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Do we pull DD out of her show to focus on GCSEs?

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AreolaGrande · 13/03/2025 06:50

Background: DD is super bright and a bit of a procrastinator. She has never had to put her foot fully to the floor to get high marks before.

She is heartset on going to a local outstanding 6th form college and knows the required grades for getting in.

One of her teachers rang us last night to tell us that she has got a 7 rather than the predicted 9 in her Biology mock. DD thought she'd done much better than this. This is the first result from these mocks. Teacher rang to give us the chance to tell DD so she didn't feel ambushed finding out at school today.

Had a gentle but firm come to Jesus talk with DD where she admitted she's been complacent/not been revising as thoroughly as she should be.

She is part of musical theatre club at school and adores it (although no plans to follow this career wise) and has been cast in the lead role for their show in the summer. Rehearsals x twice midweek plus a Saturday.

I don't want to take this away from her but I feel that is too much time when she needs to be prioritising her studies?

DD is of course horrified at this suggestion and had vowed to knuckle down as of now.

Are we.being too reactionary/harsh?

Obviously only one grade has come back so far but DD admits she thinks the rest will be lower than predicted.

OP posts:
MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 11:58

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:48

Every DC should be working as hard as possible to get the best GCSE grades they are capable of- whether that be 5s or 9s.

Accepting a 7 as ‘good enough’ when a student is capable of better is tolerating laziness and mediocrity, which does no one any good.

Where does that end? Someone getting 5s could work 6 hours every night and get 9s. It's not up to you to "tolerate laziness" or not, your DC will be who they are. You can harass them and push them at 15 but eventually they will move out and there'll be nothing you can do about them choosing to work hard or not at University. Their personality is determined already and pushy mums don't make self-motivated kids.

TizerorFizz · 14/03/2025 11:54

@MrsSunshine2b You are wrong and out of date. Look at current admissions info. Just because people multi task doesn’t mean that got most of your year into medicine or Oxford. That’s highly doubtful anyway. Oxford look at GCSE profile and Bristol do for many courses where it’s 20% of the profile. No one cares if you have grade 8 on the flute or play tennis if you apply for a history degree. What they want to know is whether your academic success is suitable and you have the attributes which support your history application.

VictoriusViking · 14/03/2025 11:39

@SeaSwim5 its not been established at all whether the child in question is bright but lazy. In GCSE biology laziness probably doesn’t come into it as she knew enough to secure a 7. Maybe there were other factors at play? Exam technique or pacing study equally across several exams, maybe she’d done another mock that day and was fatigued, maybe she had a headache?Why are you so insistent that it’s laziness on her part? One of the reasons for mocks is exactly this, to try and identify potential pitfalls. The teacher rang because they thought the dc may be disappointed not to lampoon her efforts. It was the call that surprised the OP not necessarily the grade. To be honest I would be surprised to receive a call at that level unless it was to specifically identify an area to improve on & even then with a top performing student I would expect that conversation to be between teacher and pupil not via their mum.

Roseshavethorns · 14/03/2025 11:37

Please don't pull her out of the shower.
Exam time can be very stressful and I have seen too many young people burn out and become ill because of the pressure that they are living under. This will give her a healthy outlet for her stress.
You can ask her teachers to contact you if she is not putting the work in.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 11:35

rosemarble · 14/03/2025 11:10

I think there are many reasons for accepting 'good enough', not just laziness and mediocrity.
My son's grades will be good enough. Compared to the raft of summer exams fails, this is a good goal.
He feels ambivalent towards school. This cohort started secondary during lockdown; the first two years of their secondary education were pretty crappy.
Any reason to close the school and it was his year that stayed at home so they could focus on the new year 7s or the exams years (10, 11 and 13). They also ensured the exam years got the best teachers, so he has supply after supply and presented with a powerpoint. They've got to year 11 and thought "shit....we'd better throw all the resources at this year group". He had come on in leaps and bounds having an interested, qualified & experienced stats teacher this year. It's too late though.
He does not feel motivated to fill the huge gaps by spending all his time revising (and in some cases...actually learning because they have not covered all the material). I support him, but it has to come from him. It's just me and him at home. If our relationship breaks down we're a bit stuck.

It is definitely a case of getting what he needs to take the next step. I really want him to find a love of learning and I hope he gets what he needs to sit A levels.

The problem with taking a half-assed approach to GCSEs is that it doesn’t built the good habits and work ethic necessary for A levels and beyond.

A 7 at GCSE is equivalent to a B or C in that subject at A level.

A student who has pushed themselves and worked really hard to get that 7 is likely to do much better at A level as they have the skills and self-discipline required.

rosemarble · 14/03/2025 11:29

Why on earth would you be surprised at teachers expressing concern about a student not achieving what they’re capable of?

I think they are referring to the fact the teacher phoned home so that OP's DD didn't hear about her 7 in front of the class. If teachers phoned parents for every child not achieving their potential....well they'd not get a lot else done, would they?!

