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YourPearlQuoter · 04/03/2025 10:58

If a child has been sent to another school for an offsite direction move for 12 weeks is an admission form required to fill in

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StrivingForSleep · 06/03/2025 11:49

I asked three questions in order to try to advise further. You ignored them. People can’t help if you don’t engage.

TeenToTwenties · 06/03/2025 07:43

To be honest I am having difficulty understanding 'your side' apart from the fact you and he would rather he stay in his home school and that travel to new school is £50 weekly via taxi.

Given that he has regularly failed to behave at home school but is managing at new school. Why do you think that is? Why do you think he would be able to behave at home school now when he hasn't before?

I wonder whether you may have a more articulate friend who could advocate for you with the schools? The friend could with your permission understand the process better and explain it better than the school seems to have managed.

My understanding is that if your son goes back to home school and behaves all will be well. But if he doesn't he may be excluded permanently giving you fewer options.

Please don't just remove him to 'homeschool' as I don't think you will be up to it.

Are there any UTCs in your area?

all5ofyou · 06/03/2025 07:30

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 22:42

It’s an admission pack they have given me and i feel like no one is supporting me on here everyone who repents to post is more focused on what the schools doing and that there doing the right thing no one wants to here my side or believe what im saying

People are trying to explain it to you. Some of us work in schools or are school governors. It is normal to be asked for admissions information for an offsite direction because, for a temporary period, your son will be registered at both schools.

If you/he refuse the offsite direction then the next step may be expulsion. Is that what you want?

You might find this information helpful: https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/direction-off-site-for-the-improvement-of-behaviour/

Direction off-site for the improvement of behaviour - childlawadvice.org.uk

This page outlines the power a school has to direct a pupil off-site to receive alternative educational provision in order to improve their behaviour.  Introduction  Section 29A Education Act 2002 is the relevant legislation in this area, and it states...

https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/direction-off-site-for-the-improvement-of-behaviour

Lightuptheroom · 05/03/2025 23:14

You need to speak to both schools to know exactly what they are aiming at, all schools do different things with directed off site placements, the paperwork should follow a model of reviewing regularly and making sure you understand what is happening. Ask the school why you have been given an admission pack, is it something they routinely give parents in this position? They may think they are being helpful (local authority in year applications can take a while to process) Only the school can tell you why they've given that particular paperwork, ask them why.
I understand that this process can seem overwhelming and confusing, ask both schools to explain properly, it may be they are hoping that your son would have the opportunity for a fresh start.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 22:42

It’s an admission pack they have given me and i feel like no one is supporting me on here everyone who repents to post is more focused on what the schools doing and that there doing the right thing no one wants to here my side or believe what im saying

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Ionacat · 05/03/2025 22:29

I would contact both schools in the same email and ask for clarification of what is happening so you get it in writing.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 22:23

It was definitely an admission form not an readmission form I’ve checked it

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/03/2025 21:37

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 20:49

I’m just going to pull him out of school because that school has gone about things the wrong way thank you for your advice but you don’t know the full story that school is trauma informed school they don’t communicate with each they say one thing I have raised my concerns in a letter which I received reply that they will reply to all the points I’ve made thank you for your advice I will make the appropriate decision for my child

To give him the best chances in life, you'll need to ensure that he gets a Grade 4/5 GCSE in English, Maths and Science and still gets to socialise and participate in sport with others in his age group in a safe/controlled way. Do you think you would be able to teach him these subjects to that level? If he has SEND, how would those needs be met - would you be able to drive an EHNCA get him assessed for a possible EHCP and arrange for EOTAS?

There would be support from the local authority Elective Home Education contact if you contact them - but it could end up with him going through the Fair Access Panel in any event just to ensure that he has the opportunity to take any exams - only by that point at an even greater disadvantage due to missing months or years of formal education and likely having to stay past 16 just to get the minimum qualifications he'll need in order to get jobs or apprenticeships.

'Just' pulling him out is rarely the best solution. I'd suggest you discuss it properly with both schools and the local authority to make sure his needs would be met for education, socialisation and health; it can be really lonely for them stuck at home all day every day with only one parent or just an X box for company and it makes returning to education even harder on them when it breaks down, as it does often due to it being a reaction against a school decision, rather than a philosophical belief entered into in full knowledge and understanding of what is needed.

Lightuptheroom · 05/03/2025 21:31

So..
Directed off site isn't a managed move. It sounds like the original school are trying to prevent a permanent exclusion.
He will be dual registered. The In Year Admission form would be filled in if you want him to stay there. They should be holding regular reviews.
I note a previous post where someone says you get 'no choice' if placed under the fair access protocol.... in some ways you're correct, it isn't a 'choice' but parents certainly get to state a preference on the In Year Admission application.
My advice would be to contact both schools and ask for a joint review so that you know exactly what is planned.

all5ofyou · 05/03/2025 21:13

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 10:08

Thank you everyone for your replies I was told my son will be at another school for his behaviour for 13 weeks then go back if his he behaves which he has been doing but I was given an admission form I get a feeling there trying to make him stay at other school which I won’t be agreeing to as that’s not allowed unless I the parent agree

It is probably a admissions registration form, not an admissions application form. They need to know things like his address, next of kin, gp's contact details etc, to help keep him safe.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 20:49

I’m just going to pull him out of school because that school has gone about things the wrong way thank you for your advice but you don’t know the full story that school is trauma informed school they don’t communicate with each they say one thing I have raised my concerns in a letter which I received reply that they will reply to all the points I’ve made thank you for your advice I will make the appropriate decision for my child

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/03/2025 20:02

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 19:46

Also I was told that they will be some forms to fill in but there admission forms is that normal because he wants to go back to his own school for that reason I have not filled in and submitted them

He's likely to be excluded very, very quickly. And then he could be sent anywhere within your area, which could be much further - you don't have a choice about the school the Fair Access Panel directs to take him - or he could end up at a PRU, which could be great or it could be terrible for him.

