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An inspector calls - does the suicide victim lack agency with her relationships with Eric and Gerald?

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mids2019 · 20/07/2025 09:02

My daughter has just read this play for GCSE and though it is a great morality lesson I did have questions about some of its relevance in 2025.

The suicide victim is definitely an innocent when it came to being fired for unionising and allegedly mocking a client in dress shop but with the interactions with Eric and Gerald I do question whether there is a slight misogyny or unnecessary vitimhood?

In both cases the victim engages with sexual activity with both men and one point of view is that the cut in has a choice in entering those relationships so does not have the same degree of powerlessness as in the sackings. I found it maybe a little derogatory that there is an implication that a woman reduced to poverty would naturally resort to comfort sex and relationships where she was undervalued. I personally found this quite strange as the victim initially was an incredibly strong beautiful woman who was prepared to lead courageously in strike action.

I can see perhaps the narrative is that the victim is systematically degraded by her experience with the Birlings and maybe she has reached a point of having reduced esteem but I do possinly.question whether the inference of 'young beautiful woman in the slide drinks and has one night stands' is a good one from a gender perspective.

What should a GCSE student under from the victims relationships ? My daughter for instance was wondering about the availability of contraception in the 1910s and whether in fact the audience were meant to sympathise with the victim in her choice of relationship as they were a result of her impoverished state and possibke.poor mental health.

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mids2019 · 27/07/2025 08:11

I prefer animal farm as it is pure allegory. There is no exploration of male pigs dominating female pigs so it removes the gender question from the overriding the of the elites oppressing the masses and the unchanging nature of human power and privilege (great stuff). Why not reach this?

an inspector calls brings in the addition of gender oppression which obviously was a fact of the 1910s but is a difficult theme with early teen boys and girls. There were boys in the class who apparently didn't see the actions of Gerald and Eric as that problematic (smirkingly suggesting those were the days). I guess there is an element of immaturity there with the class but it seems a teacher would be drawn into emphasising how wrong this societal position was.

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GrammarTeacher · 27/07/2025 08:04

Housewife2010 · 27/07/2025 07:59

Schools don't need to choose it. Our school studied Animal Farm instead. - same exam board.

But also a ridiculous option for a modern text. You’re right of course. But most departments are no longer given the choice. Parents prefer the option that there are the most resources for. We have a generation of teachers now who were probably taught it themselves and are now repeating it. It’s beyond time that we went back to the regular text rotations.

I don’t teach it. Of the 5 classes in my school, 2 do choose it. We are very unusual in giving staff a free choice.

Housewife2010 · 27/07/2025 07:59

GrammarTeacher · 20/07/2025 10:01

She didn’t have a choice. That’s the point. She is a victim. It’s not subtle. Her purpose in existence (if she is one person) is as a victim for the misogyny and class issues of the era.
It’s not great. They’ve run out of questions it needs at least some time off but the ruling has to come from above the boards. No one will drop it until they all have to for business reasons.

Schools don't need to choose it. Our school studied Animal Farm instead. - same exam board.

mids2019 · 27/07/2025 07:55

I am not an English teacher but female characters by George Eliot seem to be a bit deeper and complex than the ones in the texts my daughter has to read (Lady Macbeth excluded). I get that the oppression and ultimately cruel thoughtless destruction ruin of a young woman was important in an inspector calls but the women in the play are ultimately victims (though this a result of patriarchal oppression). I think it's a hard read for a 14 year old girl personally who is wrestling with their own sense of identity as a female. To my daughter part of the play is about how badly women can be treated and how make dominated the world was which is both shocking to her (quite rightly) but also a bit of a turn off as girls now are empowered to challenge gender oppression.

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GrammarTeacher · 27/07/2025 07:33

mids2019 · 27/07/2025 07:27

Lady Macbeth is an incredibly strong character but again doesn't Last Macbeth draw her strength from laying aside femininity (unsex me now......etc). I also feel the witches though obviously iconic within literature characterise old women as manipulative evil spinsters. The post menopausal hair growth (you have beards) would be a contemporary slur. Also Lady Macbeth though incredibly complex as a a character meets her death by suicide....so much female suicide in the syllabus!

I am not criticising the literature as such but making the point that there could be more balance and maybe more thought into getting some less tragic women to the forefront. (Not Tess of the Durbervilles then).

