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Leaving private school for state 6th form - experiences?

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WomensRightsRenegade · 20/07/2025 20:47

I did ask this once before but it was quite a while ago now so I was just wondering if this was something more people were doing/ thinking about doing?

Thanks to the VAT increase my son had his bursary halved (from 100pc) and it looks like it’s about to be reduced further or removed. I guess they have no need to rush confirmation seeing as they will know parents will do almost anything to avoid moving schools for year 11. It’s all been quite nasty really. Seeing behind the gloss and the taglines about how they care for the boys like family has been illuminating.

Anyhow DS is utterly heartbroken at having to leave when he is so happy. He is very talented musically and was so looking forward to continuing in the ensembles and taking Music A level there. It’s going to be an agonising last year as he can’t even let anyone know he’s leaving until April. No local sixth forms to us even offer Music A level and the nearest college is a lottery system.

Are other people facing having to remove kids against the child’s will? I am so worried he will always think we could have found a way, even though he’s said nothing to us except that he understands the situation totally. Academically I’m sure he’ll be fine if he works hard, but socially and musically it feels like it could be a very abrupt end. If I could go back in time I would never EVER have accepted the bursary. This was always the risk.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:35

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 08:51

No need to regret ever taking the bursary - he’s had all the benefits of £££££ secondary education and sounds like he’s thrived on it. Changing at sixth form isn’t unusual - my (state) DS had to hunt around for a sixth form with the subject he needed due to lack of teachers. He ended up going somewhere he knew no one and it doesn’t have a good rep but in fact it’s been good and not an issue. A-levels are so full on and fly by so fast, he just needs a place that does his subjects and it’s no bad thing to adjust from the private bubble and find that he’s fine without all those advantages. Although it sounds like there’s lots of private/boarding possibilities to try too. I get that it’s a shock but that doesn’t diminish the good fortune he’s had so far and all the doors it will open in his future.

Thank you for this - both kind and helpful. I really appreciate it. You’re right that sixth form flies by. And local friends could be a blessing. But turning up knowing no-one at a sixth form where most have come up from the school is going to be tough for a shy kid, especially once he’s known as a private school kid! The ex private school kids in my daughter’s sixth form did come in for a lot of teasing; but they tended to be the super confident kids who’d chosen to leave the private school bubble

Hopefully he’ll be just fine and be able to find music opportunities out of school.

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pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 11:34

I hear your anger and you're entitled to it, but they must have been very good for you to have believed they cared so much for all these years, given that the bottom line is that they are businesses and of course there's a hard edge to it, but that doesn't make the whole thing bollocks. That's like rewriting a whole marriage because of the break up. From here, it sounds like they stepped in when your DS really needed it and have helped to turn him from that boy you describe being bullied at primary into this incredible high-flying academic and artistic young man, with what sounds like £150k of bursaries. Whatever way you slice it, that is not a bad deal, and however rough it feels right now, I'm sure he'll find a place easily for those three STEM subjects and do any number of the great music options outside of Sixth Form that PPs have suggested. Or he may yet get a lottery place for the college and be able to do it all there.

We had to go through 4 different Sixth Form options when three turned out to be fibbing about their ability to run a subject. It's bumpy and would've been much nicer for him to stay with his mates in his old school, but it's made him more independent and capable and I know he'll be better at coping with the shift to uni as a result. Sure yours will be the same when you're past this initial hurdle.

Mirabai · 21/07/2025 11:32

I think you can be straight up that if there’s any likelihood of being refused the bursary in yr 12, given what DS has been through, you’d have to decline. It would be very tough on any kid to be declined midway through A level. I’m sure they would understand that.

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:31

WanderingWisteria · 21/07/2025 07:44

Has anything about your financial position changed since your DS started at the school? It seems unusual for there to be such a significant change without at least a meeting with the Bursar. Have you asked former a meeting with her/him, perhaps with the Head of Music in attendance too? One option you might be able to propose is a payment plan so that your son continues for the Sixth Form but you pay it off over four years or something. It would be unusual but it might be acceptable to them.
Otherwise, is it worth looking at one of the boarding schools which offer 100% bursaries? You may meet their criteria for fee support. If your son is as talented as he sounds, then music tuition may be included too.
However, it is worth bearing in mind that a lot of schools are having to cut costs at the moment and a lot of schools are functioning without a bassoon/double bass/French horn/tuba player, perhaps bringing in a local teacher and paying a session fee if one is really needed for a piece.