The new school is offering him (and you) a chance to turn things around.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 19:46

Also I was told that they will be some forms to fill in but there admission forms is that normal because he wants to go back to his own school for that reason I have not filled in and submitted them

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YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 19:43

No it’s cost £10 a day to get to him that school and yes it is expensive for me it’s easy for others to say that yes I know what you saying about school doing the right thing your not understanding and plus no one knows the full story they have gone about ur the wrong way they still haven’t managed to put a placement fir him like they were supposed to and no I will not give it another of him going to another school because he doesn’t want that

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/03/2025 19:18

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 15:22

I am focusing on my child he’s my only concern right now also when he was suspended last time he was made to sign a statement when he refused told him he would get into trouble he’s not in his own school but in his school charts of his own school have been putting good comments like rewarding him when he’s not even there

That's because the teacher is giving points to the whole class and he's still on the timetable (because it's a temporary move).

It sounds really positive that the new school are prepared to keep him, rather than the main school, who did this as an alternative to proceeding to exclusion. He's also improved his behaviour considerably since he's been with them - so they're clearly doing something that works for him.

I am paying a taxi fare of £50 a month
£50 a month is no more than £2.50 a day for travel, so not exactly expensive compared to the potential travel costs to get to a PRU after exclusion (or any school through Fair Access Panel protocol - when you do not have any say, so it could be much further away and a much worse school), especially when he's at secondary, so well able to use public transport.

Rather than refusing out of hand, give it some more thought - he's doing well, they want to keep him, he wasn't doing well at the previous school and is very likely to permanently exclude him at the first incident were you to enforce a return. Surely £2.50 a day is worth giving him that better chance?

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 18:33

His own school rang me up last week because I wanted to speak to someone I was updated that he had a good day and that if he settles he can settle they I disagreed then I was told I would be contacted again in a few days I also wrote a letter with my concerns and asked for a meeting

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TeenToTwenties · 05/03/2025 16:09

StrivingForSleep · 05/03/2025 15:11

Have you asked about transport/transport costs?

Does DS have an EHCP?

Why haven’t there been any meetings?

Focus on DS rather than other pupils.

I think @TeenToTwenties means, DS is at risk of permanent exclusion.

Yes, I meant if he reverts to poor behaviour when he returns to his main school he will be at risk of permanent exclusion.

StrivingForSleep · 05/03/2025 15:32

other stiffest have done worse stuff isn’t focusing in your DS.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 15:22

I am focusing on my child he’s my only concern right now also when he was suspended last time he was made to sign a statement when he refused told him he would get into trouble he’s not in his own school but in his school charts of his own school have been putting good comments like rewarding him when he’s not even there

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StrivingForSleep · 05/03/2025 15:11

Have you asked about transport/transport costs?

Does DS have an EHCP?

Why haven’t there been any meetings?

Focus on DS rather than other pupils.

I think @TeenToTwenties means, DS is at risk of permanent exclusion.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 14:56

You suggested that he will end up moving that’s not allowed as it need the parent /carer to agree and for the student to agree they don’t have a right to make a child move schools with a parents consent and also the school is a bit too far and I am paying a taxi fare of £50 a month which is difficult and he isn’t able to walk that far as you know it’s not safe now days for a child to walk that far I have written a letter to the head and the governor as I think the suspension and then offsite direction was a bit harsh

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YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 14:51

I’ve always help my kids from day one always have done it’s not that I’m I’m doing anything and it’s not always been his fault he reacts other stiffest have done worse stuff all he did was walk away as that’s a strategy that was set for him by a member of staff he was suspended for he followed instructions but then just walked away when was asked to go to the back I don’t think he did anything wrong he was suspended for just walking away and when I raised this with the head she decided on offsite direction I wasn’t told what it was no was a meeting organised to explain what was going to happen

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TeenToTwenties · 05/03/2025 12:40

The discussion I guess you will need is how to help your son not go back to his old ways when he returns to his school.

If he wants to return he will have to get his act together. Have there been discussions on why he has behaved poorly in the past and how that can be changed?

If he reverts he will end up having to move.

YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 12:36

I know they don’t have a right to make that decision unless I agree and I’m not handing in the admission form as he doesn’t not want to go there I was also told he’s on they roll I believe I should of had a meeting with his own school

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YourPearlQuoter · 05/03/2025 12:34

He’s been doing well had a bad moment but turned things around he is doing ok but wants to back to his school I had a phone call and the staff member said it would be ok for him to stay there I said no be it’s costing mr £59 a week in taxi and I can’t really afford it it’s making things difficult financially as well

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