Please explain exam boards to me: why so many? Why doesn't the DofE do it?

How are you inferring that I think they should??? Why? What have I said that makes you think that?

I couldn't care less about what the Catholic and Anglican Churches think.
I simply don't want them to impose their ideology on other people. Is that too much to ask?

I simply stated that:

• the Catholic and Anglican Churches opposed same-sex marriages, and still do
• Anglican bishops in the house of lord voted against same-sex marriage

Both are easily verifiable facts. So I ask again: what would I have misunderstood about Christianity?

I suspect you will never admit you were wrong, will you?

You're still not explaining what I would have misunderstood about Christianity.

And you still miss the biggie that the MPs who voted against do not run schools based on an ideology which still opposes same-sex marriage. See the difference?

In fact, I think that pretty much every party in the UK (other than maybe Reform? Not sure) now agrees with same-sex marriages, while the Catholic and Anglican Churches have not changed their position.

Could you please explain what I have misunderstood about Christianity?

It would be most odd for me to have misunderstood something... on which I have never said anything!!!

Again, I have never made any theological comment, I simply reported the undeniable fact that Anglican bishops in the house of Lord voted against same-sex marriages.

So I ask again: what would I have misunderstood?

@Wherehasthecatgone So you now accept that I do not have "complete lack of understanding of Christian faith." and are now retracting your earlier statement?

I don't care about Stonewall's earlier position, because Stonewall does not run any schools, and my taxes do not fund any school peddling Stonewall's ideology. See the difference?

But the same sex marriage debate shows the changing nature of ‘British Values’ - for a long time British Values excluded same sex marriage

Sure. But the difference is that British values have changed. Christian values have not.

Lots of things are allowed under law that go against Christian teaching - adultery, sex before marriage, other faiths,

You seem to forget the not-so-subtle difference between disagreeing and forbidding.

Adultery and pre-marital sex go against Christian teachings. Sure. But they are not illegal. At least in this century, no Christian lobby in the UK has ever tried to make those illegal and to say that those who engage in those activities should be arrested. They have the right to say some things are wrong. I have the right to disagree with them and do them anyway (talking about pre-marital sex, or contraception for the Catholics, not advocating adultery!)

Same-sex marriages are different, because Anglicans didn't say: "hey, we disagree, but you do you". No, Anglican bishops voted against. See the difference? See the difference between disagreeing with something, and preventing other people from doing it? The latter means imposing your beliefs onto those who have every right to disagree.

@Wherehasthecatgone What would I have misunderstood?
I made no theological debate. I simply stated the undeniable fact that both the Catholic and Anglican Churches opposed same-sex marriages and that, specifically, Anglican bishops in the house of Lord votes against it, but luckily lost.

These are facts. Documented evidence. Are you maybe denying it?

Read the speech by the Archibishop of Canterbury at the time: https://churchinparliament.org/2013/06/03/marriage-same-sex-couples-bill-archbishop-of-canterburys-speech-in-the-lords/

An atheist saying the same now would probably get arrested for hate speech.

@Araminta1003 Oh, I see... I have been "intolerant" towards faith schools because you think it is "intolerant" to expect that schools and hospitals, funded by everyone's taxes, should not discriminate based on religion.

Thank you for confirming we speak a different language in which words have different meanings.

still waiting to hear where I would have been intolerant and why...

The blessing vs marriage in a church is a very nuanced the debate

There is nothing nuanced about that. Catholics and Anglicans have actively tried to stop same-sex marriages. Unelected Anglican bishops in the house of lords voted against (why do unelected priests get to vote????). Those are the facts.

and I fail to see how children attending church schools and state church schools teaching the full British curriculum should somehow be drawn into such a nuanced debate and bashed around the head because of it. They have nothing to do with that!

I am not saying I want children sucked into this debate. Mine was more of a reply to those who were saying that Christian values are always a good thing to teach. No, they are not.
And that's because Christian churches have actively tried to prevent same-sex marriages.

I know! I have never said nor implied the opposite!

My question was, and remains: how do you reconcile the fact that same-sex marriages are a British value, while both the Catholic and Anglican churches oppose them? Does this mean that those churches oppose a British value?