The men are tragic too in the Lit GCSE spec. Macbeth effectively gets Macduff to kill him, Romeo (well, that’s obvious), Jekyll is destroyed by himself, Eric sinks into destructive alcoholism from the very beginning of the play (seriously, he’s the one genuinely feeling guilt). The issue around sexism within the spec is the lack of women writers when the most popular board can find space for two novels by Dickens!
That board were also the last to work with Penguin on the Lit in Colour programme and to ‘improve diversity’ simply replaced three of the most ‘diverse’ texts with others.

There are serious issues with the texts chosen, but Priestley realistically representing the world of upper and working class women at the time is not the issue.

mids2019 · 27/07/2025 07:27

Lady Macbeth is an incredibly strong character but again doesn't Last Macbeth draw her strength from laying aside femininity (unsex me now......etc). I also feel the witches though obviously iconic within literature characterise old women as manipulative evil spinsters. The post menopausal hair growth (you have beards) would be a contemporary slur. Also Lady Macbeth though incredibly complex as a a character meets her death by suicide....so much female suicide in the syllabus!

I am not criticising the literature as such but making the point that there could be more balance and maybe more thought into getting some less tragic women to the forefront. (Not Tess of the Durbervilles then).

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Moglet4 · 26/07/2025 20:36

mids2019 · 23/07/2025 20:42

It's interesting that my daughter has 3 set texts, an inspector calls, Macbeth and a Christmas Carol.

I wonder if such a selection may not engage girls as strongly as other texts. As people have pointed out there is no particular strong woman role in an inspector calls and Lady Macbeth isn't exactly a role model (though very strong). A Christmas Carol doesn't really feature women as major characters (if I recall correctly).

Would it be good to include texts where women overcame adversity or had a more heroic role?

I do take the point about the darkness of the texts when we live in age of trigger warnings. Drinking bleach as a means of suicide to my mind is simply there for shock value and is quite gratuitous as surely hanging would be a more straightforward choice? Indeed the victim of an Inspector Calls sees no hope in life and decides to end it yet the play is fielded to a group of young teens who may have struggles of their own.

The bleach is meant to be symbolic

GrammarTeacher · 24/07/2025 09:49

mids2019 · 23/07/2025 20:42

It's interesting that my daughter has 3 set texts, an inspector calls, Macbeth and a Christmas Carol.

I wonder if such a selection may not engage girls as strongly as other texts. As people have pointed out there is no particular strong woman role in an inspector calls and Lady Macbeth isn't exactly a role model (though very strong). A Christmas Carol doesn't really feature women as major characters (if I recall correctly).

Would it be good to include texts where women overcame adversity or had a more heroic role?

I do take the point about the darkness of the texts when we live in age of trigger warnings. Drinking bleach as a means of suicide to my mind is simply there for shock value and is quite gratuitous as surely hanging would be a more straightforward choice? Indeed the victim of an Inspector Calls sees no hope in life and decides to end it yet the play is fielded to a group of young teens who may have struggles of their own.

There are options with stronger women (although Lady Macbeth is fab - women can be evil too you know).
Just as I don’t choose texts because they’re boy friendly there’s no such thing as girl friendly either (not all girls identify with Jane Austen characters).
The consumption of bleach instead of hanging is in keeping with methods chosen based on sex (where data exists). There’s an interesting sociological study by Durkheim.
The main issue is nothing will change until the exam boards are forced to. And schools are now scared of change. We used to rotate texts regularly that hasn’t happened in a long time. There are English departments who are unaware of this as they all qualified after. And in trusts where departments can’t choose what they teach there’s already been a major deskilling. I’ve been raising this as an issue for at least 5 years!

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 23/07/2025 21:02

Beloved was one of my A level Eng Lit texts, and has a very strong female lead, who overcomes extreme adversity - but is so bleak and dark that AIC is light-hearted social commentary by comparison.

mids2019 · 23/07/2025 20:42

It's interesting that my daughter has 3 set texts, an inspector calls, Macbeth and a Christmas Carol.

I wonder if such a selection may not engage girls as strongly as other texts. As people have pointed out there is no particular strong woman role in an inspector calls and Lady Macbeth isn't exactly a role model (though very strong). A Christmas Carol doesn't really feature women as major characters (if I recall correctly).

Would it be good to include texts where women overcame adversity or had a more heroic role?

I do take the point about the darkness of the texts when we live in age of trigger warnings. Drinking bleach as a means of suicide to my mind is simply there for shock value and is quite gratuitous as surely hanging would be a more straightforward choice? Indeed the victim of an Inspector Calls sees no hope in life and decides to end it yet the play is fielded to a group of young teens who may have struggles of their own.

