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SET Sutton , Wilson and,Wallington schools

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Mommyingboys · 23/09/2024 13:48

Hi
Does anyone know when will the result of SET that took place on 17th Sep 2024 will be out ? Roughly how many students are called back for the second stage test ?
Thanks

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HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:38

Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:25

Thank-you veru much everyone. It means that most probably it is just the matter of not understanding the calculation technique used.
Is it worth emailing the school or will they not answer ?

They will definitely reply.
It's always worth a try.

HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:36

Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:22

I agree with you. The process of calculating the scores should be clear and shared with parents.

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Same here with my DS
His Maths was super high, a much higher than pass mark, he also passed the sports aptitude, but not English by only a couple of points

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Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:25

Thank-you veru much everyone. It means that most probably it is just the matter of not understanding the calculation technique used.
Is it worth emailing the school or will they not answer ?

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Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:22

GT31 · 22/10/2024 17:12

My sons school didn’t add up to 212 either and he was invited for stage 2. I really don’t understand the results. He passed maths for Wilson’s and failed English, and visa versa for Sutton and Wallington. I would love someone to explain how the marks are allocated. I just don’t underhand how he passed Wilson’s maths with flying colours but failed maths for Sutton and WCGS. And then visa versa with the schools for English.

I agree with you. The process of calculating the scores should be clear and shared with parents.

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HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:17

Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:14

Thank-you for sharing. this. Can you offer any insight into this because according to this again the first stage Standardised scores do not add up to 212.
This is so confusing.

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Indeed, very confusing

That's all that she sent me and same like your friend she doesn't have a clue how they calculated

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Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 17:14

HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:07

@Mommyingboys That's my friends DS sore :

60% of his SET English standardised score of 87.58,
60% of his SET Maths standardised score of 88.51,
90% of his Second Stage English standardised score of 89.98,
90% of his Second Stage Maths standardised score of 97.38,
giving a total score of 274.28 (a band score of 273). Please note that band scores are calculated to the nearest four marks.

The minimum was 281

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Thank-you for sharing. this. Can you offer any insight into this because according to this again the first stage Standardised scores do not add up to 212.
This is so confusing.

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GT31 · 22/10/2024 17:12

My sons school didn’t add up to 212 either and he was invited for stage 2. I really don’t understand the results. He passed maths for Wilson’s and failed English, and visa versa for Sutton and Wallington. I would love someone to explain how the marks are allocated. I just don’t underhand how he passed Wilson’s maths with flying colours but failed maths for Sutton and WCGS. And then visa versa with the schools for English.

HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:09

@Mommyingboys

SunSunny · 22/10/2024 17:08

@Mommyingboys You can check the appeal process and initiate the process. Please note the school generally offer seat (even if the appeal is in your favor) only if you have mentioned it in CAF. So, I would recommend putting it in CAF if you are really sure of converting the appeal in your favor.

HappySnow · 22/10/2024 17:07

@Mommyingboys That's my friends DS sore :

60% of his SET English standardised score of 87.58,
60% of his SET Maths standardised score of 88.51,
90% of his Second Stage English standardised score of 89.98,
90% of his Second Stage Maths standardised score of 97.38,
giving a total score of 274.28 (a band score of 273). Please note that band scores are calculated to the nearest four marks.

The minimum was 281

SunSunny · 22/10/2024 16:32

@ALongProcess thank you so much.....you have some really good point that in actually had not thought of.

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Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 16:26

Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 16:21

Hi everyone,
Please bear with me for a long post.
As I have mentioned in my earlier post that my friend's son only passed for WCGS. She is confused about the mail received from Sutton Grammar.
Obviously as he was invited for the 2nd stage so his first stage scores were not told at that time. But according to the emails sent to those who did not succeed in the first stage the cut off stanrdidsed score was 212.
Now after not qualifying in the 2nd stage he has been sent the breakup of his first stage and 2nd stage score and it is mentioned that they have been added in 2:2:3:3 ( 60 % of SET1 MATHS, 60% of SET 1 Eng, 90% of SET2 MATHS and 90% of SET2 Eng.
Now surprisingly the SET1 scores of Eng and MATHS do not add up to 212.they add up to 191.
Is this a discrepancy? Should she email the school to clarify it ? Can anyone whose has not passed 2nd stage for Sutton confirm that their first stage scores add to 212 or more ?
Can this have an impact on his result of the other 2 schools as well ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

To add to this, as the schools are now closed for half term should she add SGS on CAF before she gets any reply from the school ?
It is not a case of re marking . Can it be a discrepancy ? Should she raise her hopes a bit or not? What is the best way to approach the school ? Will they reply to the email or will it be dealt through an appeal ?
Sorry for so many questions. But they are passing through a difficult stage as a family and I just want to help her.