@FourIsNewSix Exactly! We also de facto have a religious justification for hate speech.

If atheists said what some religious people say about gay people and gay marriages, they could be arrested for hate speech (people have been arrested for less). But if it has a religious reason, then no, it suddenly becomes OK.

Note that religious people are free to think whatever they want. If they think that same-sex unions angers their deity, they have every right to think that. if a religious gay person doesn't want to act on their feelings because they think it would be sinful, they have every right to think and do or not do that. No one is forcing gay people to have sex or get married!

We live in a truly dystopian world if people think that preventing other people from getting married is tolerance, while saying that the religious shouldn't impose their religion on other people is... intolerance. Utter madness.

@Araminta1003 Please, please, pretty please, tell me where I would have been intolerant.

Saying that state-funded schools should expose children to various worldviews without advocating a specific one is intolerant?

Saying that I would never want a state school to peddle my own worldview is intolerant?

Saying that the State should not interfere with your right to teach your children your worldview is intolerant? Saying that doesn't mean you are allowed to teach illegal stuff like advocating religious killings is intolerant?

Daring point out that the Catholic and Anglican churches oppose same-sex marriages, and daring ask how to reconcile that with the British value of "mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs" is intolerant?

Daring ask why religious people feel the need to prevent other people from doing what they disagree with (which no one is forcing them to do) is intolerant?

You and I truly do not speak the same language. Words truly have a different meaning in yours.

@Wherehasthecatgone It helps to know what one is talking about. You clearly do not. Teaching British values means teaching "the mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs"
https://www.nga.org.uk/knowledge-centre/promoting-british-values-in-schools/

I also love how you answered inconvenient questions with... a deafening silence!

You said that " teaching children various world views and not advocating any in particular is going against their faith which supports one particular world view"

I then asked if religious families who send their children to non-faith schools are going against their religion. Your answer? Silence

@Wherehasthecatgone You are unbelievable!!!!

Because teaching children various world views and not advocating any in particular is going against their faith which supports one particular world view.

So all the religious families who send their children to non-faith schools go against their faith because.... because what exactly? Because it goes against your faith to hear that other worldviews exist? Because you need a school to tell you that your worldview is correct and the other ones are wrong???

It is telling children their faith is not true but merely one of a selection of offerings is the opposite of bringing a child up in a faith

It should not be the job of schools funded by everyone's taxes to peddle any single worldview!!! You are welcome to tell your children whatever you want about your worldview, and the state should not interfere with that (as long as your ideology is not illegal, eg you cannot teach that religious killings are justified).

How should a diverse society function? Would you expect Catholic schools, Anglican schools, atheist schools, agnostic schools, Corbynista schools, Blairite schools, Tory schools, etc? Surely you realise that it isn't just theoretically flawed, it would also be practically impossible??

You then go on to say schools should not be neutral but should teach that Anglican, Catholics, and others are wrong.

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth!!

I merely pointed out a clear contradiction:

• allowing same-sex marriages is part of British values
• All schools, including faith ones, should teach British values
• However, both the Anglican and Catholic churches oppose same-sex marriage
• How do you reconcile this? Does this mean that those Churches oppose British values?

Understanding others have other beliefs and must not be discriminated for those beliefs is very different from being told your own beliefs are wrong as you propose.

See above. If anything, schools should encourage a discussion on why religious people feel the need to forbid other people from doing what they disagree with. Religious people don't think people of the same sex should marry? No one is forcing them! They think it's sinful and it angers their deity? They have every right to say so! But why prevent ME from doing something which YOU disagree with but which no one is forcing YOU to do? That's not religious freedom, that's religious oppression. But that's a separate point.

Oh, and of course this ignores that talking about Catholic or Muslim children makes as much sense as talking about a right-wing or a left-wing child - those are things kids should decide for themselves when they are mature enough to do so. But I don't expect someone like you to understand that.

I tell my kids that I have my views, and that they will make up their own mind when they are mature enough to do so. Do you tell your kids they will burn in hell if they dare develop a different worldview from yours?