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Channing - how smart to pass the 11+

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Meena43 · 01/03/2025 08:25

I'd like my daughters to try the 11+ and Channing, St Margarets, Highgate and SHHS seem to be the only ones which appeal to me location wise. But how smart do you really need to be? I have one extremely driven to do well, a 2nd also smart but more reserved/shy, both very good at Maths and sport. Not massive readers. Im wondering whether to give it a shot without tutoring but not sure if the children already there are exceptional.

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Meowfoy · 09/06/2025 11:07

Spookedgoat · 02/06/2025 10:08

In order of ‘how difficult to get in’, it probably goes Highgate, SHHS, Channing, St Margaret’s…

This 100%

Highgate was very hard to get into last year but SHHS much less so, honestly not that hard for any halfway bright kid - I saw lots of offers to children who are perfectly lovely but by no means academically outstanding. This is because:

  • post-covid exodus from London
  • post-Brexit exit from London/UK
  • 20% VAT on school fees
  • end of the 'bulge' years.
All of these things together mean that competition is not as tough as it was for places at all of these schools, except Highgate imo.
CruCru · 09/06/2025 07:20

Done!

Meena43 · 08/06/2025 22:08

If anyone is able to pm me with tutor recs, that would be appreciated.

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Meena43 · 02/06/2025 11:25

ConfuzdMum · 01/06/2025 20:35

We did 10-11 when DD was in year 5. By summer before year 6 she was doing all the “ stretch” marked papers (( CGP and Bond), and in year 6 ( closer to the exams) she did 11-12+. This might be different for others, but it felt like the right level of challenge for DD and did not overwhelm her… good luck with your test prep journey:)

@ConfuzdMum that's amazing - i havent even looked at 9-10 (in Y4) so a long way behind.

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Spookedgoat · 02/06/2025 10:08

In order of ‘how difficult to get in’, it probably goes Highgate, SHHS, Channing, St Margaret’s…

ConfuzdMum · 01/06/2025 20:35

Meena43 · 01/06/2025 17:02

@ConfuzdMum so these books are the 10-11 levels?

We did 10-11 when DD was in year 5. By summer before year 6 she was doing all the “ stretch” marked papers (( CGP and Bond), and in year 6 ( closer to the exams) she did 11-12+. This might be different for others, but it felt like the right level of challenge for DD and did not overwhelm her… good luck with your test prep journey:)

Meena43 · 01/06/2025 17:02

ConfuzdMum · 24/04/2025 20:10

@Meena43 , no way! The questions we practised on Atom were up to end of year 6…

@ConfuzdMum so these books are the 10-11 levels?

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Frogusha · 01/06/2025 15:49

At Margaret’s is pretty non-selective but at 11+ many put as safe choice as it has only a few places you may not get in, even if very clever.
SHHS and Highgate are much harder to get into than Channing but all need tutoring, especially if not coming from a prep. You don’t really have safe choices yet, may need to expand your list slightly

Rocknrollstar · 01/06/2025 09:08

Tutoring is about introducing the child to the type of questions they will see in the papers. Not all the topics on the papers are covered by state primary schools. Children also need to learn to work to time in the exams. Our tutor also made our DC select a news story to talk about every week in preparation for the interview.

Meena43 · 01/06/2025 09:02

Yikes, we have only been working through cgp 8-9 additional maths (currently y4) and doing well. Looks like i need to start on the 9 to 10 pretty soon, then 10 to 11! I'm stronger at Maths myself so its been easier to tutor myself but it's meant the rest have fallen by the wayside.

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Meowfoy · 24/04/2025 20:19

Meena43 · 24/04/2025 18:40

@Meowfoy in the notes for the NL Consortium, it says that they only expect you to know up to y5 syllabus? Does that sound realistic?

As @ConfuzdMum says, I would definitly say the Consortium exam expects end of Y6 level as standard. That's why the prep schools work through it all by the end of Y5.

redphonecase · 24/04/2025 20:11

Shhs and highgste very academic, channing a bit less, st margarets is most people's backup

ConfuzdMum · 24/04/2025 20:10

@Meena43 , no way! The questions we practised on Atom were up to end of year 6…

Meena43 · 24/04/2025 18:40

@Meowfoy in the notes for the NL Consortium, it says that they only expect you to know up to y5 syllabus? Does that sound realistic?

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Meowfoy · 18/03/2025 17:00

Meena43 · 18/03/2025 15:20

@Meowfoy do you think tutoring is required on top?

I really don’t, but then I don’t believe in pushing DC’s too hard as they just flame out as soon as the tutor support is taken away, if you see what I mean. Very few at my DC’s prep were tutored, mostly parents did it themselves with Atom.

But as you’ve said they’re strong in maths but not so strong in English, it might be worth getting a tutor for English. 1hr a week is pretty standard. It depends if they’re at a prep or a state school, if state then I’d be more likely to consider a tutor as they won’t have finished the Y6 syllabus early as preps do, in time for the 11+ in December.

