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'A' levels mocks shock

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Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 19:38

Household is in a bit of a state of shock. DD predicted A, B, B and got C, E, U in her February mocks, real thing this summer.

She focused on the subject that she got a C in, but had major problems with time management in all of them. She's currently blaming everyone else but herself (a defence - she's humiliated and shocked). But still going from an A to a U in her 'best' subject was a shocker.

We've had a couple of talks and I'm giving her a bit of space to process things at the moment. She's applied to universities and has some offers based on her previous predicted grades, which now look very unlikely.

I don't care about getting the grades for uni - I just want her to be happy, but never thought I'd see her struggling with academics.

Any chance that focused revision from here on in will help her pull it out of the bag? Not to achieve the offers she has, but just to make her feel reasonably proud of herself.

TIA.

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marcopront · 26/02/2025 04:03

@Alevelsmockshock

Yes, she did miss out whole questions.

This is the problem.

A tutor won't help with this.

In the subjects she is doing she needs to get something down for every question.

marcopront · 26/02/2025 03:45

@RIPVPROG

Weren't you given your Maths mock paper back.
Surely if it was a B rather than an E you would be able to tell by adding up the marks?

In maths you can't really mark harshly. If it is right it is right.
You can penalise for not showing working or rounding errors more than would happen in the real thing but that is about it.

PrincessOfPreschool · 26/02/2025 03:27

Should say 'the exam he did by far the best in'.

PrincessOfPreschool · 26/02/2025 03:26

OP, I think exam stress is a huge thing. My DS has this and just got worse and worse in exams as Y13 progressed. In the end it was a matter of endurance to just pass everything but he was still so disappointed. Interestingly, the exam he didn't far the best in was his very last one (also his worst subject). I think he was just so happy to be at end. He refused uni because he "never wants to sit another exam in his life." The subject he did worst in was the one he had tutoring for 2 years, spent by far the most time revising for and was most stressed about.

Exams is about way more than knowledge. All I could do was take the pressure off. We didn't talk about grades or uni or what comes after,

beachcitygirl · 26/02/2025 03:20

If there hasn't been an "outside " reason (ie family death, bad break up, pregnancy) then I would be strongly discouraging universitiy for the time being.
It is self led and if she doesn't have that under control it's pointless and she's unlikely to get offers anyway.
A year working may bring maturity or a year at college at an access course as an option.
There's no wrong way round, every kid is different and exams are a skill in and of themselves and not one everyone masters whilst young x

ThisFirmPombear · 26/02/2025 02:59

Ah, I just had to reset my password as on my phone and this username is automatically generated.

ThisFirmPombear · 26/02/2025 02:57

Dd didn't get Sats results - her whole year groups' were annulled. This caused problems in her old school as she was predicted to fail everything.

Her old school hadn't bothered keeping assessment data on her (a whole other story) as so her predictions have been based on what she's done in her current school.

SullysBabyMama · 26/02/2025 00:57

In GCSE I had a subject that should have been really easy for me, but I didn’t enjoy the class or other people in that class so my coursework ways really poor. I think E. I was embarrassed but deep inside knew I hadn’t tried. I BEGGED to still be able to sit this exam and promised I would revise which I did maybe twice. I got a B overall as my exam results were so good they averaged out. It sounds like your daughter is intelligent if she was predicted these grades…. But also my son’s grades were predicted off his year 6 mock SATS as they were the year that missed the genuine SATS. It could be that your daughter couldn’t achieve these grades even if she tried her very hardest.

OneRealRosePlayer · 26/02/2025 00:43

I will always remember my a level maths mock. Top set, all predicted As. Only two people passed (one C (me) and one E). It shocked everyone to do more revision and take it more seriously. Tell her there is still time and to make a revision plan together. Remember she is still learning how to revise and what is best for her for each subject

TeenageRooster · 25/02/2025 23:57

What subject are her university offers for? There is always Clearing. Or taking a year out and applying with results in hand.

RIPVPROG · 25/02/2025 23:50

sprigatito · 25/02/2025 22:30

Is it one of those schools where the teachers aggressively under-score the mocks because they think the shock will motivate the kids? I have known some pretty egregious examples of that happening.

