily oversubscribed. Children get into their first preference where there is space for them, irrespective of what you put lower down your list.

Well this thread, unless you think it is made up, shows otherwise, doesn't it?

titchy · 17/10/2025 17:27

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:53

Worked out for people I've given it to.

Correlation does not equal causation.

SheilaFentiman · 17/10/2025 17:27

clary · 17/10/2025 17:24

People can say anything on FB tho.

If you are in England and this happened in the last 10 or so years, then one of the following will be the case:
The ppl didn't list the school they wanted
They listed it, but put another school higher (maybe bc of poor advuce) and were offered that
Their application was late or in some other way incorrectly submitted

Ooh, I have another one - because PP said "while local children who had a nursery place were not given a spot for reception."

The parents thought they didn't have to do an application as DCs were attending the school nursery and assumed that would transfer automatically.

clary · 17/10/2025 17:24

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:15

Okay. So the parents in the facebook groups who lived on the doorstep of the school but didnt get a place and were unsuccessful on appeal are just lying.

In the primary school, there were some angry parents that I and others got places despite living 2 miles away while local children who had a nursery place were not given a spot for reception.

My way has worked for me and people I know. I will stick to it for sure.

People can say anything on FB tho.

If you are in England and this happened in the last 10 or so years, then one of the following will be the case:
The ppl didn't list the school they wanted
They listed it, but put another school higher (maybe bc of poor advuce) and were offered that
Their application was late or in some other way incorrectly submitted

SheilaFentiman · 17/10/2025 17:24

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:21

I am not wrong. A lot of people on this thread thought schools weren't privy to preferences. They were shown to be wrong.

You are wrong about how preferences work and how appeals work.

HTH.

Cloudyberries · 17/10/2025 17:22

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:41

I dont think they were. Just like people here assumed that no school sees the order of your choices. I'd give anyone the same advice as I took, especially if they live locally.

No one's assuming that. They are taking it from admissions policies. The advice you are giving could be actively damaging - I knew several people at the school gate who only put down one option thinking "they'll have to give us it". Their children got allocated a school about 8 miles away which had been in special measures for years and sat plum last in the county's league tables. There was absolute disbelief that the LA could be so "unfair" but I couldn't believe how many of them hadn't bothered to read the admissions policy and thought they were being clever. Several of them ended up forking out for private school.

Thankfully that's unlikely to happen these days as the birth rate is down and schools are much less heavily oversubscribed. Children get into their first preference where there is space for them, irrespective of what you put lower down your list.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:21

SheilaFentiman · 17/10/2025 17:21

You are wrong.

Anecdote is not data.

I am not wrong. A lot of people on this thread thought schools weren't privy to preferences. They were shown to be wrong.

SheilaFentiman · 17/10/2025 17:21

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:17

It's true where I live. The only people who are ever successful on appeal were allocated schools they never applied to

You are wrong.

Anecdote is not data.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:17

Sexentric · 17/10/2025 17:11

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. We were having this discussion at the school gates today.

It's true where I live. The only people who are ever successful on appeal were allocated schools they never applied to

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:15

clary · 17/10/2025 17:13

Yes you got that school because a place was available. Do you actually think your DC leapfrogged a load of other children who.lived nearer, put that school first but then listed nearer schools as their 2nd and 3rd prefs? That would never stand up would it?

What happened was that luckily for you, you were within the last offered distance of the school you put first preference. All good. Nothing at all to do with the other schools you listed. I promise.

Edited

Okay. So the parents in the facebook groups who lived on the doorstep of the school but didnt get a place and were unsuccessful on appeal are just lying.

In the primary school, there were some angry parents that I and others got places despite living 2 miles away while local children who had a nursery place were not given a spot for reception.

My way has worked for me and people I know. I will stick to it for sure.

clary · 17/10/2025 17:13

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:07

That's the point. I never listed the school around the corner and was never offered it. I listed an oversubscribed school on the other side of the borough and got the place I needed. To be fair most schools where I live are oversubscribed though.

Yes you got that school because a place was available. Do you actually think your DC leapfrogged a load of other children who.lived nearer, put that school first but then listed nearer schools as their 2nd and 3rd prefs? That would never stand up would it?

What happened was that luckily for you, you were within the last offered distance of the school you put first preference. All good. Nothing at all to do with the other schools you listed. I promise.