Thank you for this reply - nothing has changed except a 2pc pay rise last year! But when I protested it (very very politely!) and asked what the decision was based on I was stonewalled and any requests to speak to the bursar directly were ignored.

It’s slightly nauseating to talk about DS’s music as if I’m boasting - it’s really not like that, and obviously there is always someone better out there! It’s just that he has given everything to the music department, endless weekends supporting outreach, helping tutor younger ensembles etc etc. And hours after school all day to rehearse with ensembles. And then just constructively dismissed? It’s so callous.

You’re right re costs being cut in every school and every department though. Music teachers can always fill in when needed to cover gaps in ensembles. The main reason for all of this is undoubtedly the VAT.

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EssentialDecluttering · 21/07/2025 11:28

LiterallyMelting · 21/07/2025 10:30

I see someone just mentioned Peter Symonds. That's our local sixth form college. It's the one most of the kids in the area who want to do music goes.

It's the one I was thinking of too

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:26

OliRules · 21/07/2025 08:44

It is a nightmare for Bursary students in secondary as the means testing is done periodically in some of the top schools. The parents go through a lot of anxious moments throughout the schooling period. I would recommend in the first instance to apply to more private schools, alternatively try going to grammar, although in your case it might be late in case you have missed the grammar application timeline.

Thank you. I’m not sure I could deal with a private school again after seeing how callous they can be! The bollocks about caring for the child’s wellbeing has been exposed as just that! Means testing is done every year at this school - fair enough. But no explanation was ever given for halving the bursary when the only change was a 2pc pay rise

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Mirabai · 21/07/2025 11:26

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:23

Thank you for this - we have considered it, but to be honest I don’t think I am up to being potentially shafted by a school again. There would be a bursary reassessment in year 12 again and I would be on tenterhooks the whole year beforehand.

Where exactly is he musically OP? At what age did he do grade 8? Has he done junior college?

WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:24

POTC · 21/07/2025 00:29

I find it very hard to believe that there is no option for music at any local setting. We're in a rural backwater and yet all 3 of the nearest settings (one a school 6th form, one a 6th form college, one a college) offer music A-Level or equivalent.

As I said the local college does do Music but there is a lottery admissions process for any kids not at linked schools or with sibling links so it can’t be guaranteed

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:23

MsMarple · 21/07/2025 00:44

Whereabouts do you live OP? Maybe people might have suggestions?

No personal experience, but if music is his thing, would he get a scholarship somewhere else? My DC’s friend moved from a normal state comp to board at Purcell for 6th form and gets most fees paid through their bursaries. I know they are doing other A-Levels as well as music there: https://www.purcell-school.org/admissions/fees/

Thank you for this - we have considered it, but to be honest I don’t think I am up to being potentially shafted by a school again. There would be a bursary reassessment in year 12 again and I would be on tenterhooks the whole year beforehand.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:21

CurlewKate · 21/07/2025 07:32

Do you think that someone entitled to a full bursary would be in a position to take out a loan for 2 years private school feels?

Thank you. A loan for £30k per year is ever so slightly beyond our means lol.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 21/07/2025 11:20

Fordian · 21/07/2025 00:08

C’mon. Agonising? Heartbreaking? He’ll be fine. State sixth forms aren’t Columbian drug dens. He may even build some resilience? He can continue his music in and/or out of sixth form. He’ll be fine, if his parents don’t regard this change back into how 93% of the school populace advance through further education as a catastrophe.

It’s actually nothing to do with state sixth form so cool your jets. My other children went to state sixth form and did extremely well. It’s about being forced to leave somewhere you are very happy, especially when it’s a shock.

DS was offered a full bursary and after intense bullying at primary and worsening Tourette’s Syndrome/ tics we decided to take the offer up.

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PosiePerkinPootleFlump · 21/07/2025 11:15

Where do you live? Could he apply for the junior department at one of the conservatoires? They are on a Saturday and some pupils travel significant distances. There would be ensembles to play in as well as instrumental lessons

Advent0range · 21/07/2025 11:15

Oh sorry I quoted the wrong post! I meant Peter Symonds school in Winchester!

Advent0range · 21/07/2025 11:14

Astleyxyz · 21/07/2025 07:39

Lancaster Grammar is another state boarding that offers it

It also has a specialist music department. Worth looking into. Brand new music buildings with fully Steinway pianos, apparently.

