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Leaving private school for state 6th form - experiences?

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WomensRightsRenegade · 20/07/2025 20:47

I did ask this once before but it was quite a while ago now so I was just wondering if this was something more people were doing/ thinking about doing?

Thanks to the VAT increase my son had his bursary halved (from 100pc) and it looks like it’s about to be reduced further or removed. I guess they have no need to rush confirmation seeing as they will know parents will do almost anything to avoid moving schools for year 11. It’s all been quite nasty really. Seeing behind the gloss and the taglines about how they care for the boys like family has been illuminating.

Anyhow DS is utterly heartbroken at having to leave when he is so happy. He is very talented musically and was so looking forward to continuing in the ensembles and taking Music A level there. It’s going to be an agonising last year as he can’t even let anyone know he’s leaving until April. No local sixth forms to us even offer Music A level and the nearest college is a lottery system.

Are other people facing having to remove kids against the child’s will? I am so worried he will always think we could have found a way, even though he’s said nothing to us except that he understands the situation totally. Academically I’m sure he’ll be fine if he works hard, but socially and musically it feels like it could be a very abrupt end. If I could go back in time I would never EVER have accepted the bursary. This was always the risk.

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twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 12:32

User2346 · 24/07/2025 12:31

Don’t I am truly scared of what is going to happen but that is another thread 😢

Even the unions are starting to express concerns. Although it's partly their fault in the first place!!

User2346 · 24/07/2025 12:31

Don’t I am truly scared of what is going to happen but that is another thread 😢

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 12:24

Don't worry, CurlewKate will find some way to spin that as a positive 🙄 Labour die hards do a great job in gaslighting.

CurlewKate · 24/07/2025 10:39

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 24/07/2025 10:34

Never said anything about policy. It’s a mindset. And it’s an ugly nasty mindset. I’m glad I don’t live in it. Though pissed off we all have to live with it. For now.

Yep. Sure.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 24/07/2025 10:34

CurlewKate · 24/07/2025 09:02

Pretty sure it’s not Labour policy that private school candidates should pay overseas student university fees.
Just because somebody says something you disagree with doesn’t mean it’s Labour policy!

Never said anything about policy. It’s a mindset. And it’s an ugly nasty mindset. I’m glad I don’t live in it. Though pissed off we all have to live with it. For now.

EasternStandard · 24/07/2025 10:29

CurlewKate · 24/07/2025 09:02

Pretty sure it’s not Labour policy that private school candidates should pay overseas student university fees.
Just because somebody says something you disagree with doesn’t mean it’s Labour policy!

Labour policy is more about impacting bursary kids, such as op’s.

CurlewKate · 24/07/2025 09:02

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 19:11

The bitterness knows no bounds Chez Labour

Pretty sure it’s not Labour policy that private school candidates should pay overseas student university fees.
Just because somebody says something you disagree with doesn’t mean it’s Labour policy!

Araminta1003 · 23/07/2025 19:53

The country is already an unproductive mess. I doubt disincentivising those who work hard and pay a lot of tax even more will lead to more money. It typically leads to people working less, taking more up in terms of services or leaving the country. We are already at that unproductive point. When you remove educational choices for the hard working and ambitious, it costs us all dearly. London housing market is crashing, the pound is already in decline. Let’s mess it up even more, shall we? I don’t think so. Sounds more like some unwelcome visitors to the site, yet again, who actually want to harm our country.

MonGrainDeSel · 23/07/2025 19:13

Oh, I see, sorry, she was suggesting they should? That seems pretty odd. What about the kids who finished private school without their bursaries being taken away?

EasternStandard · 23/07/2025 19:13

LiterallyMelting · 23/07/2025 18:30

My answer will be private school pupils also pay full fee like overseas students. Simples.

You want some U.K. students to pay much more? It’s just so much taking at this point. Can you not offer to stump up more if that’s what you’re after.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 19:11

twistyizzy · 23/07/2025 19:10

So kids from independent schools should pay same price as overseas students? Even though they are UK citizens? Wow, just wow. You are saddling them with double the debt of an average UK resident student just because of a choice their parents made?

The bitterness knows no bounds Chez Labour

twistyizzy · 23/07/2025 19:10

LiterallyMelting · 23/07/2025 18:30

My answer will be private school pupils also pay full fee like overseas students. Simples.

So kids from independent schools should pay same price as overseas students? Even though they are UK citizens? Wow, just wow. You are saddling them with double the debt of an average UK resident student just because of a choice their parents made?

MonGrainDeSel · 23/07/2025 19:03

LiterallyMelting · 23/07/2025 18:30

My answer will be private school pupils also pay full fee like overseas students. Simples.

No, they don't. Overseas students pay higher fees than UK students.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 18:35

LiterallyMelting · 23/07/2025 18:30

My answer will be private school pupils also pay full fee like overseas students. Simples.

? My point was about offers made. Simple.

LiterallyMelting · 23/07/2025 18:30

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 16:26

The hilarious thing is that unis are falling over themselves to make offers to foreign students, who pay much higher fees.

Do any of the ‘private school parents are bad’ mafia give a shit about that? Are they campaigning to stop those rich foreign students from their significant % of uni places?

*It's ok we know the answer.

My answer will be private school pupils also pay full fee like overseas students. Simples.

Araminta1003 · 23/07/2025 18:06

Just a contractual point though, surely they have to give you a full term’s notice (at least) before reducing your bursary. They have changed the fee structure. Or are they arguing that they can do it whenever because you wouldn’t be held to notice periods? It seems very fishy.

Araminta1003 · 23/07/2025 17:31

MPs taking my taxes! I do not think so. They go to HMRC. Unless you know something I do not know!