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HollyGolightly4 · 23/07/2025 16:09

I thought for a minute you meant Reform the political party 🙈 end of term brain clearly still in motion!

GrammarTeacher · 23/07/2025 10:03

I’m waiting to hear the results of the curriculum review at the end of the year. If the timetable for reform makes it worthwhile I will switch to Leave Taking. It’s a great play.

crumpet · 23/07/2025 09:14

mids2019 · 20/07/2025 09:37

Sorry to the last post....I just think to the average 14 year old girl there are questions about why the victim did not reject Eric as unsuitable. Maybe there is this element of victimhood where the victim stays with a man out of desperation?.I fully agree that the victim may not be an example of strong womanhood which may have been the case of the play was written now. I do think it's a shock to see how casually the poor woman was treated. The outrage of the play in my opinion is more about class structure than gender politics (though I may be wrong).

One thing I do wonder is if the play replaces the victim with a young man's could you have the same narrative?

Part of the learning is to look at the play through the lens of the time that it was written. The choices women had available to them:

no benefits system
No nhs
no ability to take out a mortgage, open a bank balance etc
no birth control/abortion options etc etc

what choices might a young girl make against that backdrop?

HollyGolightly4 · 23/07/2025 09:08

Yeah that's fair @BlueEyedBogWitch but for example the Penguin Lit in Colour has supported schools by providing free texts for the entire cohort. I think sometimes cost is a convenient excuse too.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 23/07/2025 08:58

HollyGolightly4 · 23/07/2025 08:38

Leave Taking is a decent little addition to the texts, but most schools are frightened/too lazy/complacent to change texts.

I think ‘too skint’ comes into it, too.

HollyGolightly4 · 23/07/2025 08:38

Leave Taking is a decent little addition to the texts, but most schools are frightened/too lazy/complacent to change texts.

GrammarTeacher · 23/07/2025 08:22

@BlueEyedBogWitch - my favourite Shakespeare is Macbeth BUT after doing lots of student voice where the relentlessness cropped up I’ve changed my texts (we have free choice). I do Much Ado About Nothing (still lots of meaty discussions but also a lot of humour), A Taste of Honey (still dark, but again some humour and takes my middle class southern students out of their comfort zone), the new Worlds and Lives anthology (which has small moments of joy) and then Frankenstein. The nineteenth century choices are all pretty dark to be honest.

The texts haven’t changed in ages. They need to. I
They used to rotate regularly.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 23/07/2025 08:18

For clarity, I love Macbeth and Romeo and Juliet, but there’s a time and a place, and served up along side the others…they’re a lot.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 23/07/2025 08:17

GrammarTeacher · 23/07/2025 08:13

This really isn’t the case. Women in pre-mid 20th Century Literature aren’t meek and mild victims accepting their fate by any stretch of the imagination.
Inspector Calls isn’t a great play. It’s a clear play. It’s a good choice therefore for a non-tiered GCSE exam as it’s accessible at all levels. Interestingly, it wasn’t a box office success in the UK when it was first performed (the moralising was a little much for a country that had just elected Clement Atlee). It has total market dominance now courtesy of our exam system. And you can’t get performance rights for even an amateur performance due to the Stephen Daldry production (not sure Priestley would agree with that tbh). It’s going nowhere until someone higher says so (like Gove getting rid of Of Mice and Men at GCSE).
Regardless, there’s a lot of ‘dark’ texts on the GCSE specification. Too many references to suicide and not enough joy.

Hear hear!

I’ve said time and again that the GCSE texts are inappropriate, especially at a time when young people’s mental health is at an all-time low.

R+J - suicide/murder
Macbeth - suicide/murder
Inspector - suicide
Power and Conflict poetry - war, ptsd, murder.

It’s an endless diet of misery!

GrammarTeacher · 23/07/2025 08:13

mids2019 · 22/07/2025 20:53

Really interesting posts. Maybe we have become used to empowered women being almost mandatory in any contemporary production it is difficult to see something where there is a more realistic historical portrayal of women. I do take the points above but to an average 14 year old it can be a shock to face this level of patriarchy and maybe this is partly due to sensitization of historical drama now (as well as a constant feed of teen drama where gender power is a lot more equal).

