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Secondary School Appeal - In Year Transfer - Please Help!

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Elfin80 · 07/01/2025 11:09

This is very hard to write in a concise way but I will try my best to get to the point.
My children have been in private education since nursery and are currently Year 5 and Year 9.
I found out approximately 8 weeks ago my husband (whom I am now separated from) has not been paying the fees. He has intercepted all communication from the school and it has got to the point where the children were told they could not return to school for the start of term on Monday 6th Janaury.
I immediately applied for school places and my son has got into my local primary school but there are no places at any of the 3 local secondary schools, there is only possibility of a place at a school 6 miles away.
You can imagine how traumatic this has been for my children, having to explain they are simply not allowed to go back into their school or see their friends and have to move school all in one go was horrific. I am still trying to find my way around the financial situation that has led us here and it has been a truly awful time at home for the past few weeks.
I have an appeal on Monday for a secondary school I want my daughter to attend, she has played sport there and knows a number of students and it is situated less than 1/2 mile from my house. The curriculum matches well to her previous school and she is obviously entering the most critical years of her education needing to select options for her GCSE subjects.
The admissions department have only just got the paperwork to me regarding the appeal, which as I say is on Monday. I don't feel I wrote a very comprehensive argument in my initial appeal application as I was just in such a rush to get it submitted.
My daughter is very anxious and upset about the situation, she isn't sleeping and I am beside myself with what is going to happen. I believe she is in a very vulnerable position, she is as such out of education as it stands. I know she is currently number 1 on the waiting list for the school.
I would be just so grateful for any advice how I can try and formulate a realistic argument to voice at the appeal to try and strengthen my case as to why she should be given a place. I am so worried about her mental health she is a very quiet, reserved girl and I just think this is going to impact her so much.

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R41nb0wR0se · 07/01/2025 13:16

The school case sounds fairly standard. Except in v v limited circumstances, schools can't let in another pupil when they are over PAN for the year but appeal panels can!
What you need to demonstrate is that the disadvantage to your daughter of not attending that particular school outweighs the disadvantage to existing pupils at the school of admitting another child.
You've got a fairly decent case. It's worth sending over any written evidence you have (letters from previous school, record of any GP appointments, evidence of sporting participation etc) across to the clerk ahead of the hearing. From what you've said, your key points are:

  • your preferred school is the only one locally that offers the subjects she wants to study
  • your preferred school offers high quality sports facilities and teaching, which is important to her as an accomplished sportsperson
  • she is going through significant emotional upheaval - her parents have separated and she has been removed from a school where she was thriving and away from her friends. She already has friends at her preferred school and you are really concerned about the academic and emotional impact that having to start at a new school where she didn't know anyone would have on her at a critical point in her education.

Take some notes into your appeal - just bullet points of key info and some tissues. Please don't be embarrassed if you cry - panels are generally composed of very compassionate people.

Good luck!

Elfin80 · 07/01/2025 12:58

Thank you all for your posts, its just so helpful to get advice and talk it through.
I completely understand the points the school have presented and know being over numbers, ultimately will always been seen as a negative against my appeal.
That's my worry really, that I can't create a strong enough case to overcome these points, whereas I know my daughter's need is great and this is a huge impact on her life.
Should I be trying to counter the points they make or is it better to concentrate on why my daughter should be in that school? eg. subjects, GCSE options, emotional wellbeing.

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Jigsawtodo · 07/01/2025 12:45

It sounds very stressful. It is good that your son has a got a place at a local primary and I hope he settles in quickly. What is the school that is 6 miles away like? You might have to consider your daughter going there, at least whilst you keep your fingers crossed on the other school. However, you can't be sure a place will come up at the school you would prefer, so you might need to be realistic about it being a longer term prospect. If it is a decent school, you may need to make the best of it. Good luck.

ScaryGrotbag · 07/01/2025 12:42

My eldest transferred start of year ten. It took until start of year eleven to transfer to the top sets due to them being at capacity until that point. I suppose it depends if you prioritise her sports in school over eleventh educational streaming.

LadySnoresMuchly · 07/01/2025 12:38

That's just the way it is. Those are the facts. That's why they can't just let everyone in. That's another child for the French teacher to plan and assess. Another book to mark, another parents evening.

My appeal was a primary appeal and there was a lot of information about fire exits and space and ratios and when I won there were 31 dc in the class instead of 30. My dd didn't have a peg for her coat and she had to share a tray. That's the reality really.

springcleaned · 07/01/2025 12:34

"Her year group is at PAN but the school is not overall. Is this any benefit?"

Only if the school's case talks about space in communal areas being an issue.

Phunkychicken · 07/01/2025 12:28

Just trio day both my DS were in year applicants to different schools (one year 7, one year 8) and weren't put in their true sets until the next academic year, when everyone was shuffled around. They were just put in the sets that the person who left had been in

springcleaned · 07/01/2025 12:21

"The report I have received through from the school seems very damning about them simply not being able to take her. They have cited no availability in middle or higher maths groups or no availability for her to be in the French stream in the school."

If those groups are full, adding another child will be to the detriment of others. The panel will weigh up your case against theirs.

You can't expect them to move a child out of those classes to accommodate yours - if your appeal is granted they will be pushed over numbers. That is why you need to present a strong case.

Elfin80 · 07/01/2025 12:00

Thank you @LadySnoresMuchly @lanthanum @springcleaned that's all very helpful.
She is a county level netball and hockey player, which would continue to be supported at this school. Her hockey coaches actually work there in the Games department and training is there.
I know there is some subjects which she wanted to do for GCSE that they can offer her there and not at other schools.
The report I have received through from the school seems very damning about them simply not being able to take her. They have cited no availability in middle or higher maths groups or no availability for her to be in the French stream in the school. Surely these are all issues that would have to be dealt with in the normal course of the year with pupil internal movement and also if a pupil left and a new child was admitted. Her year group is at PAN but the school is not overall. Is this any benefit?

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springcleaned · 07/01/2025 11:35

@Elfin80 you shouldn't mention the waiting list position at the appeal as the panel are not allowed to take it into account.

Via the Clerk you can ask the Chair's permission to submit additional evidence before the appeal. It is very common for people to do that and the Chair usually says yes in my experience (I am a presenting officer for an admissions authority).

lanthanum · 07/01/2025 11:30

You say the curriculum is a good match. If this is the only school that offers the languages she has been doing, or the only one that offers a subject for GCSE that she would have been planning to take, those are strong arguments. Also, if this school has the best opportunities for her chosen sport(s) (within lessons or in clubs), that's also something to mention. You need to be clear as to why this is relevant to her particularly - not just "there's a netball club", but "one of her main interests is netball, and in her previous school she was on the team, training or playing fixtures twice a week; this school has a netball team which would enable her to pursue this further".

If she is number 1 on the waiting list, then she stands a good chance of getting in by September (unless they have very little movement in and out of the school). I don't know whether admissions panels are allowed to take into account "she will very likely be moving to this school in due course, and granting her a place now will give her an opportunity to do so without having to go somewhere else first" - which is undoubtedly of value to her - and actually arguably for the school, as any differences in what she's covered can be ironed out before year 10 starts.

LadySnoresMuchly · 07/01/2025 11:25

This things are exactly what you should be saying for an appeal. Especially in year nine. My sister won a year nine appeal for an oversubscribed school because my nephew wanted to do a certain subject (textiles) at gcse and this was the nearest school that offered it. She was able to show in the appeal that he participated in sewing and designing out of school. She had a letter from his sewing teacher.

So things like the sport she does will help but there needs to be some history there and proof.

There is plenty of opportunity in an appeal to say what you want to say.

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