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Leaving private school for state 6th form - experiences?

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WomensRightsRenegade · 20/07/2025 20:47

I did ask this once before but it was quite a while ago now so I was just wondering if this was something more people were doing/ thinking about doing?

Thanks to the VAT increase my son had his bursary halved (from 100pc) and it looks like it’s about to be reduced further or removed. I guess they have no need to rush confirmation seeing as they will know parents will do almost anything to avoid moving schools for year 11. It’s all been quite nasty really. Seeing behind the gloss and the taglines about how they care for the boys like family has been illuminating.

Anyhow DS is utterly heartbroken at having to leave when he is so happy. He is very talented musically and was so looking forward to continuing in the ensembles and taking Music A level there. It’s going to be an agonising last year as he can’t even let anyone know he’s leaving until April. No local sixth forms to us even offer Music A level and the nearest college is a lottery system.

Are other people facing having to remove kids against the child’s will? I am so worried he will always think we could have found a way, even though he’s said nothing to us except that he understands the situation totally. Academically I’m sure he’ll be fine if he works hard, but socially and musically it feels like it could be a very abrupt end. If I could go back in time I would never EVER have accepted the bursary. This was always the risk.

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Muchtoomuchtodo · 21/07/2025 12:09

Does he know what he’s interested in at university? Be aware that if he drops music at A level, and just does maths, FM and physics some universities see that as a very narrow range of A levels and it could restrict his choice of degree courses. LSE is one example.

Baninarama · 21/07/2025 12:09

Also, IB courses contain a music element - it may be worth looking at colleges that offer this.

Baninarama · 21/07/2025 12:08

Find a music teacher that can teach him the ARSM diploma for post-grade 8. It's University level and is well looked upon. Also gives extra UCAS points, should he need them.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 21/07/2025 12:06

Which direction from London? Would Kent grammars be an option? They tend to have very large areas they accept students from if he can get good grades at GCSE.

RandomMess · 21/07/2025 12:00

What about boarding at Christs Hospital, ticks the music box and everyone pays means tested fees and the criteria is very transparent as to what you would have to pay?

NormaMajors1992coat · 21/07/2025 11:59

NB you’re right that he would need music for the Tonmeister course though (and a plan B as it’s quite competitive!)

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 11:58

hellowembley · 21/07/2025 08:43

After 5 years of private school for free, you could find a way to pay for the final two! The school aren’t being ‘nasty’ if they can’t afford bursaries any more

So because you can afford X, you can afford Y?
By that logic, if you can afford £150k for a house then you can afford £300k for a house.
1000s of parents are being priced out due to VAT, that should come as a shock to no-one yet seemingly it does 🙄

cwmflahwbml · 21/07/2025 11:58

Does he want to study music at university?
If he doesn't, he doesn't need to do A-level music.
Even if he does decide he wants to study music there might be some places he could study without doing A-level music if he has ABRSM grades (including theory). Has he done grade 8 theory? Or some places might offer a foundation year? I'm out of the loop as I've been out of the UK for a long time now.

It's a shame he will miss out on the school music opportunities but see this as a way for him to discover new opportunities outside of school in the wider music community in the local area.
I did A-levels in science and didn't want to study music but I was very good in two instruments. By the time I got to sixth form I was bored with the opportunities on offer in school. I wanted to play more advanced repertoire with people who were better than me so I could learn from them. A friend got me involved in theatre productions at the local university and I loved that (and ended up doing it for years even though I had another career at that point). I also played in local churches and community orchestras. It did me the world of good to learn from older, more experienced players.
I went to university and studied chemistry. I had a fantastic musical life there. I was in the university orchestra which was ca. 95% music students. We played all kinds of challenging repertoire. I had my own string quartet and we did various gigs and made a decent amount of money which is always helpful at uni. I continued to play in churches and also in the orchestra pit for various theatrical productions.

Through various twists and turns I have ended up as a freelance musician and church organist. No A-level music and a chemistry degree!!

That's a lot about me, but I hope you can see that all is not lost if he goes somewhere else and can't do A-level music or if there aren't the opportunities for him within the school. Concentrate on finding a good state school for the Maths and Physics and then look outside of the school for musical opportunities.

Mirabai · 21/07/2025 11:58

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:52

Outer London. I have to admit I haven’t looked at places much further out but maybe he can travel

Oh well if you’re in Outer London there are loads of youth orchestras around, even the National and there will be loads of teachers who can teach in music A Level outside school. I can put you in touch. He can also do music college on Saturdays.

I thought you just be in the deepest countryside somewhere.