JustMarriedBecca · 21/07/2025 11:05

Jamesblonde2 · 21/07/2025 09:35

But in 2024 Edinburgh still had intake 31% of students from private schools.

Not for law apparently.

SheilaFentiman · 21/07/2025 11:01

Just “going to state school” doesn’t result in a contextual offer - how could it, when the vast majority of pupils go to state school? It’s the kind of school (eg FSM percentage, how often they send kids to uni, deprivation of postcode etc) that may result in a contextual offer.

Octavia64 · 21/07/2025 10:37

A level music is generally a nice to have rather than a requirement.

if your son is looking at a performance degree in music (ram or similar) it’s pretty much by audition.
academic music degrees also do not necessarily require it.

depending on what instrument he plays there will be ensembles available through the county music service - most offer multiple orchestras and wind bands or similars,

if he plays a brass instrument or percussion there are many many brass bands in the country that would welcome him with open arms - we’ve just recruited a couple of 16 year olds to ours.

if he’s a singer then church/cathedral choirs are always looking for men as are frankly any other choir.

there’s also summer and Easter residentials for most instruments - my DD did national youth choir (singing) who have summer and Easter courses (you need to audition) there’s also national youth orchestra, national youth brass band etc. both my kids did this type of thing and they really enjoyed it and it really developed them as musicians.

(it also convinced one of them she never wanted to be a professional musician as it was way too hard work!!)

music is actually one of the things you really can pursue to a very very high level outside school.

focus on getting him into a good place to do the maths, FM and physics and look for music opportunities outside school. There will be many.

LiterallyMelting · 21/07/2025 10:33

I also know kids who travel to Royal Academy of Music in London in the weekend for lessons. I think it's this one https://www.ram.ac.uk/study/departments/junior-academy/course

My kids aren't going to do music at university so this is all info from listening to other parents in ensembles.

Junior Academy Course | Royal Academy of Music

The Junior Academy course inspires and challenges talented young musicians from all backgrounds.

https://www.ram.ac.uk/study/departments/junior-academy/course

BodenCardiganNot · 21/07/2025 10:32

@OneChicHazelHedgehog
It’s all been quite nasty really. Seeing behind the gloss and the taglines about how they care for the boys like family has been illuminating.

Sounds as if it's not just Labour that's the problem.

LiterallyMelting · 21/07/2025 10:30

I see someone just mentioned Peter Symonds. That's our local sixth form college. It's the one most of the kids in the area who want to do music goes.

LiterallyMelting · 21/07/2025 10:28

I see you have not said where you are in the country. Are you in an area with county music service? You mention 6th form so I assume you are in a sixth form college area. I find it hard you don't have one that does music. I went to DC county music concert and they have multiple state educated kids going to Guildhall school of music and Royal Northern College of Music. It's not true everywhere state school kids go nowhere with music. I admit it's not as good as private, but then nothing is.

Mirabai · 21/07/2025 10:27

Araminta1003 · 21/07/2025 10:24

Oh dear - I just checked and both Peter Symonds and Cranbrook are now around 20k a year to board! So not cheap at all. I guess that most be the actual cost of boarding then.

Idk about Peter Symonds but Cranbrook offers bursaries for its boarding fees.

Araminta1003 · 21/07/2025 10:24

Oh dear - I just checked and both Peter Symonds and Cranbrook are now around 20k a year to board! So not cheap at all. I guess that most be the actual cost of boarding then.

pinkdelight · 21/07/2025 10:18

However pivotal his instrument has been, they'd not have it for much longer anyway and were going to have to replace him, so with reduced funds anyway, they may well have calculated it's better to target them at new Y7s who will fill the gaps longer term. This change was coming and with tough choices to make, it makes sense for them to adjust to it now and know that your son has had a big boost from their support through secondary, and he's repaid it with his playing. The move to sixth form is a natural watershed for many students to switch education providers and while it's a shame when he wasn't wanting to move, it was always a possibility to be planned for. It's come as a shock, but you've got time to absorb that and reframe it and make the most of other possibilities. He sounds super smart and talented and will likely learn well wherever he lands.

Araminta1003 · 21/07/2025 10:18

Cranbrook is good and Kent County Council runs a good youth orchestra in the holidays at Benenden school I think. Which you can also get bursary funding for and is part funded by the Arts Council. There are things all over the country like this. There is of course also NYO for the very top musicians for Year 12 and 13.

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