SleepingStandingUp · 14/03/2025 11:27

One slip up and you want to pull away something she loves?

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 11:27

BornSandyDevotional · 14/03/2025 11:19

All GCSEs are is a tick box pathway to the next round. Her passion for performing arts is something that can bring her joy and solace all her life.

An A is a cracking grade.

I am surprised a teacher expressed concern. But I guess it depends on the school.

My yr11's teachers were super happy with his 7s at mocks and - although they obviously want him to pick up more marks where possible (and say that most students do) - it's more than enough for the outstanding 6th form college he is set on.

Please don't take what she loves away. It doesn't really encourage the idea that learning should be rewarding and enjoyable.

GCSEs are punishment enough at 16, in my view!

Why on earth would you be surprised at teachers expressing concern about a student not achieving what they’re capable of?

Teachers’ role is to help their classes achieve to the best of their abilities. I’m pretty sure you’d expect a teacher to be calling home if a DC capable of a 5 was arsing about and getting 3s?

Why should DC who are bright but lazy be allowed to not try their best?

Brighthsoothinglight · 14/03/2025 11:25

Not; she would resent you and do worse. She knows what she needs to do to improve her marks hopefully

BornSandyDevotional · 14/03/2025 11:19

All GCSEs are is a tick box pathway to the next round. Her passion for performing arts is something that can bring her joy and solace all her life.

An A is a cracking grade.

I am surprised a teacher expressed concern. But I guess it depends on the school.

My yr11's teachers were super happy with his 7s at mocks and - although they obviously want him to pick up more marks where possible (and say that most students do) - it's more than enough for the outstanding 6th form college he is set on.

Please don't take what she loves away. It doesn't really encourage the idea that learning should be rewarding and enjoyable.

GCSEs are punishment enough at 16, in my view!

rosemarble · 14/03/2025 11:10

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:48

Every DC should be working as hard as possible to get the best GCSE grades they are capable of- whether that be 5s or 9s.

Accepting a 7 as ‘good enough’ when a student is capable of better is tolerating laziness and mediocrity, which does no one any good.

I think there are many reasons for accepting 'good enough', not just laziness and mediocrity.
My son's grades will be good enough. Compared to the raft of summer exams fails, this is a good goal.
He feels ambivalent towards school. This cohort started secondary during lockdown; the first two years of their secondary education were pretty crappy.
Any reason to close the school and it was his year that stayed at home so they could focus on the new year 7s or the exams years (10, 11 and 13). They also ensured the exam years got the best teachers, so he has supply after supply and presented with a powerpoint. They've got to year 11 and thought "shit....we'd better throw all the resources at this year group". He had come on in leaps and bounds having an interested, qualified & experienced stats teacher this year. It's too late though.
He does not feel motivated to fill the huge gaps by spending all his time revising (and in some cases...actually learning because they have not covered all the material). I support him, but it has to come from him. It's just me and him at home. If our relationship breaks down we're a bit stuck.

It is definitely a case of getting what he needs to take the next step. I really want him to find a love of learning and I hope he gets what he needs to sit A levels.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 11:09

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 10:59

They also bell curve as do GCSEs it causes issues at DDs Grammar as they often limit 9 to a top couple of marks or a small percentage similar to gcse but probably not the same grade boundaries

@SeaSwim5 but working all hours isn’t a feasible way to get through life either. Accepting your own limitations is fine. And the problem is we don’t know if the OP DD is capable of if thau is how the essay was marked

DD has friends who have really punishments for grtting 7s even though the grade boundaries are tough - made to work in their rooms all weekends with little breaks. It has massively put her off the sixth form

No one is advocating working all hours. It is perfectly possible to work hard for GCSEs and also have plenty of tome for other thing.

Your DD’s friends’ parents are wrong to give them into trouble if a 7 is what they are capable of. However, it seems perfectly reasonable to punish them if they are lazing about and not working hard to reach their potential.

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 10:59

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 14/03/2025 10:34

I think the teachers a overly harsh with mock marking to give kids a kick up the bum and a fright.

They also bell curve as do GCSEs it causes issues at DDs Grammar as they often limit 9 to a top couple of marks or a small percentage similar to gcse but probably not the same grade boundaries

@SeaSwim5 but working all hours isn’t a feasible way to get through life either. Accepting your own limitations is fine. And the problem is we don’t know if the OP DD is capable of if thau is how the essay was marked

DD has friends who have really punishments for grtting 7s even though the grade boundaries are tough - made to work in their rooms all weekends with little breaks. It has massively put her off the sixth form

Hoppinggreen · 14/03/2025 10:58

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:48

Every DC should be working as hard as possible to get the best GCSE grades they are capable of- whether that be 5s or 9s.

Accepting a 7 as ‘good enough’ when a student is capable of better is tolerating laziness and mediocrity, which does no one any good.

I agree to a point but you are only 16 once, there should be room for fun as well and if that means a perfectly good 7 rather than a 9 then thats fine

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:48

MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 10:34

Hard enough for who?