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:56

Octavia64 · 21/07/2025 10:37

A level music is generally a nice to have rather than a requirement.

if your son is looking at a performance degree in music (ram or similar) it’s pretty much by audition.
academic music degrees also do not necessarily require it.

depending on what instrument he plays there will be ensembles available through the county music service - most offer multiple orchestras and wind bands or similars,

if he plays a brass instrument or percussion there are many many brass bands in the country that would welcome him with open arms - we’ve just recruited a couple of 16 year olds to ours.

if he’s a singer then church/cathedral choirs are always looking for men as are frankly any other choir.

there’s also summer and Easter residentials for most instruments - my DD did national youth choir (singing) who have summer and Easter courses (you need to audition) there’s also national youth orchestra, national youth brass band etc. both my kids did this type of thing and they really enjoyed it and it really developed them as musicians.

(it also convinced one of them she never wanted to be a professional musician as it was way too hard work!!)

music is actually one of the things you really can pursue to a very very high level outside school.

focus on getting him into a good place to do the maths, FM and physics and look for music opportunities outside school. There will be many.

This is incredibly helpful, thank you

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:55

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 21/07/2025 09:32

You must live in a particularly poor place for state provision if there’s no state A level music option in commutable distance from your home. Roughly where in the country are you? Do you have family who live nearer to a decent 6th form who’d be happy to have DS move in for term time? Could you move? It’s very unusual to not offer music A level in this county (for those offering A levels, not all do).

If you can’t afford private you can’t afford it, but don’t give up on music A level if that’s his strongest subject.

To be fair we haven’t looked at places with a long commute. We are in a bit of a black spot despite not being far from London. But probably time to look at places further out.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:54

Muchtoomuchtodo · 21/07/2025 08:52

Have you had meetings with the head teacher and bursar and been told 100% that they will not continue to support him? That seems off if he really is so exceptional and pivotal to the music for.

He could do his A level choices at our state school in South Wales, however it’s a Welsh medium comp! I really don’t think it’s unusual for these courses to be offered. Have you looked into all of your local options? Some of my friends’ kids are leaving private at sixth form simply because the private school is too small to offer the range of courses that local
schools and colleges do. Many places need applications in fairly early (before Christmas) so you really do need to get onto this. For alternative music, especially high level ensembles, have a look at what your local county music service offer. You might be surprised - there are plenty of talented musicians who your DS won’t have had the opportunity to play with if he’s just been in school ensembles so far.

What @JustMarriedBecca says about universities isn’t quite right. Many, but definitely not all, offer contextual offers but they’re certainly not just based on where pupils have taken their A levels.

Requests to speak to the bursar have been ignored and I doubt the Head would speak to us about it at this point. Have been told the decision is final

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GleefulGiraffe · 21/07/2025 11:52

As well as National Youth Orchestra, Opera North also has a youth orchestra if that's more your area of the country. There are definitely lots of options out there for continuing the music. I know several state educated kids who are doing brilliant musical things without a school orchestra. Brass bands if he plays a brass instrument are definitely something to look at.

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:52

CurlewKate · 21/07/2025 09:10

Incidentally- the people who move their kids from private to state to try to game the system? Morally questionaable-and Universities are on to you. @WomensRightsRenegade are you still around? If so-would you be prepared to say where in the country you are? There are state schools that tick your boxes, but no use naming them if they are a million miles away
from you.

Outer London. I have to admit I haven’t looked at places much further out but maybe he can travel

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:50

senua · 21/07/2025 08:53

He is academic too, and wants to do maths, further maths and physics alongside music
What is the long-term plan? I get that he loves his music but if his career is going to be the maths/physics route then he needs to major on that.
It's hard but it's part of growing up and being an adult: knowing that you can have it / do it all, and that you need to prioritise.

Music can be very time-consuming. In sixth form will it be time well-spent, or should he be concentrating on his academics and making new friends in his new setting?

Yes you’re right. Unless he’s going to do music at uni then the focus needs to be more on STEM. Although he does hanker after the Tonmeister degree, which requires music, maths and physics! Am hoping either way we can find opportunities for music outside school.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:48

Octavia64 · 21/07/2025 11:43

If you are prepared to post the instrument(s) and roughly where you are in the country I’m sure people can suggest ensembles.

i’m sorry he is having to leave. It does sound very difficult.

as the college is lottery you might as well apply and then if he gets it it’s a bonus.

Thank you so much. Yes, possible ways forward are coming into focus as the shock lessens a bit. There are definitely possible options. The grammar will require an academic reference in the autumn so I guess us planning to leave will be pretty apparent. They can start edging him out of the ensembles early! Maybe he can even train his successor…

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Mirabai · 21/07/2025 11:47

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:38

Thanks for the recommendations - will look into those. There really is nowhere near here that has a good music department - or even offers music A level - except the local college and there’s a super selective grammar which again can’t be guaranteed

I’d contact the super selective asap. That would be ideal.

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:46

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 11:41

The initial switch is scary, but especially in those STEM classes (my DS is same), the kids tend to be shyer and bright anyway and not loud bullying sorts. He'll find his people, and so much of those A-levels is head down studying that when you factor in your DS's music activities too, there's precious little time for social dramas. This is the worst bit worrying about it but he sounds great and will keep on exceeding expectations.