Sexentric · 17/10/2025 17:11

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:10

If you appeal and you've listed the school, you'll never be able to appeal your place. As I said, we have our places using that advice. I don't know anyone who has won an appeal if they listed the school they were allocated.

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. We were having this discussion at the school gates today.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 17:07

clary · 17/10/2025 17:01

Based on what please? And to say the advice to list a bunch of schools a long way away “worked” tells nothing. If I listed the school round the corner first and then three schools 10 miles away, yes I would get my first choice, but not because if the other prefs. There’s no causality here and I hope no one misses out on a school they might prefer bc of your advice.

If I had listed popular out if catchment school A as first pref, followed by far away schools as per your advice, we would have been allocated unpopular school Z for sure. Not the popular school we didn’t qualify for. And not our local one if we didn’t list it.

That's the point. I never listed the school around the corner and was never offered it. I listed an oversubscribed school on the other side of the borough and got the place I needed. To be fair most schools where I live are oversubscribed though.

clary · 17/10/2025 17:01

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:53

You can appeal but your chances of success are greatly reduced.

Based on what please? And to say the advice to list a bunch of schools a long way away “worked” tells nothing. If I listed the school round the corner first and then three schools 10 miles away, yes I would get my first choice, but not because if the other prefs. There’s no causality here and I hope no one misses out on a school they might prefer bc of your advice.

If I had listed popular out if catchment school A as first pref, followed by far away schools as per your advice, we would have been allocated unpopular school Z for sure. Not the popular school we didn’t qualify for. And not our local one if we didn’t list it.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:53

titchy · 17/10/2025 16:50

You’d still be giving incorrect advice then 🤷‍♀️

Worked out for people I've given it to.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:53

clary · 17/10/2025 16:51

Yeh that’s just not true. You can appeal for any school you listed, regardless of if you were allocated one on your list. Not sure where you’re getting your info from but it’s a bit duff.

You can appeal but your chances of success are greatly reduced.

clary · 17/10/2025 16:51

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:23

What I mean is that your appeal will never ve successful if you listed the school. Sorry some was distracting me as I posted that.

Yeh that’s just not true. You can appeal for any school you listed, regardless of if you were allocated one on your list. Not sure where you’re getting your info from but it’s a bit duff.

titchy · 17/10/2025 16:50

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:41

I dont think they were. Just like people here assumed that no school sees the order of your choices. I'd give anyone the same advice as I took, especially if they live locally.

You’d still be giving incorrect advice then 🤷‍♀️

Notagain75 · 17/10/2025 16:46

In my local authority schools have no idea what order they are placed by the child's parents. I thought every area was the same. And transport of organised and offered by the local authority not the school.
I'd be very surprised if schools are allowed to treat children differently based on where they are placed on the preference list.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:41

CryMyEyesViolet · 17/10/2025 16:29

What?

My friends child got her second preference school, but appealed and got the first choice in the end.

You shouldn’t put schools down you wouldn’t accept, but what if you’d got your second choice school? You’d have been knackered when there might have been a much better, closer second option you belligerently didn’t put down.

No one looks at your 2-5 preference UNLESS you don’t get into the first. In yours and your relatives case you got into the first choice and so everyone stopped reading your application there. Your subsequent choices were irrelevant.

I dont think they were. Just like people here assumed that no school sees the order of your choices. I'd give anyone the same advice as I took, especially if they live locally.

EduCated · 17/10/2025 16:30

I understood what you meant, but you are wrong. I do indeed know people who have won an appeal for their first/second preference after being allocated their third preference.

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CryMyEyesViolet · 17/10/2025 16:29

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:23

What I mean is that your appeal will never ve successful if you listed the school. Sorry some was distracting me as I posted that.

What?

My friends child got her second preference school, but appealed and got the first choice in the end.

You shouldn’t put schools down you wouldn’t accept, but what if you’d got your second choice school? You’d have been knackered when there might have been a much better, closer second option you belligerently didn’t put down.

No one looks at your 2-5 preference UNLESS you don’t get into the first. In yours and your relatives case you got into the first choice and so everyone stopped reading your application there. Your subsequent choices were irrelevant.

DEAROP · 17/10/2025 16:23

EduCated · 17/10/2025 16:21

Objectively you can appeal any school you have applied for and been turned down from.

Being allocated your third or sixth choice ‘banker’ school doesn’t stop that.

What I mean is that your appeal will never ve successful if you listed the school. Sorry some was distracting me as I posted that.

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