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Only female in A level class

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Coldddddd · 04/09/2025 14:15

Not sure if this is the right place but I'm looking forward opinions please. DD started 6th form yesterday and found in Physics she's the only female with 14 males and a male teacher. She's quite upset about this, she gets on fine with boys, no past trauma or anything like that. But she feels uncomfortable.

She had her 1st lesson this morning and was told she can swap to a different group (there are plenty of girls in the school doing physics), but doing so means she has to move groups in all her other subjects which she's currently happy with. The teacher broached this with her directly so they obviously recognise it's a potential problem for her.

I just wondered what other people's thoughts were, do you think I should advise her to stay or move groups? Is her learning outcome likely to be impacted by being with all males? Sorry if this seems like a non issue, DD is really quite upset and I'm not sure what to say for the best.

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FlockofSquirrels · 04/09/2025 20:16

A levels is a big, often nervewracking change to begin with; she may be having outsized feelings about this just because she's generally unsettled. I would probably encourage her to hold off on switching groups and see how things go.

I would also point out that one of the big changes at A level is that they do more work outside of the designated lesson times. I'd encourage her to take advantage of knowing other girls taking physics and see if she can plan a small work/study group either during a mutual study period or after school. That might reassure her that she's not actually alone and has other support besides the boys in her lesson group.

AgeingDoc · 04/09/2025 19:57

I was the only girl in my school to do A level physics in the 80s and to make matters worse I was new to the school so didn't know anybody. To be honest, it wasn't great and I got patronised a lot by both the other pupils and the (male) teachers initially. However, I soon established myself as the best in the class so most of them shut up quite quickly. I made good friends with a couple of the boys but most pretty much ignored me for 2 years. One teacher really, really didn't like it though and did his best to undermine me for the whole course. It actually just made me more determined to prove him wrong which was probably good for me as Physics was my least favourite and weakest A level so it kept me working hard. It didn't have a negative effect on my attainment but it wasn't a particularly nice experience, I was slightly on edge all the time and knew that I had to prove myself continually. Most of the same boys were in my Chemistry class and some in Biology but the atmosphere in those was quite different. Largely that will be due to the fact that the other teachers weren't misogynistic bastards I suppose but I think the presence of other girls did improve things too.
Given the choice, I'd opt for a more balanced class to be honest, but possibly not if it causes a lot of disruption to other subjects. It needn't be a huge issue, especially if the teacher is alert to the fact that it could be problematic and keeps an eye on things but I wouldn't say it's a complete non issue either.

Talkinpeace · 04/09/2025 19:26

Before opening the thread I knew it would be physics.

Its the way of the world.
The vast vast majority of physics graduates in many countries are male.

MrsHamlet · 04/09/2025 19:23

Ddakji · 04/09/2025 14:38

It isn’t a total non-issue. She’s in a male space and feels uncomfortable. I’m surprised the school arranged the class like this if there are other girls doing physics - they must know about this kind of thing, surely.

I guess she needs to decide whether she changes up all classes or puts up with this one.

Last year I had two literature groups. Each had one boy and the rest were girls. The other options both had chosen meant that they could not be in the same group without dropping one of their chosen A levels.

We arranged the timetable around their chosen subjects.

Penelopepetunia · 04/09/2025 18:47

I was the only girl that did Physics A level, the only girl on my entire Physics university degree (top university). I now teach Physics.

At least she has been given the choice, but I’d stay and just crack on and say biological sex is irrelevant.

PerpetualOptimist · 04/09/2025 18:43

My DD was one of only two female students in one of her A level classes. She did not actually gel with the other female and initially worked independently and then, over time, more closely with some of the male students.

She also was not particularly confident initially but the male teacher was good at dialling down boisterous over confident shouting out of answers etc and encouraging my daughter to speak up and pitch in. Over time, her confidence grew and that has stood her in good stead since.

Though she works in a sector with a good balance by sex, she oversees an all male team and recently said her sixth form experience, as described above, has been a big help in many different ways.

Best wishes to your daughter.

AelinAG · 04/09/2025 18:13

I’d encourage her to stay if everything else works with her other groups. To take one of my A Levels I had to do it as the only girl in an all boys SCHOOL. And it was honestly such a positive for me.

