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Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.

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ThisIsSooooDifficult · 13/10/2024 17:22

DS has passed the 11+ so has a chance at a grammar school place (school A). I’m looking for a school which will push him academically but also support a well rounded development and provide lots of experiences. A school that will support him where needed both academically and pastorally.

I get the feeling the local school (school B)
and another comprehensive school in another town (school C) achieve just as well, if not better, than the grammar school and offer more. I’m worried that passing up an almost guaranteed place at a grammar school will be a big mistake but I think the local school (B) or another comprehensive school (C) might be able to help him achieve academically whilst being better all round for him.

These are the three schools we will be naming, but need to decide on the order. (Yes, there are out 3 closest schools, discounting a comprehensive academy next to the grammar school).

School A:
The grammar school is 53 minutes door to door using public transport and walking at both ends. Children in our town do go to this school and maybe some from DS class will. There’s a scramble/high demand for places here.
The P8 for high attainers is 0.29, and middle is 0.64. Overall 0.45.
KS3 - As expected very academic curriculum.
KS4 - Everyone does English Lang and lit, maths, science x2/3 (decided by science department), RS, history or geography, French or German and one option. (9/10 GCSEs) Choices limited to humanities, languages, computer science, Music and Art.
Extra curricular - surprisingly limited e.g. sports, debating, maths.
Support/Pastoral - seems a bit like lip service to me but very vocal on how they support those under achieving by putting on after school classes (which are compulsory if you are identified as needing them).
Careers - sixth form and university only advised. I get the feeling I was laughed at when I mentioned degree apprenticeships.

School B:
The local school is a 15 minute walk door to door. Children from our town definitely go to this school. The majority of DS class will go here. Children from the grammar school town also go to our local school if they don’t pass the 11+ because it’s a lot better than the comprehensive in their town. Children from lots of other towns and villages fight for a place here as well including children from the town of our School C. Usually lots of appeals for a place.
The P8 for high attainers is 0.16, middle 0.36. Overall 0.33 (inc low)
KS3 - Typical comprehensive curriculum with academic and vocational subjects. They offer things like John Muir award and DofE.
KS4 - All expected to achieve grade 4+ in ebacc do English lan and lit, maths, science x3, history or geog, French or German and then have one more option (9 GCSEs). Range of academic and vocational to choose from.
Extra curricular - Just about everything you can think from theatre to sports and electronics to debating and environmental group to rowing. They also have additional subjects like Spanish, Latin and astronomy all of which can be taken for GCSE.
Pastoral/Support - Evident throughout the school. Have a good SEND reputation and have the same form tutor who gets to know when throughout KS3 and then swap for KS4.
Careers - Very good careers advice, engagement with the community and bringing people in. Support all pathways after school/sixth form.

School C:
A third school is 32 minutes door to door using public transport and walking. Very few (if any) children in our town go to this school although there is a lot of competition for places from other towns and villages with poor schools.
The P8 for high attainers is 0.45, middle 0.36. Overall 0.41 (inc low).
KS3 - Typical comprehensive curriculum.
KS4 - They are put on pathways but if expected to get 4+ in ebacc (likely) will do English Lang and lit, maths, science x2/3 (science department decides in Y10), history or geography, French or Spanish and 2 options (9 or 10 GCSEs). Biggest range of choices.
Extra curricular - a decent range of sports, drama and music.
Support/Pastoral - Specialist school for autism but this seems to transfer out to all the kids whatever they need help with. The usual of a new form tutor every year.
Careers - Good. Work with the community. Promote all pathways after school and sixth form.

Ive also attached some results form the school performer website for all three of the schools.

Which order would you put them, and why? No opinion is a wrong opinion. I’m just really confused and worried I’m going to do the wrong thing an looking to see how other a would approach this.

Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.
Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.
Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.
Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.
Cant decide between grammar school and local/comprehensive school.
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NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/10/2024 17:54

Look at the A8 data. That shows raw attainment, rather than the improvement upon an already high achieving cohort.

Still limited to those who have KS2 SATs data, but would give more of an idea whether they're working wonders with all groups.

ThisIsSooooDifficult · 13/10/2024 17:50

School C doesn’t loose anyone to the grammar school (as far as I’m aware). From us, the town with school C is the apposite direction to the grammar school. So it would be about 90 minutes each way on the bus for any of the kids that went there. Not saying that there aren’t any. There may be some taken by parents in cars. But no, school C are not as affected by the loss of kids to grammar school as our town is. We are quite heavily impacted. Usually anyone who can pass the 11+ will apply and then go there is they get offered a place. I am bucking the trans by considering turning it down.

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roses2 · 13/10/2024 17:47

Which is harder to get into? Could you put A #1 and if you changed your mind in say May next year, would you be high up enough on the admissions criteria to get a place off the waitlist at School B?

DS is in Year 7 at a school that sounds like A. He goes to after school clubs outside of the school such as basketball, swimming, football and scouts.

Does the level of homework allow for after school clubs? DS gets 1.5 hours a day which gives him time. I know some of the high performing schools set 3 hours which wouldn't give time.

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HappyFirdayEveryone · 13/10/2024 17:43

This must the be first time I’ve ever seen something like that and the worry is that the local school is out performing the grammar school!

I think in terms of academics, your school C is possibly the one I would go for. It’s a shorter journey compared to the grammar school (I feel this is important for secondary aged children) and provides some of that “all-roundness” you are looking for. The downside is the lack of local friends which I would say is part of the “all-roundness”. Depending on how frequent the public transport is to allow your DS to go see his friends after school or on a weekend, I would say this was a nice compromise.

For “all-roundness” and opportunities I would go for your school B. The academics are a bit worse but it does look like they are trying with the high attainers. Don’t knock anything positive when it comes to P8. Taking into consideration you probably loose a few to the grammar school and the high attainers in these results are probably the lower end of the high attainers (assuming here that they all were at the lower end of the 11+ scores and not selected from grammar school) I can’t see anything wrong with the academics. (Does your school C also loose high attainers to the grammar school? If they do they are doing extremely well, if they don’t, then I see nothing wrong with your school B). Your school B certainly provides “all-roundness” with all the extra curricular and has the added bonus of being local/walkable.

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