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Are school sixth forms that rank applicants by GCSE grades in breach of the admissions code?

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havubooked · 13/04/2025 13:24

Grammar school Year 12 admissions policies tend to set minimum grade thresholds, which apply equally to internal and external applicants. Internal applicants that meet the criteria are, of course, guaranteed a place. However, to manage demand for external applicants, they need to use oversubscription criteria. Rather than using distance or lottery like non-selective schools, its common to rank applicants by average GCSE point score. But surely this is a breach of clause 2.6 of the Admissions Code which says that sixth form academic selection criteria "must be the same for both external and internal places"?

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havubooked · 13/04/2025 17:02

BlackBean2023 · 13/04/2025 16:39

If there were more applicants than places for internal applicant then the same oversubscription criteria would apply. DD’s selective school (184 PAN in years 7-11) have a sixth form with 220 places per year - up to 184 spaces are for reserved for internal applicants who meet the entry criteria so the reality is that they never have to apply oversubscription criteria to internal applicants.

there’s the loophole for you OP, there’s no breach.

No, the schools adjudicator is always very clear that a sixth form PAN is only applicable to external candidates, and therefore oversubscription criteria are only applicable to external candidates.

All internal candidates who meet the minimum academic criteria can transfer automatically. In practice, schools manage internal oversubscription at course level rather than cohort level e.g. by saying "yes, you can have a place, but course X is full so you'll have to choose between course Y or Z" meaning that some eligible internal candidates voluntarily go elsewhere.

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Brort · 13/04/2025 17:01

SheilaFentiman · 13/04/2025 16:49

I think this may be the crux of it.

Exactly. The admissions criteria, and the oversubscription criteria, have to be the same for external and internal applicants, but if all eligible internal candidates have processed (automatically for meeting minimum pass rate, if outlined as the case in the policy), they aren't included in oversubscription. The chances that the sixth form places are smaller than the number of suitably qualified y11 pupils looking to continue is low. They're unlikely to be full before all current pupils have a place. If some were included in the oversubscription, they'd have to be ranked in and amongst the externals.

Soontobe60 · 13/04/2025 16:58

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:00

You have misunderstood. Internal and external candidates have to meet the same minimum criteria. External candidates are then ranked by their results. They therefore have additional academic criteria applied to them, which is forbidden by the code. They are allowed to have additional non-academic criteria applied to them, but not additional academic criteria.

That’s not correct. Should there be more external candidates who meet the threshold academic entry requirements than there are places, the Code requires clear, fair and objective oversubscription criteria to decide who should be offered the places. As part of these criteria the admission authority is free to adopt a “sliding scale” to rank applicants so giving a higher priority to those with better GCSE results, remembering that all “looked after and previously looked after children” meeting the academic threshold must be offered a place before other applicants.
https://wslaw.co.uk/insight/sixth-form-admissions-getting-it-right/

Sixth Form Admissions – Getting it Right

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SheilaFentiman · 13/04/2025 16:49

BlackBean2023 · 13/04/2025 16:39

If there were more applicants than places for internal applicant then the same oversubscription criteria would apply. DD’s selective school (184 PAN in years 7-11) have a sixth form with 220 places per year - up to 184 spaces are for reserved for internal applicants who meet the entry criteria so the reality is that they never have to apply oversubscription criteria to internal applicants.

there’s the loophole for you OP, there’s no breach.

I think this may be the crux of it.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:47

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:41

I thought you were very familiar with the code and felt like arrogantly telling others they had misunderstood, while apparently asking if you could be wrong.

Read what it says.

I am very familiar with the code. I'm not arrogant. You're telling me something I don't know so I'm asking you which part of the code you're referring to. Genuine question.

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Brort · 13/04/2025 16:41

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:39

Which clause?

I thought you were very familiar with the code and felt like arrogantly telling others they had misunderstood, while apparently asking if you could be wrong.

Read what it says.

BlackBean2023 · 13/04/2025 16:39

If there were more applicants than places for internal applicant then the same oversubscription criteria would apply. DD’s selective school (184 PAN in years 7-11) have a sixth form with 220 places per year - up to 184 spaces are for reserved for internal applicants who meet the entry criteria so the reality is that they never have to apply oversubscription criteria to internal applicants.

there’s the loophole for you OP, there’s no breach.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:39

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:35

Yes it does.

