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dottiehens · 04/11/2024 16:42

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 16:20

“Martin Lewis has just released some info on this on his Facebook channel just to calm any hysteria. Only those that pay it all back will be affected. Otherwise there is no change to students - it’s 9% of your salary over the threshold for 40 years regardless. He pointed out that the previous governments policy of moving from 30 to 40 years for repayment was much more impactful.”

Why would I want my DC to pay 49% tax or even 54% if they can go study elsewhere for free and pay less tax and have a better quality of life? So that they can tick boxes. Taxes are already too high for the higher earners in this country. Do they think people will just sign up to this? Won’t people either just pay upfront if they can for their DC or send them elsewhere if they have any options at all? We are lucky to have 3 different nationalities for DC and could potentially get a 4th. Where we live in London a lot of our friends’ DC are just like that. People are not as trapped here as they won’t us to believe.

I would do the same.

SinkingVoter · 04/11/2024 16:33

Well students aren't working people are they. Not sure what else they would expect...

Tiredalwaystired · 04/11/2024 16:30

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 16:20

“Martin Lewis has just released some info on this on his Facebook channel just to calm any hysteria. Only those that pay it all back will be affected. Otherwise there is no change to students - it’s 9% of your salary over the threshold for 40 years regardless. He pointed out that the previous governments policy of moving from 30 to 40 years for repayment was much more impactful.”

Why would I want my DC to pay 49% tax or even 54% if they can go study elsewhere for free and pay less tax and have a better quality of life? So that they can tick boxes. Taxes are already too high for the higher earners in this country. Do they think people will just sign up to this? Won’t people either just pay upfront if they can for their DC or send them elsewhere if they have any options at all? We are lucky to have 3 different nationalities for DC and could potentially get a 4th. Where we live in London a lot of our friends’ DC are just like that. People are not as trapped here as they won’t us to believe.

Perhaps because not everyone is in the privileged position in the first place to up sticks and leave WITHOUT already having a solid education behind them.

LaPalmaLlama · 04/11/2024 16:26

I’m not a massive Kemi fan but I do think there’s something in what she says about how expansion of higher education has led to an expansion in the number of jobs that now require a degree even though technically, they don’t, in that people don’t need the knowledge of a degree to start these careers at entry level and succeed in them.

It needs an overhaul. There need to be other, structured routes to training and development. The maths increasingly just doesn’t work when you compare earnings to the amount invested to achieve those earnings.

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 16:21

As they want us to believe that is. This is another demographic timebomb.

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 16:20

“Martin Lewis has just released some info on this on his Facebook channel just to calm any hysteria. Only those that pay it all back will be affected. Otherwise there is no change to students - it’s 9% of your salary over the threshold for 40 years regardless. He pointed out that the previous governments policy of moving from 30 to 40 years for repayment was much more impactful.”

Why would I want my DC to pay 49% tax or even 54% if they can go study elsewhere for free and pay less tax and have a better quality of life? So that they can tick boxes. Taxes are already too high for the higher earners in this country. Do they think people will just sign up to this? Won’t people either just pay upfront if they can for their DC or send them elsewhere if they have any options at all? We are lucky to have 3 different nationalities for DC and could potentially get a 4th. Where we live in London a lot of our friends’ DC are just like that. People are not as trapped here as they won’t us to believe.

mondaytosunday · 04/11/2024 15:50

Well Stammer campaigned in 2020 that Labour would scrap fees. And the (now) education secretary said graduates would be paying less.
Raising (or scrapping) fees was not part of their manifesto this time round but he declared the current funding doesn't work for the students, university or the taxpayer. Guess like the promise not to raise taxes, they realised how unworkable these claims are in reality.

PlopSofa · 04/11/2024 15:44

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 14:58

“And looks like a complete overhaul coming.” And that means what exactly?

If the fees become means tested I will be sending my remaining 2 abroad to study for free where they will likely remain long term and contribute to that economy. I do not mind paying a bit more to account for inflation, but if it affects my own pension or retirement etc further, we are out.

You're lucky you have that choice. I'll be doing the same with my last one but not because of this. I'm keen for my kids to move away from the UK. I'd be glad if my kids got out now and went elsewhere. I feel the UK is going downhill rapidly. Why would you want them to stay?

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 04/11/2024 15:39

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 14:58

“And looks like a complete overhaul coming.” And that means what exactly?

If the fees become means tested I will be sending my remaining 2 abroad to study for free where they will likely remain long term and contribute to that economy. I do not mind paying a bit more to account for inflation, but if it affects my own pension or retirement etc further, we are out.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lifelong-learning-entitlement-tuition-fee-limits/tuition-fee-limits-in-the-lifelong-learning-entitlement

Tuition fee limits in the Lifelong Learning Entitlement

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/lifelong-learning-entitlement-tuition-fee-limits/tuition-fee-limits-in-the-lifelong-learning-entitlement

OP posts:
Tiredalwaystired · 04/11/2024 15:17

Martin Lewis has just released some info on this on his Facebook channel just to calm any hysteria. Only those that pay it all back will be affected. Otherwise there is no change to students - it’s 9% of your salary over the threshold for 40 years regardless. He pointed out that the previous governments policy of moving from 30 to 40 years for repayment was much more impactful.

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2024 14:58

“And looks like a complete overhaul coming.” And that means what exactly?

If the fees become means tested I will be sending my remaining 2 abroad to study for free where they will likely remain long term and contribute to that economy. I do not mind paying a bit more to account for inflation, but if it affects my own pension or retirement etc further, we are out.

wowzelcat · 04/11/2024 14:52

I’m not surprised with the fall in international students coming to the UK due to the changes in visa rules, coupled with inflation. My own institution had a redundancy programme last year and voluntary severance