If she's satisfied with a 7, who is her Mum to tell her it's not good enough?

Why would she want to give up her passions and spend 2.5 hours a night working so she can tick someone else's box about being "good enough"?

Every DC should be working as hard as possible to get the best GCSE grades they are capable of- whether that be 5s or 9s.

Accepting a 7 as ‘good enough’ when a student is capable of better is tolerating laziness and mediocrity, which does no one any good.

MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 10:34

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 09:22

A 7 isn’t good enough though if she is capable of better and isn’t working hard enough.

Hard enough for who?

If she's satisfied with a 7, who is her Mum to tell her it's not good enough?

Why would she want to give up her passions and spend 2.5 hours a night working so she can tick someone else's box about being "good enough"?

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 14/03/2025 10:34

AreolaGrande · 13/03/2025 07:01

I'm not frustrated with her. I just want her to get the grades she needs to get into the college she has set her heart on going to.

We are fully supportive and DD knows this. We have a great relationship and she is under no pressure from us.

I don't want to take the show away from her. She loves performing and is crazy talented and I want to nurture that. Thank you for the perspective on that. Will let her keep going.

We're making a plan tonight for us to support more with revision and help her with a new revision plan.

Do you think it was odd or OTT of the teacher to ring in this situation? I think that caused us to panic a bit tbh.

I think the teachers a overly harsh with mock marking to give kids a kick up the bum and a fright.

MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 10:31

TizerorFizz · 13/03/2025 20:41

@MrsSunshine2b Universities don't care about what else you do outside of the subject you apply for. They don't look for any skills outside the ones for the subject. Most just want suitable A level subjects and grades.

However a few do consider GCSE grades: definitely Oxford and Bristol. Therefore don't assume GCSEs are just to get dc into a 6th form. Some dc should be wanting better grades than the bare minimum.

It's definitely better to have some hobbies on the go. They usually stop for the exam season. DC are not having lessons and probably not in school, DC should have some release from study and relaxation.

That's categorically not true and I'm not sure where you've made that up from.

Most of my year went on to Oxbridge or to study medicine or law at a red brick and the ones without hobbies, despite their straight A records, really struggled to get places on those competitive courses.

Dentistry students were also asked about hobbies requiring manual dexterity in particular; musical instruments, needlework, that sort of thing.

okydokethen · 14/03/2025 10:27

Oh no don’t take the performance away, it’ll be her outlet and her happiness and will encourage her with school work/life goals.
she got an A in biology, in a mock! Worse things have happened and she’ll know what areas to focus on now. Lots of carrots here and not sticks.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:25

MementoMountain · 14/03/2025 09:37

she should be doing 2.5-3 hours a night at this stage and more at weekends (4-5 hours a day)

For GCSEs? Christ.

I was a nerdy kid at school. Still had a lead role in the drama production during my A level year. I remember more of that than I do of Tacitus or organic chemistry.

The DC’s school gets great GCSE results and is clear that all year 11s should be doing at least 3 hours of work a night and 5 hours a day at weekends in the few weeks before GCSEs.

Any DC not doing this has no right to complain about their results. It is still perfectly possible to maintain balance while doing this.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 10:21

VictoriusViking · 14/03/2025 09:40

Isn’t good enough for you perhaps, you DC must feel severe pressure.

You would have hated parenting me. Mediocre GCSEs then working, matured & realised what I wanted to do, first class desgree then postgrads at redbricks, work at Oxbridge. Thankfully my parents didn’t put unreasonable expectations on me but celebrated, supported and, when necessary, commiserated with me along the way. Sometimes as a parent it’s better to play the long game & not expect or demand perfection.

Severe pressure isn’t required. My DC are expected to work hard and achieve the best they can in all areas of life. If that means a 5, so be it.

However, I wouldn’t be happy with them being lazy and settling for a 7 when a 9 is achievable.

VictoriusViking · 14/03/2025 09:48

*Typo degree should wear my glasses!

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 09:47

And parenting me and parenting DD who certainly doesn’t do all of that and frankly doesn’t want to entertain the idea of Oxbridge! Good enough is personal not parentally driven.

and this thread again is a reminder of how awful the new numbering system is

VictoriusViking · 14/03/2025 09:40

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 09:22

A 7 isn’t good enough though if she is capable of better and isn’t working hard enough.

Isn’t good enough for you perhaps, you DC must feel severe pressure.

You would have hated parenting me. Mediocre GCSEs then working, matured & realised what I wanted to do, first class desgree then postgrads at redbricks, work at Oxbridge. Thankfully my parents didn’t put unreasonable expectations on me but celebrated, supported and, when necessary, commiserated with me along the way. Sometimes as a parent it’s better to play the long game & not expect or demand perfection.

MementoMountain · 14/03/2025 09:37

she should be doing 2.5-3 hours a night at this stage and more at weekends (4-5 hours a day)

For GCSEs? Christ.

I was a nerdy kid at school. Still had a lead role in the drama production during my A level year. I remember more of that than I do of Tacitus or organic chemistry.