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Are school sixth forms that rank applicants by GCSE grades in breach of the admissions code?

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havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:24

Grammar school Year 12 admissions policies tend to set minimum grade thresholds, which apply equally to internal and external applicants. Internal applicants that meet the criteria are, of course, guaranteed a place. However, to manage demand for external applicants, they need to use oversubscription criteria. Rather than using distance or lottery like non-selective schools, its common to rank applicants by average GCSE point score. But surely this is a breach of clause 2.6 of the Admissions Code which says that sixth form academic selection criteria "must be the same for both external and internal places"?

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Sleepalldaylong · 13/04/2025 13:40

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:38

Nope, mine did qualify actually. 🙂

Why are you so bothered then?

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:38

Sleepalldaylong · 13/04/2025 13:36

You’re obviously just pissed off because your child won’t qualify based on exam results. It makes sense for the highest achievers to get the external places for a grammar school. Life’s like that so stop whingeing about it.

Nope, mine did qualify actually. 🙂

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havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:38

I'm interested to hear from anyone who might know if this practice has been challenged via the Schools Adjudicator. I've seen a few objection reports, but none so far that have considered this aspect of policies.

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Sleepalldaylong · 13/04/2025 13:36

You’re obviously just pissed off because your child won’t qualify based on exam results. It makes sense for the highest achievers to get the external places for a grammar school. Life’s like that so stop whingeing about it.

TeenToTwenties · 13/04/2025 13:36

Baital · 13/04/2025 13:33

Well, grammar schools select by exam performance. That's what they do...

But the OP's point is that if they let in all internal applicants who meet a minimum grade but then select externals based on highest performing, then they aren't applying the same criteria to both groups.

Brort · 13/04/2025 13:35

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:33

No, they don't have to select the highest performing.

But they can. And probably will.

ETA: I'm not talking about the code saying they must, just generally that they would obviously want to.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:34

Baital · 13/04/2025 13:33

Well, grammar schools select by exam performance. That's what they do...

They have to do it in line with the admissions code.

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Baital · 13/04/2025 13:33

Well, grammar schools select by exam performance. That's what they do...

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:33

Brort · 13/04/2025 13:30

Yes, and I'm saying they've essentially done that first. Eventually, they have to select the highest performing.

No, they don't have to select the highest performing.

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MissyB1 · 13/04/2025 13:32

Well whether it's right or not I don't know, but it will definitely happen in our our County this year (and I think it happened last summer), because of the amount of private school pupils wanting to cross over to the state Grammar schools. Now if they don't raise the bar for "outsiders" but just raise it across the board, then state pupils may well miss out. It's a conundrum.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:31

legsekeven · 13/04/2025 13:29

So what do you want them to do. There are only so many places

I want them to comply with the admissions code. Up to them how they do that. They could use distance or lottery. Or they could give the year 12 applicants the same sort of entry test that the internal applicants sat for year 7.

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Brort · 13/04/2025 13:30

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:28

It's fine to apply distance criteria. It's not fine to apply different academic criteria to internal and external year 12 applicants.

Yes, and I'm saying they've essentially done that first. Eventually, they have to select the highest performing.

legsekeven · 13/04/2025 13:29

So what do you want them to do. There are only so many places

havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:28

Brort · 13/04/2025 13:25

I assume the internal ones already met the other thresholds (like distance) by getting a place in lower school.

It's fine to apply distance criteria. It's not fine to apply different academic criteria to internal and external year 12 applicants.

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Brort · 13/04/2025 13:25

I assume the internal ones already met the other thresholds (like distance) by getting a place in lower school.

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