Which clause?

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clary · 13/04/2025 16:35

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:30

Not that unusual in London.

A lot comes down to space - how do you suddenly build a new 6th form on a small footprint.

The PAN is now 450 in Y7-10. Current Y11 is 435 after an increase from about 350.

The current Y11s have been very aware of if they are likely to make the cut off and applied elsewhere for lower tariff offers.

There are a LOT of private schools in the area and huge numbers of their pupils are now applying to the top comps since the VAT addition, so it's even more competitive this year than normal. Some schools closed their 6th form admissions dates early due to over subscription.

What a nightmare. For students and for schools as well.
Tho it's odd that there is such a dissonance between the PAN for the rest of the school and that for sixth form. Is the sixth form a new addition? Or was it historically not that popular I wonder? Like I say IME (not London!) there is pretty much parity between numbers, or at least numbers that will want to stay (obvs a good % of students go elsewhere post-16 as A levels are not for them).

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:35

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:30

The admissions code doesn't make that distinction.

Yes it does.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:35

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:31

Not a grammar - comprehensive.

The oversubscription criteria are all academic looking at the policy. I can't see how you could have anything else (the school doesn't admit based on distance for Y7-11).

Edited

I'm not referring to a specific school. I'm referring to schools that rank applicants by GCSE results. In my experience these are usually grammar schools. Some comps may do it too, but they would have less of a defence if challenged.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:31

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:28

If I'm right that it's a breach then, to comply with the code, they would need to use non-academic oversubscription criteria. However, I realise this is counter-intuitive for a grammar school..That's why I'm laying it out here and questioning whether I'm right or not.

Not a grammar - comprehensive.

The oversubscription criteria are all academic looking at the policy. I can't see how you could have anything else (the school doesn't admit based on distance for Y7-11).

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:30

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:24

It's not the general criteria. It's the oversubscription details.

The admissions code doesn't make that distinction.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:30

clary · 13/04/2025 16:24

Is this scenario fairly unusual tho @OhCrumbsWhereNow ?

That's a very very big year 11 equating to a school of more than 2000 pupils excluding sixth form. Then it narrows a lot to a more average size sixth form. I wonder why that is?

For comparison, my DCs went to a school with about 200-220 in a year and. a sixth form of about 150. AFAIK those figures are standard across our city, allowing places for all who want to carry on (and qualify) and then space for those at a school with no sixth form (there are two or three locally) or who want a change (maybe to study a specific subject).

Not that unusual in London.

A lot comes down to space - how do you suddenly build a new 6th form on a small footprint.

The PAN is now 450 in Y7-10. Current Y11 is 435 after an increase from about 350.

The current Y11s have been very aware of if they are likely to make the cut off and applied elsewhere for lower tariff offers.

There are a LOT of private schools in the area and huge numbers of their pupils are now applying to the top comps since the VAT addition, so it's even more competitive this year than normal. Some schools closed their 6th form admissions dates early due to over subscription.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:28

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:20

So how would you allocate if there are for example 40 places available and 500 candidates for those?

If I'm right that it's a breach then, to comply with the code, they would need to use non-academic oversubscription criteria. However, I realise this is counter-intuitive for a grammar school..That's why I'm laying it out here and questioning whether I'm right or not.

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TeenToTwenties · 13/04/2025 16:28

@havubooked In your situation if there were more internal people meeting minimum criteria than spaces in 6th form, how would the school choose?

Or can that never occur in which case it could just as well be best results?

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:25

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:23

I know school sixth forms are allowed to use academic criteria - I'm very familiar with the admissions code - but they're not allowed to apply different academic criteria to internal and external candidates. It's very clearly stated in the clause I referenced in my original post.

So how does a school choose?

If you have a situation where the ask is 6 x 7-9 grades for internal.

Then you only have 40 places for external and 500 apply and get 6 x 7-9.

A school can't suddenly magic up 500 places when their PAN is 200 for 6th form.

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:24

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:23

I know school sixth forms are allowed to use academic criteria - I'm very familiar with the admissions code - but they're not allowed to apply different academic criteria to internal and external candidates. It's very clearly stated in the clause I referenced in my original post.

It's not the general criteria. It's the oversubscription details.

clary · 13/04/2025 16:24

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 15:46

The problem is lack of spaces.

My DD's comp has a 6th form with 200 places overall.