Plus loads of people are using tutors now to up grades, to the point you simply cannot judge on school attended anymore anyway.

And there are lots of very expensive houses in East London anyway. How ridiculous! If the unis wanted to make a real difference they could go on school recommendation instead of straight grades. Schools know their pupils best.

555Stars · 23/07/2025 17:24

Araminta1003 · 23/07/2025 16:19

“Let’s not pretend that most of this info cannot be easily sourced! Uni’s will ask for G.C.S.E’s results and from what school/type. They’ll also have your home address…so if they choose to deep dive on their selection of candidates then they will & will make judgements based on what they have.
Their aim is to see who is the most resilient and who will thrive considering their academic path to date. All whilst filling their diversity quota!”

@555Stars - are you suggesting university admissions staff should start stalking people’s home addresses on sold house prices on right move? Commi style? All rich excluded from higher tier uni education?

Completely laughable, especially given that most unis send begging letters to be remembered in rich people’s wills. It is just really quite naive.
They tickbox to the extent they are required to. Just like everyone else. So give them have a chance to tickbox, they do it. It is precisely why people can game the system. If you call it that. But why exactly should those who paid the most tax have their kids excluded in the first place? Does not really make sense.

I never said they should! I said that they can IF they choose to (see image attached!)
Using your e.g-If they’re whittling down then can easily differentiate between a home in Mayfair and one from East London…it’s not that difficult, so ease up on your sarcasm! A grade 9 from an Independent and a 9 from a state school- they’d likely prefer the State as it shows more resilience. Either way it will always come down to the grades achieved as everyone can get a loan to fund the fees!

The only thing that is laughable is your response. Please don’t respond back unless you can post without sarcasm or rudeness. Just so we’re clear, you don’t work for any university nor do you represent any!

Finally, I would suggest you talk w your MP abt your taxes if you are this unhappy & not to mums on the internet- they’re the ones that take most of it after all!

Leaving private school for state 6th form - experiences?
Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 16:26

The hilarious thing is that unis are falling over themselves to make offers to foreign students, who pay much higher fees.

Do any of the ‘private school parents are bad’ mafia give a shit about that? Are they campaigning to stop those rich foreign students from their significant % of uni places?

*It's ok we know the answer.

Araminta1003 · 23/07/2025 16:19

“Let’s not pretend that most of this info cannot be easily sourced! Uni’s will ask for G.C.S.E’s results and from what school/type. They’ll also have your home address…so if they choose to deep dive on their selection of candidates then they will & will make judgements based on what they have.
Their aim is to see who is the most resilient and who will thrive considering their academic path to date. All whilst filling their diversity quota!”

@555Stars - are you suggesting university admissions staff should start stalking people’s home addresses on sold house prices on right move? Commi style? All rich excluded from higher tier uni education?

Completely laughable, especially given that most unis send begging letters to be remembered in rich people’s wills. It is just really quite naive.
They tickbox to the extent they are required to. Just like everyone else. So give them have a chance to tickbox, they do it. It is precisely why people can game the system. If you call it that. But why exactly should those who paid the most tax have their kids excluded in the first place? Does not really make sense.

clary · 23/07/2025 16:12

nearlylovemyusername · 23/07/2025 15:29

Will @WomensRightsRenegade share which year her son is about to start?

I have read it as he is finishing year 10 rn and his bursary has been halved, to 50%, for year 11.

The op is concerned, or has actually been told, that it will be zero from year 12. Have I got that right @WomensRightsRenegade ?

Just to add to the excellent advice here, music ensembles at a high level are offered at uni, and not just to music students. Dd had very positive discussions at Birmingham and Warwick (which doesn’t even offer a music degree!)

nearlylovemyusername · 23/07/2025 15:29

Will @WomensRightsRenegade share which year her son is about to start?

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 23/07/2025 15:23

ThisTicklishFatball · 23/07/2025 15:20

I've already shared my thoughts in this thread with the OP.

A few people here might get upset with me. My DC attended prep schools until the age of 13 before moving on to state schools, and I’m also paying for online schooling and tutors for them, which are much more affordable than independent school fees. I’ll definitely take advantage of any loopholes and benefits available for state school pupils, no doubt about that.

It’s common for people identifying as state school parents to join these discussions and criticize those who opt out of the state system, often taking it as a personal slight. They seem to forget that private school parents also pay taxes, part of which funds state schools. While they may not do so willingly, they accept it as a civic responsibility. If given the option to stop contributing to state schools, many parents of privately educated children would likely take it. There’s an excessive amount of hostility directed at them for not using the very state schools they help support financially. And if they attend a state school for sixth form, they face even more criticism for supposedly taking away the opportunities for a good life from those who have attended state schools from the beginning.

Stop clouding the issue with facts @ThisTicklishFatball !!

twistyizzy · 23/07/2025 15:21

ThisTicklishFatball · 23/07/2025 15:20

I've already shared my thoughts in this thread with the OP.

A few people here might get upset with me. My DC attended prep schools until the age of 13 before moving on to state schools, and I’m also paying for online schooling and tutors for them, which are much more affordable than independent school fees. I’ll definitely take advantage of any loopholes and benefits available for state school pupils, no doubt about that.

It’s common for people identifying as state school parents to join these discussions and criticize those who opt out of the state system, often taking it as a personal slight. They seem to forget that private school parents also pay taxes, part of which funds state schools. While they may not do so willingly, they accept it as a civic responsibility. If given the option to stop contributing to state schools, many parents of privately educated children would likely take it. There’s an excessive amount of hostility directed at them for not using the very state schools they help support financially. And if they attend a state school for sixth form, they face even more criticism for supposedly taking away the opportunities for a good life from those who have attended state schools from the beginning.

👏👏 well said