Meena43 · 18/03/2025 15:20

@Meowfoy do you think tutoring is required on top?

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Stirabout · 06/03/2025 18:17

CruCru · 06/03/2025 13:52

Tutoring has its place but once you are getting into a child doing three hours a night of work, I will say that the benefits become more marginal. Tutoring won’t transform a child into a completely different person (and nor should it).

I agree, it shouldn’t and heavy tutoring to get into a desired school if you aren’t naturally up to it isn’t a good idea.
However
If your kid is marginal or above then ignoring that others will be tutoring to increase their kids chances of a place will simply go against your child’s chances.
getting a good grade in the 11plus exams is down to practice and knowing how to answer questions quickly. There are a lot of tips and tricks to get to that point.
Students chances of success increase hugely with private tutoring and lots of practice.

CruCru · 06/03/2025 14:05

The St Christopher stats are interesting (and impressive). In 2024, each girl had an average of 4.42 school offers. This does make me wonder how many schools each applied to.

CruCru · 06/03/2025 13:52

Stirabout · 06/03/2025 01:09

My friend didn’t bother with private tuition as her daughter was super clever and top of everything.
She failed
Others in her class which she said were average all passed . They had tutoring, and lots of it. one admitted 3hours a night plus 2 sessions a week with a tutor.

Dont risk it

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Tutoring has its place but once you are getting into a child doing three hours a night of work, I will say that the benefits become more marginal. Tutoring won’t transform a child into a completely different person (and nor should it).

Meowfoy · 06/03/2025 08:50

Agree with others - you just need to sign up for Atom, think it was £69/month when we signed up, and you only need it for 9 months till December. Money very well spent. 10-20 minutes on that a day and you will be fine. Your DD just needs to get used to the style of the Consortium exam VR and NVR, and a few practice tests.

Channing is dead easy to get into - as others have said it is lower in the league tables so for that reason only, it generally isn't the top choice for the brighter girls. It's a great school. SHHS is more academically selective but was surprisingly easy to get into this year - they gave offers to lots of girls at our (non-hothouse) prep, I was quite surprised tbh.

Highgate is a bit harder, again higher up the pecking order. But give it a shot, they love a bright state school kid who hasn't been spoon fed from a prep.

They are all lovely schools, good luck and don't worry - I agree about how foolish it is to be tutoring children above their level of ability, but that's not what we're talking about with Atom, it's really just putting in a bit of effort for the next 9 months to chip away at any weak areas, and get them used to the VR/NVR etc.

laposeed · 06/03/2025 03:06

If you look at destination schools for a prep like St Christopher's, a lot of girls apply to Channing as it's a Consortium school and it's nearby. But for example, in 2024 they had 19 offers for Channing and only 2 acceptances (because most girls apply to more than one school, and it's lower down the league tables than some of the others so it's often a second choice). So they need to over-offer by a fair bit to get enough acceptances.

www.stchristophers.london/beyond-st-christophers/senior-school-destinations/

If your child is in state school, they will be competing against a lot of girls who are from preps which prepare them for the exams (and most have tutoring on top). So it makes sense to do some tutoring to get them familiar with the style and format, and get them up to speed. You can do it yourself if you have time, it doesn't have to be with a tutor (but it can be money well spent if only to outsource some of the mental energy required, and some children respond better to a tutor).

Stirabout · 06/03/2025 01:09

My friend didn’t bother with private tuition as her daughter was super clever and top of everything.
She failed
Others in her class which she said were average all passed . They had tutoring, and lots of it. one admitted 3hours a night plus 2 sessions a week with a tutor.

Dont risk it

shobiddi · 06/03/2025 00:56

ConfuzdMum · 02/03/2025 22:49

Hi, OP. We used Atom for just under a year and found it quite helpful for rote test practice

  • nothing fun, tbh, but it really helped my DD who has ADHD to plan her time and maintain focus. The platform also helped a lot with some typical questions and gave us an idea where she was compared to other kids using Atom and applying to similar schools. (In terms of SAS)

I would recommend their exam prep plus because of the unlimited tests, and also access to printable papers ( as we tried for Grammar schools too) . DD got into al her top choice schools, and found most tests were at around the same level ( some were understandably harder) However, although the platform is good, I wouldn’t advise to use their tutors ,which they will certainly try to sign you up for. We gave up after trying to work with four different tutors from atom. . Not saying they don’t have any good ones, they probably do.. but it was always a miss for us..

good luck!

Hey,

i am starting atom with my daughter as she has ADHD. She hates studying and going in atom she will only read comic books and if she gets stuck on a problem she’ll answer haphazardly.
im so stressed out.

roses2 · 03/03/2025 09:08

Atom learning looks to have three price options. Can anyone recommend which one is best?

The one which gives the mock exam practise, which of course is the most expensive option!

RatherBeOnVacation · 03/03/2025 06:40

Queenswood has a door to door transport service so even if it’s not as close as you would like, your daughter gets picked up and brought back to your front door. It makes things very easy and worry free!

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