Not all over those places are even for A levels as they also run a T level course.

Of those 200 places, 160 are ring-fenced for internal candidates.

There are 435 pupils in current Y11, and only space for 160 of those, so the bar to stay on is extremely high. Minimum of 6 x 7-9 grades including English and Maths.

40 spaces are for external candidates - iirc there have been in excess of 1k applications this year.

Oversubscription is based on ranked GCSE results for external candidates. I don't really see how else you can do it given it's also about what A level subject choices they have made.

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Is this scenario fairly unusual tho @OhCrumbsWhereNow ?

That's a very very big year 11 equating to a school of more than 2000 pupils excluding sixth form. Then it narrows a lot to a more average size sixth form. I wonder why that is?

For comparison, my DCs went to a school with about 200-220 in a year and. a sixth form of about 150. AFAIK those figures are standard across our city, allowing places for all who want to carry on (and qualify) and then space for those at a school with no sixth form (there are two or three locally) or who want a change (maybe to study a specific subject).

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:23

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:15

No, I haven't misunderstood. They do all have to meet the same minimum, in that the internal pupils won't stay on without the standard results.

Designated grammar schools, or school sixth forms, are allowed to add academic criteria, and selection by ability, to their own oversubscription rules.

Edited

I know school sixth forms are allowed to use academic criteria - I'm very familiar with the admissions code - but they're not allowed to apply different academic criteria to internal and external candidates. It's very clearly stated in the clause I referenced in my original post.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 13/04/2025 16:20

So how would you allocate if there are for example 40 places available and 500 candidates for those?

Brort · 13/04/2025 16:15

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:00

You have misunderstood. Internal and external candidates have to meet the same minimum criteria. External candidates are then ranked by their results. They therefore have additional academic criteria applied to them, which is forbidden by the code. They are allowed to have additional non-academic criteria applied to them, but not additional academic criteria.

No, I haven't misunderstood. They do all have to meet the same minimum, in that the internal pupils won't stay on without the standard results.

Designated grammar schools, or school sixth forms, are allowed to add academic criteria, and selection by ability, to their own oversubscription rules.

havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:07

cunningartificer · 13/04/2025 15:59

Do look at the individual grammar school admissions criteria for sixth form as they are often more complicated than you might think. (The internal candidates getting priority is in my opinion far better than just trying to cream off all the high flyers from nearby schools, and shows commitment to the child who already has a relationship with that school community—just like schools don’t throw out children whose families move out of catchment!). In lots of grammars there are also priorities for pupil premium and other disadvantaged children who will get in before others in catchment. Then siblings criteria etc. In the country where I work many grammar schools have changed sixth form admissions criteria in the past few years and few if any now just go for the highest scoring.

Opinion doesn't really come into it though, because schools are legally obliged to comply with the code.

"The internal candidates getting priority is in my opinion far better than just trying to cream off all the high flyers from nearby schools"

Internal candidates are already enrolled at the school. If they meet the minimum academic criteria, then they have as much right to transfer from year 11 to 12 as they had to transfer from year 10 to 11. That is not in doubt. The only thing that is in doubt is whether external candidates should have a higher academic bar than the internal candidates, or whether they should have the same academic bar as the internal candidates and instead be prioritised by non-academic criteria such as distance.

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havubooked · 13/04/2025 16:00

Brort · 13/04/2025 15:54

If that key difference is allowed (for good reason), and that's the only way they are being treated any differently, there isn't a problem. Ranking by ability is obvious.

You have misunderstood. Internal and external candidates have to meet the same minimum criteria. External candidates are then ranked by their results. They therefore have additional academic criteria applied to them, which is forbidden by the code. They are allowed to have additional non-academic criteria applied to them, but not additional academic criteria.

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cunningartificer · 13/04/2025 15:59

Do look at the individual grammar school admissions criteria for sixth form as they are often more complicated than you might think. (The internal candidates getting priority is in my opinion far better than just trying to cream off all the high flyers from nearby schools, and shows commitment to the child who already has a relationship with that school community—just like schools don’t throw out children whose families move out of catchment!). In lots of grammars there are also priorities for pupil premium and other disadvantaged children who will get in before others in catchment. Then siblings criteria etc. In the country where I work many grammar schools have changed sixth form admissions criteria in the past few years and few if any now just go for the highest scoring.

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