GlasgowGal2014 · 04/09/2025 17:17

I was the only girl in my Higher Physics class, and all the boys were the year above me (in Scotland we do Highers over two years). I couldn't fit it into my timetable at any other time so I dropped it, and I always wonder what my life would have been like if I had stuck at it because that one change totally altered the focus of my studies and I ended up studying humanities at university instead of something like engineering or architecture which had been my earlier ambition. I'd really encourage her to stick at it if she likes the subject.

noblegiraffe · 04/09/2025 16:38

At secondary school girls tend to prefer to sit with girls and boys tend to prefer to sit with boys. It's obvious to see. That doesn't mean that they won't or can't sit with the opposite sex but just feel more comfortable. It's something I absolutely think about when doing my seating plans.

OP we had a similar situation with A-level maths where we had two girls in a group but one dropped out so the other was left on her own. We also gave her the option to switch and she decided not to.

One other potential option besides your DD switching and having to change all her classes would be for a girl from one of the other groups to switch into hers if that doesn't mess up their classes.

One girl in a group can be ok depending on the girl, but your DD is upset so I would take it seriously.

agoodfriendofthethree · 04/09/2025 16:37

I'm surprised by how harsh some of these comments are!

OP, I really sympathise with your daughter as it must have been a surprise for her, and I'm surprised that the school didn't try to ensure a better mix in the class given that there are other girls doing physics in other classes.

All the data shows that girls do better in single sex (ie female) environments at school. They feel more confident asking questions and there is a much higher uptake of STEM subjects at A level as they are not viewed at all as being "boy" subjects. I realise that is a bit tangential to your daughter's issue as it's not a single sex school etc, but I think it demonstrates if a 50/50 mix is detrimental to girls, clearly being the only one in a class has the potential to be an issue.

Again, slightly tangential, but my kids both go to single sex grammar schools (one is all boys, one all girls). The respective sixth forms have this year decided to merge a level classes as a trial (while still being separate schools). Interestingly, the only ones they haven't merged are maths and the sciences - they have chosen to keep them single sex. They haven't given a reason, but I thought it was interesting given that they are the subjects that are traditionally male dominated.

Whatever your daughter decides to do, I hope she enjoys the course and that it works out for her. Hopefully it will all work out really well but I think that you are right to acknowledge her worries rather than just dismiss them out of hand like a lot of people seem to think!

mamagogo1 · 04/09/2025 16:37

It’s actually a good learning moment for her, she can do anything the boys are doing and better! My dd is one of only a handful of women to do her job and loves it, girls really do have it all now, don’t let her be put off

DelurkingAJ · 04/09/2025 16:31

I went from a girls’ school to a mainly boys sixth form and was the only girl in my further maths set. I wasn’t best impressed but after a bit of initial discomfort made a lot of friends because I didn’t have to default to working with the other girl in the set (had there been two of us) when we were talking through problems in pairs. Far worse, I think, would have been just one other girl as I would have been forced to buddy up regardless of whether we were actually friends.

CatChant · 04/09/2025 16:27

I took one of my A levels at a nearby boys’ school over forty years ago. All male class and a male teacher. It was either that or choose a different A level. It wasn’t a problem at all. In fact, as I was at an all girls school it was probably a very good preparation for university.

ThanksItHasPockets · 04/09/2025 16:24

I can understand why it would potentially be an issue and you are right to acknowledge this with DD.

I think as a general rule, confidence and resilience are traits that we all have to develop to some extent or another and they usually come from pushing ourselves a little out of our usual comfort zones. This absolutely isn't to say that she should be forced to stay in an environment where she feels unsafe.

It might be worth a conversation with the head of 6th form and the timetable to understand exactly what the changes would look like if she decided to move groups. If it were my daughter I would personally encourage her to give it a good go but make it clear that the option to change remains open. Sometimes all we need to push through an unfamiliar situation is the knowledge that we can leave it if we really want to.

Foxesandsquirrels · 04/09/2025 16:22

If she's studying physics and plans to pursue a stem career, she's likely going to be in male dominated spaces her whole working life.
If she can learn to speak up and collaborate in that all boys environment, esp Physics A Level, she won't be as intimidated by those male dominated spaces later on in life. It's a really good thing long term.

sugarapplelane · 04/09/2025 16:17

Coldddddd · 04/09/2025 14:15

Not sure if this is the right place but I'm looking forward opinions please. DD started 6th form yesterday and found in Physics she's the only female with 14 males and a male teacher. She's quite upset about this, she gets on fine with boys, no past trauma or anything like that. But she feels uncomfortable.

