Detentions as a punishment

But you are paying for these courses presumably? It's one thing wasting your own money. Quite another thing wasting someone else's!

What a load of shite

A quick google informs me that the USSR has a split system of senior schools.

So I get the impression that everyone attended primary and then students could go to various specialist schools - some of which were special schools for students with disabilities, some of which were intended to prepare students for in or semi skilled work, some of which fed into universities.

I have spent time in China which has what sounds like a similar system. Culturally in China it is unheard of to verbally or otherwise challenge the teacher. So they do not have the behaviour issues that the U.K has.

However children still fall behind. They sit at the back of the (big - 40 or more) classroom and fall asleep and don't take any part.
Many others simply don't go.

The Chinese system is more complicated because not everyone is entitled to a state school place so many use cheap private schools rather than have their child not be educated.

I'm going to guess that you went to a pretty decent secondary school if you are in the UK now. Apologies if I am wrong. In countries that split children up at secondary schools the schools for high attainers always have better behaviour than the schools for low attainers.

Germany for example splits children at secondary level and children can go to grammar or technical school or what is essentially a secondary modern. The grammar school experience is very different to the technical school one.

The UK used to have this system but now we have comprehensive secondary schools that are for everyone. This, combined with the lack of respect in the UK for teachers, means that behaviour can be very bad.

This is a very different culture. I agree with others that you would benefit from watching one of the tv series where they have filmed in a real secondary school for a year.

I agree with you, OP, that primary schools try, despite being under resourced and hugely over-stretched, to work with children to address their issues, whereas secondary schools all too often punish children for struggling.

I think there is too big a jump between primary school and secondary school. Personally, I don't think the secondary school environment is suitable for 11yos. The expectations are too much and the environment isn't nurturing enough. They should not be taught in the same school as 18yos, it's too big an age range. There was a lot to be said for the old middle school system which had 9-13yos taught separately.

I don’t think I really understand what you’re saying here.

I was just saying primary schools DO do detention, after you said they don’t. And ask if you have any ideas for something to replace them. At no point did I say I don’t work hard on my behaviour management.

😂 I have taught him for over a year now and his sudden punctuality coincides with a new lateness policy and with him telling me that he is being punctual because of the new lateness policy.

I can assure you that he does not like maths more than he likes vaping in the toilets with his mates.

SweatyLama

I had a pupil that would do a ten minute performance on entry to the my lesson.
This would be after he and his mates had been turfed out of the toilets for vaping.
So the lesson could was disrupted by at least 10 minutes every time he entered the lesson. What would your suggestion be to stop him from doing this and disrupting the learning of others?
This also doesn't take into account the other times that he would disrupt the lesson.

Op has no solutions, just criticisms and ridiculous comments

And how exactly do you do that?
How do help an angry, abused child from a violent home not being angry, aggressive and disengaged?

I see you still don't have any actual answers to questions like what you would actually do when presented with complex/aggressive situations...

Kids do get fed if on lunchtime detention op, they're not starved

So what did your school do with disruptive, aggressive and abusive pupils? Ignore them? Let them roam free?

Ummm

Lunch time detentions are definitely a thing...

Em that isn't how it works the little buggers have free will. Honestly op I want to watch you in a classroom of todays kids.

But your son does. You said yourself that motivated children follow rules without the threat of punishment, however even with the risk of punishment he is struggling. He is different to you and in your home town he might have been at risk of dropping out.

He will find it harder if he is getting mixed messages from you. I have taken the approach that what happens at school is their domain and we need to respect their rules while they are there.

So you don't think there should be any kind of sanction to a student who comes in late to class? This has to be a wind-up. Do you have any idea how disruptive it is when students come in late? I think the answer must be no.

Actually students turn up on time bc they want to learn; but teachers need to have some kind of sanction for the few who are late. Why are you so against this? It's not an issue if a student follows the rules. I assume you are in favour of there being rules @SweatyLama ?

So do tell us your wonderful solutions op

Of course they can. They either give them a bit of time at the end to grab lunch or say buy food at break and eat it in detention or similar.

No sensible teacher would be late if they could possibly avoid it. Being late is very stressful!

Now I'm thinking you're just trying to wind people up.