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Mommyingboys · 22/10/2024 16:21

Hi everyone,
Please bear with me for a long post.
As I have mentioned in my earlier post that my friend's son only passed for WCGS. She is confused about the mail received from Sutton Grammar.
Obviously as he was invited for the 2nd stage so his first stage scores were not told at that time. But according to the emails sent to those who did not succeed in the first stage the cut off stanrdidsed score was 212.
Now after not qualifying in the 2nd stage he has been sent the breakup of his first stage and 2nd stage score and it is mentioned that they have been added in 2:2:3:3 ( 60 % of SET1 MATHS, 60% of SET 1 Eng, 90% of SET2 MATHS and 90% of SET2 Eng.
Now surprisingly the SET1 scores of Eng and MATHS do not add up to 212.they add up to 191.
Is this a discrepancy? Should she email the school to clarify it ? Can anyone whose has not passed 2nd stage for Sutton confirm that their first stage scores add to 212 or more ?
Can this have an impact on his result of the other 2 schools as well ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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ALongProcess · 22/10/2024 16:10

@SunSunny it wasn't a straightforward choice....

SGS pluses: seemed really friendly and the admissions lady there was very helpful; central Sutton location; lockers for students; swimming pool (altho open air and only in summer)
SGS minuses: constrained site and lack of green space; dark gloomy corridors; sports ground off-site; canteen menu seemed a bit fast-food-y

WCGS pluses: lovely green site, more modern/lighter classrooms; very engaging teachers at open day; interesting elements to curriculum (e.g. PPE); tasty-sounding menu; lots of outdoor table tennis tables
WCGS minuses: limited MFL provision (but great for Latin), no lockers

SGS is marginally higher up the league tables but not a lot in it and WCGS seems to be on the rise. Both had fairly strong provision for drama, ski trips etc.. but sport generally more extensive at WCGS was our perception, except football

We let our son choose his CAF order and he said he liked the general feel of WCGS best. But, in the end, after much debate we actually let him take up a scholarship offer at another school nearer home with an even bigger curriculum offer. A heart-wrenchingly tough decision and I'm sure he would have been really happy at any of the schools.

Bbsrmum · 22/10/2024 14:30

I am currently struggling with preferences to give in CAF as we can give 3 preferences. I am not sure out of 3 schools in Sutton which one should be 1st choice.

SunSunny · 22/10/2024 13:28

@ALongProcess thank you, it so relieving :) Also you can please share "your" view and opion on SGS Vs WCGC ? I am sure there must be a reason you chose WCGS over SGS...thank you !

ALongProcess · 21/10/2024 23:49

@Bbsrmum non-catchment!

Bbsrmum · 21/10/2024 23:23

Good to hear that! Can you tell if you were in catchment or non catchment? This will help us to understand better to give our preferences.

ALongProcess · 21/10/2024 23:11

@SunSunny try looking up WhatDoTheyKnow for SGS and WCGS and it should give you some past years' rankings. My son scored 499 last year (missed one of the cut-offs too) but cleared SGS and WCGS. His first choice on CAF was WCGS which he was allocated on 1 March.

Fuzzylogik · 21/10/2024 23:10

Hi,

Does anyone know the cutoff for NWSEE ?

SunSunny · 21/10/2024 18:36

Hi there...My son has cleared SGS and WCGS but unfortunately he has missed Wilsons (English cut-off). His Wilson score said 492. We are based out of Hounslow. Any suggestion on what are his chances for SGS and WCGS ? Thank you for sharing any insights.

Bbsrmum · 21/10/2024 10:21

Ok, but due to uncertainty on which school will be allocated its difficult to move before the Allocation day.

MarchingFrogs · 21/10/2024 10:05

Bbsrmum · 20/10/2024 22:42

My son qualified for all 3 . We are ooc and keen to know if Wilson has any catchment policy. We only have 3 options to provide our preferences in CAF. We stay in Coventry.

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Once you move to the area and have tour application taken over by the LA there, you should be able to add more preferences; the maximum on the CAF used by all the London boroughs allows six.

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Mommyingboys · 20/10/2024 23:31

Sssssss123 · 20/10/2024 22:49

How many places does Wilsons have and because they pass fewer students, does that mean they offer to everyone that passed?

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No, Wilson has 180 seats only.
But there will be many children who passed the Wilson's test but will go to Tiffin/other Grammar schools/private schools etc because of diatance/choice so there is a fairly high chance for those who pass to get a place.

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HappySnow · 20/10/2024 22:58

HappySnow · 20/10/2024 22:57

Congratulations to your son!
Finger cross now!

670 boys have passed the second stage Entrance Examination for Wilson’s School. Unfortunately, around 500 boys will be disappointed if they put Wilson’s as their first choice.

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180 if I'm not wrong