Thank you so much. People being kind is what I needed today. I know it can seem like a first world problem (!) but in the context of DS and what he’s already had to cope with in his life it’s really hard. And still such a shock. That will pass, I know x

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:43

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 11:34

I hear your anger and you're entitled to it, but they must have been very good for you to have believed they cared so much for all these years, given that the bottom line is that they are businesses and of course there's a hard edge to it, but that doesn't make the whole thing bollocks. That's like rewriting a whole marriage because of the break up. From here, it sounds like they stepped in when your DS really needed it and have helped to turn him from that boy you describe being bullied at primary into this incredible high-flying academic and artistic young man, with what sounds like £150k of bursaries. Whatever way you slice it, that is not a bad deal, and however rough it feels right now, I'm sure he'll find a place easily for those three STEM subjects and do any number of the great music options outside of Sixth Form that PPs have suggested. Or he may yet get a lottery place for the college and be able to do it all there.

We had to go through 4 different Sixth Form options when three turned out to be fibbing about their ability to run a subject. It's bumpy and would've been much nicer for him to stay with his mates in his old school, but it's made him more independent and capable and I know he'll be better at coping with the shift to uni as a result. Sure yours will be the same when you're past this initial hurdle.

Yes you’re right that it might make DS more resilient and be a better stepping stone for uni life.

I’m very grateful for the bursary they offered, but to pull it later on for no clear reason is incredibly cruel. There is no option for appeal, or even discussion. The door slams shut. This is real kids’ lives they’re dealing with, and even some sort of commiseration eg ‘we have valued X’s contribution, but unfortunately…’ or some similar humanising touch, would really have helped. As it is we’re being made to feel like we’ve done something wrong

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Octavia64 · 21/07/2025 11:43

If you are prepared to post the instrument(s) and roughly where you are in the country I’m sure people can suggest ensembles.

i’m sorry he is having to leave. It does sound very difficult.

as the college is lottery you might as well apply and then if he gets it it’s a bonus.

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 11:43

Do try for the super-selective grammar that you just mentioned though. None of these things are guaranteed but he sounds like he'd be in with a decent chance. That plus the lottery college are two shots, then a local sixth form for the STEM plus music options out of school... it's not shaping up too badly.

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 11:41

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:35

Thank you for this - both kind and helpful. I really appreciate it. You’re right that sixth form flies by. And local friends could be a blessing. But turning up knowing no-one at a sixth form where most have come up from the school is going to be tough for a shy kid, especially once he’s known as a private school kid! The ex private school kids in my daughter’s sixth form did come in for a lot of teasing; but they tended to be the super confident kids who’d chosen to leave the private school bubble

Hopefully he’ll be just fine and be able to find music opportunities out of school.

The initial switch is scary, but especially in those STEM classes (my DS is same), the kids tend to be shyer and bright anyway and not loud bullying sorts. He'll find his people, and so much of those A-levels is head down studying that when you factor in your DS's music activities too, there's precious little time for social dramas. This is the worst bit worrying about it but he sounds great and will keep on exceeding expectations.

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:40

thebigyearahead · 21/07/2025 08:00

I’ve had a very musical child at state school, who did A levels in Maths, Further Maths and Physics. He’s now just done his first year at Uni doing Engineering and is playing in the Uni ensembles (and loves it). There are great state schools out there where your DS will fit in fine, with excellent music departments. The state schools music departments are as good as the highly regarded private schools in our town (if not better), with County ensembles opportunities too.
You might need a house move OP. Rent your house out and rent near a good state school for 2 years??

House move not an option, sadly, as lots of adaptations for our other, severely disabled, son. It’s great to hear your son has found a thriving musical scene at uni. That’s something else to hold onto! And not that long now in the scheme of things..

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eedie135 · 21/07/2025 11:39

The London music colleges, Birmingham conservatoire, RNCM etc do Saturdays for under 18s. This is what I would do in your shoes. My two both went to state for 6th form after doing years 7 to 11 in private. They went to different places for 6th form and I’ve been impressed with both. State schools are a hell of a lot better than when I was at school

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:38

User2346 · 21/07/2025 08:18

Loads of young people leave Indies to go to state 6th form especially around Cambridge and certainly in my area. As there is usually a wider catchment I find in hard to believe you don’t have one with a good music department within reasonable distance. I understand that it’s harsh now but realistically he will have to move on after 6th form anyway so often it doesn’t hurt to get used to change. I agree with looking at state boarding option. Hockerill for example has a phenomenal music department and if you live near enough offer flexi boarding.

Thanks for the recommendations - will look into those. There really is nowhere near here that has a good music department - or even offers music A level - except the local college and there’s a super selective grammar which again can’t be guaranteed

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