This really isn’t the case. Women in pre-mid 20th Century Literature aren’t meek and mild victims accepting their fate by any stretch of the imagination.
Inspector Calls isn’t a great play. It’s a clear play. It’s a good choice therefore for a non-tiered GCSE exam as it’s accessible at all levels. Interestingly, it wasn’t a box office success in the UK when it was first performed (the moralising was a little much for a country that had just elected Clement Atlee). It has total market dominance now courtesy of our exam system. And you can’t get performance rights for even an amateur performance due to the Stephen Daldry production (not sure Priestley would agree with that tbh). It’s going nowhere until someone higher says so (like Gove getting rid of Of Mice and Men at GCSE).
Regardless, there’s a lot of ‘dark’ texts on the GCSE specification. Too many references to suicide and not enough joy.

mids2019 · 22/07/2025 20:55

Actually I bet to differ about going teens immediately dismissing the likes of Bridgerton as unrealistic as they may have nothing immediately to compare to and maybe mistakenly think of it as based on historical fact (especially if real historical characters are alluded to).

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mids2019 · 22/07/2025 20:53

Really interesting posts. Maybe we have become used to empowered women being almost mandatory in any contemporary production it is difficult to see something where there is a more realistic historical portrayal of women. I do take the points above but to an average 14 year old it can be a shock to face this level of patriarchy and maybe this is partly due to sensitization of historical drama now (as well as a constant feed of teen drama where gender power is a lot more equal).

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pinkdelight · 22/07/2025 19:28

Exactly. There’s a world of difference between a period TV drama made today with our 21stC sensibilities, and in the case of Bridgerton and Downton primarily to entertain, versus a drama that seems period to us but was contemporary to its time and had a social purpose as well as being a piece of theatre. Period dramas get reimagined for the audiences in each era in various ways, but the original play texts and novels shouldn’t change to make the women more kickass or Humbert less pervy. We’ve gotta get past the basic studio exec note of needing characters to be likeable and engage in the complexity, and when the work is really great it can transcend eras and take on all manner of settings (Shakespeare, Chekhov etc) because they key into a humanity that always feels relevant.

NoctuaAthene · 22/07/2025 17:55

mids2019 · 22/07/2025 17:25

I think one interesting point is that in modern drama we expect to see strong female role models. If we look at the likes of Bridgerton and Dowton Abbey maybe women in these shows are given a lot more choice than women in those periods had?

I suppose Sheila gains a strength through her questioning of both her famiy's morality and her relationship with Gerald but as has been pointed out ultimately she doesn't have the choice to kink Gerald out of her life which maybe would be the expectation of modern drama

Well yes, I don't think anyone, even GCSE students thinks Bridgerton (or Downton Abbey, or even some of the modern adaptations of classic novels like Jane Austen) are realistic historical depictions, do they? The writers and producers of those shows primarily want their characters to be likeable and relatable to a modern audience and their shows to be fun and light-hearted to watch, so of course they do things like showing young Regency women to be empowered and making their own choices around sexual partners (when realistically these choices would be extremely limited and parentally controlled, but that would make a frothy show about sex and romance with frocks and characters less fun) or aristocrats having interesting friendships with their servants based on equality of thought and frank exchange of views (when that would be extremely unlikely in the 1920s but that would make the programme much more overtly political and stiff). It doesn't mean you can't have fun analyzing these shows or have them provoke interesting discussions but in terms of passing GCSE exams the kids need to understand they can't simply apply modern day British moral standards to make value judgements about characters in texts written in the past and/or another culture. (a) Because the examiners want to see that they understand the book or play's context and that they've learnt something about that time period and how it differs from today and (b) simply saying Penelope in Bridgerton is a good character because she's a strong empowered woman or Sheila is a bad character because she doesn't stand up to the men doing bad things to her isn't proper literary analysis. Its not about whether you personally like the character or not, or relate to them or not, it's about probing and understand what the author was trying to depict and say through that character and the techniques s/he uses to do so, and how successful they are...

For instance have you read Lolita? Not that it would ever be used for GCSE or even A Level (and I'm not saying give it to your teenager to read!) but you wouldn't get very many marks in a literature exam character analysis question for just saying Humbert (the main character) is a bad man because he's a paedophile, even though it's pretty universally agreed paedophilia is very very wrong. You wouldn't even get that many marks for adding in interesting historical context and discussion of differing attitudes to children and paedophilia or even censorship and moral outrage in the early-mid 20th century to today. You'd need to dig into what the author was trying to do with the character and why and how he's depicted as he is to answer the question. Does that make sense?

MaarvaCarassi · 22/07/2025 17:33

I went to see this with DS, I swear that most the people there were GCSE students with their families.

I didn’t particularly enjoy it, but avoided it during my school education luckily.