She had her 1st lesson this morning and was told she can swap to a different group (there are plenty of girls in the school doing physics), but doing so means she has to move groups in all her other subjects which she's currently happy with. The teacher broached this with her directly so they obviously recognise it's a potential problem for her.

I just wondered what other people's thoughts were, do you think I should advise her to stay or move groups? Is her learning outcome likely to be impacted by being with all males? Sorry if this seems like a non issue, DD is really quite upset and I'm not sure what to say for the best.

My friend was the only girl in her physics class years ago. She loved it. The boys were a nice bunch, not laddy or disrespectful and they all got on well.

My DD was only 1 of 3 girls in her A level physics class but spent most of the time chatting to the boys who were more on her wavelength. She’s going on to study Astrophysics at University where again she’ll be in the minority.

It really is a non issue. Physics boys are normally kind and nice. She’ll be fine

RoverReturn · 04/09/2025 16:04

If its any consolation, and if your dd wants to continue with physics, dd did a physics degree recently and there was about 30% female on the course.

This did quite surprise me.

TonTonMacoute · 04/09/2025 15:59

Coldddddd · 04/09/2025 14:54

Thanks for the replies, interesting to see different perspectives. I just don't want to dismiss DDs feelings or say something that leads her to believe she should suppress a concern. I also don't want her to maybe not reach her potential because she felt (irrationally or not) intimidated by the environment. But on the flip side, she may really enjoy it and thrive if she gives it a go.

I think this.

She will soon get to know everyone better and feel more relaxed. Dealing with this will set her up for future surprises.

spoonbillstretford · 04/09/2025 15:56

I personally think the school should have had a better balance in each class if there are more girls doing it. I'd see how she gets on though. DDs have been the only girl going to football club sometimes and DD1 was certainly in a minority doing product design A-Level, but did well.

Though having come from a super-selective all girls grammar to a slightly more standard mixed grammar (choosing to do A-Levels instead of IB) she was incredulous in the first couple of weeks "Boys come out with some really stupid things. You'll never guess what X said today..." 😆

Bit of an eye-opener!

MaggieBsBoat · 04/09/2025 15:48

She needs to up her resilience. Seriously. All things being equal (so no trauma etc) her learning environment should be able to encompass both sexes without issue. She’s using her brain as are they and if she wants to continue with physics or end up working in science then she will be working with a lot of men.
I work with physicists and mentor them and the best ones I know currently are women and they have learnt to stand their ground and be the best at what they do. Regardless of their sex. Your daughter should start now and you should be encouraging her.

BauhausOfEliott · 04/09/2025 15:45

She only started yesterday, and I don't think you should be encouraging her to act on what's essentially a kneejerk reaction with no real rationale behind it.

There is every chance that at some point in life she will be the only woman on a team at work or whatever, especially if she ends up working in a physics-related field. If there is no reason for wanting to move classes other than 'a feeling' about it, then I think you should strongly encourage her to stick at it - one day really isn't long enough for her to have decided she doesn't like it.

Coldddddd · 04/09/2025 15:44

Wow, this is more polarising than I thought. Thank you all, especially @pookahchoo for the links I'll take a look later.

I'll chat through with DD later, my current plan is to reassure her she can stick or switch but probably encourage her to have a try where she is.

FWIW I think those that see no issue for her are lucky to be so confident. Confidence isn't a trait DD has much of unfortunately.

And to the poster who mentions it's not a social occasion, I think you're missing the point.

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3pears · 04/09/2025 15:44

I was the only girl in my maths class in A level. It made no difference at all. Why is she upset by it? It’s only the class, she can just meet her friends after for lunch etc?

my daughter currently does a sport where she is the only girl and the other 35 are boys. Makes no difference really.

Marylou2 · 04/09/2025 15:43

DD was the only girl in her Computer Science class. I think it entirely depends on your daughter and her personality. DD thrives in a mainly male environment with banter and competition. She has a big group of friends/majority boys many that she's known since she was in nursery. She's going to Cambridge to do comp Sci so will again be in a small minority of females. Your DD needs to be where she feels most comfortable and supported and only she can decide.

arcticpandas · 04/09/2025 15:41

Happened to my DS at a hobby once. I told him that girls are human beings- some you will like and some you won't. He made two really good friends there.

@Coldddddd If I were you I would say the same to my daughter. Doesn't she have any male friends? If I was to only describe my DS's character ; sensible, kind, creative most people would think he's a girl. I wish we had gotten further than this in 2025. And also, they all have a common interest in Physics so why not focus on that?

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