If she genuinely just bombed them, the best thing you can do is help her pick herself up and get on with working towards a better experience in the real thing. It sounds like you've got a good understanding of where she fell down, so you have time to get her the right support to target her weaknesses. I wouldn't go overboard with tutoring etc however. She needs to stay calm and keep things in perspective. Too many kids are burning out and collapsing because they're being force-fed the idea that the exams are everything and their lives won't be worth living if they fail. I know two who managed to get the top grades, got into Oxbridge and have rusticated during their first year because they just can't take any more pressure.

My maths GCSE teacher did this to me. I had a fairly laissez-faire attitude to school work at that age, I was able to put in very little effort, do my homework on the school bus and get very good marks. I didn't really revise. I did my maths mock and got an E. I was shaken to my very core and my teenage ego was more than dented, I didn't fail, I rarely got a B. My maths teacher was brutal, told me I might be able to swan into other lessons cobble something together and walk out with a top grade, but his subject took work. He gave me extra work to do and helped me set up a revision plan. On results day I opened that little paper envelope and I got an A* , I burst into tears and my mum thought I'd failed.
I'm pretty sure now that exam was never an E, maybe a B, but he thought I was a cocky little shit who could do better if I actually worked hard. He wasn't wrong.
I didn't think teachers would still get away with that kind of thing now though!

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 23:46

I agree that it's immature behaviour - the blaming everyone is particularly irritating for someone who is going to be 18 next month.

She has said a couple of times recently that she doesn't want to go to university. Fine by me as long as she has a plan for something to occupy her. But I think she feels like she'd be letting herself/the school down if she didn't go. She's certainly not ready to go this year (in my opinion).

She might change her mind about parents' evening (possibly to keep an eye on me!) and I shall definitely go.

She said this evening about her mind going blank in exams or, as she described it, it's like a load of letters being thrown up in the air in her head. She doesn't feel consciously stressed so much, but it does sound like an anxiety-driven, quiet panic/blanking out.

She's never coped well with transitions, and she had a very traumatic experience at end of Y9/beg of Y10 at her old school which she's never really processed properly (always refused to see a counsellor/therapist) and took a long time to settle into a new school. She struggled with the end of Y11 and bottled out of going to a better sixth form, which was the right thing for her to do as she clearly wasn't ready.

My sense is that there's going to be (a few more) years of high drama as she works things through.

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TheAmusedQuail · 25/02/2025 23:38

If it's exam technique she's lacking, she needs to start doing timed practise (past papers) at home (where there is no external pressure) to get used to the routine and structure of the papers. Ideally, her teacher would mark them for her, but if not, sometimes tutors will mark practise papers for a smaller fee than a tutoring session.

Notgivenuphope · 25/02/2025 23:27

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 20:20

English, Biology and Sociology. She's had a tutor with good knowledge of her exam spec for biology for a while and has been consistently doing past papers and getting B+.

Yes, she did miss out whole questions. I was trying to explain to her that this really drags your marks down even if you do well on some answers, but she's not ready to listen or knows and is angry with herself.

Yes, she did apply to unis with lower offers, but these results are way off that. I'm not sure that it's worth going to university if you can't work out how to revise and do exams, unless it's an entirely coursework based degree.

I think it is mainly exam technique - realising that it's fundamental not an optional extra. I've got parents' evening next week (she's refusing to go at the moment, which is up to her) and I'll find out more then.

Her predicted grades were based on GCSEs, past mocks and work she'd submitted during the year.

refusing to go is very immature. Yes it's humiliating, but hiding away and getting angry is not going to change this. She needs to have an action plan, drawn up with the support of her teachers and family.
Stomping her feet and blaming everyone else is 13 year old behaviour, not from someone who is thinking about university.
Not a dig at you OP. You sound brilliant and supportive.

MrsHamlet · 25/02/2025 22:47

BigSilly · 25/02/2025 22:39

How have you covered enough content to do a full A level in year 12?

A full paper. A we have the grade boundaries for each paper so we use those.

Because that's the way we plan the course. We can't do more than one mock in y13 because we're not allowed, so we designed the course to make it as effective as possible.

So we don't need to mark up or down to suit the story we're trying to tell. We simply say "you got X which would've been a grade Y" and take it from there.

It works for us.

1dayatatime · 25/02/2025 22:40

We are in a similar situation DS predicted ABB and got B, C, U in his mocks.

He also gets very defensive about discussing it, doesn't want to listen to advice or offered help and to be honest seems embarassed about it. He is really starting to put the hours in but again I don't think those hours are that productive (listening to music), messaging on social media and he won't listen about the need to do past paper after past paper!

BigSilly · 25/02/2025 22:39

MrsHamlet · 25/02/2025 22:32

Not necessarily true. My subject uses a past paper and those grade boundaries.

How have you covered enough content to do a full A level in year 12?

Hollyhedge · 25/02/2025 22:35

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 19:38

Household is in a bit of a state of shock. DD predicted A, B, B and got C, E, U in her February mocks, real thing this summer.

She focused on the subject that she got a C in, but had major problems with time management in all of them. She's currently blaming everyone else but herself (a defence - she's humiliated and shocked). But still going from an A to a U in her 'best' subject was a shocker.

We've had a couple of talks and I'm giving her a bit of space to process things at the moment. She's applied to universities and has some offers based on her previous predicted grades, which now look very unlikely.

I don't care about getting the grades for uni - I just want her to be happy, but never thought I'd see her struggling with academics.

Any chance that focused revision from here on in will help her pull it out of the bag? Not to achieve the offers she has, but just to make her feel reasonably proud of herself.

TIA.

Sociology she can absolutely turn around if she learns everything. I went from an E to an A 30 years ago. It is a knowledge based subject. Biology will be possible too if she can really focus on learning. I think English lit is a bit harder and maybe where to focus. Obviously her individual strengths are key..

MrsHamlet · 25/02/2025 22:32

BigSilly · 25/02/2025 22:17

Her year 12 mocks are pretty meaningless. They wouldn't have been real past exams and so there would not have been any grade boundaries to give her a meaningful grade.

Not necessarily true. My subject uses a past paper and those grade boundaries.

sprigatito · 25/02/2025 22:30

Is it one of those schools where the teachers aggressively under-score the mocks because they think the shock will motivate the kids? I have known some pretty egregious examples of that happening.

If she genuinely just bombed them, the best thing you can do is help her pick herself up and get on with working towards a better experience in the real thing. It sounds like you've got a good understanding of where she fell down, so you have time to get her the right support to target her weaknesses. I wouldn't go overboard with tutoring etc however. She needs to stay calm and keep things in perspective. Too many kids are burning out and collapsing because they're being force-fed the idea that the exams are everything and their lives won't be worth living if they fail. I know two who managed to get the top grades, got into Oxbridge and have rusticated during their first year because they just can't take any more pressure.

BigSilly · 25/02/2025 22:17

SalfordQuays · 25/02/2025 20:50

I’d definitely be speaking to the teachers. Something has gone wrong here. I assume she got As/Bs in her mocks in year 12, so she must have had better exam technique then.

I would also suggest tutoring.

Her year 12 mocks are pretty meaningless. They wouldn't have been real past exams and so there would not have been any grade boundaries to give her a meaningful grade.

MrsHamlet · 25/02/2025 21:51

When you say "gone from an A to a U", how was that A determined?

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 21:23

Yes, I'll speak to them next week. Much better in previous mocks - that's why it's such a shock.

Thanks all.

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SalfordQuays · 25/02/2025 20:50

I’d definitely be speaking to the teachers. Something has gone wrong here. I assume she got As/Bs in her mocks in year 12, so she must have had better exam technique then.

I would also suggest tutoring.

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 20:20

English, Biology and Sociology. She's had a tutor with good knowledge of her exam spec for biology for a while and has been consistently doing past papers and getting B+.

Yes, she did miss out whole questions. I was trying to explain to her that this really drags your marks down even if you do well on some answers, but she's not ready to listen or knows and is angry with herself.

Yes, she did apply to unis with lower offers, but these results are way off that. I'm not sure that it's worth going to university if you can't work out how to revise and do exams, unless it's an entirely coursework based degree.

I think it is mainly exam technique - realising that it's fundamental not an optional extra. I've got parents' evening next week (she's refusing to go at the moment, which is up to her) and I'll find out more then.

Her predicted grades were based on GCSEs, past mocks and work she'd submitted during the year.

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