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11 plus explanation please

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Hoppityhophops · 14/09/2024 17:07

Hi there,

My son took the 11 plus today but I don't understand how the scoring works tbh. He needs to get 205 (pupil premium) we are well within catchment so I think if he gets 205 he's next on the list for a place after children in care. I don't understand what a score of 205 means though. Can someone explain. Is it a certain percentage or something? He hasn't had tutoring as couldn't afford it but he has done some paper practice papers that were free. He said the exam was easy? Easier than the practice papers. But that he missed the last 5 questions on the first exam as they said but pencils down and he hadn't finished the last 5 but he finished the 2nd paper in time and went back to make sure his answers were right. Does missing 5 questions mean he's unluely to pass? For context he works at greater depth across the board and always has but I'm guessing he's at a big disadvantage not having a tutor and needing to pace himself time wise.

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pocketpairs · 20/09/2024 18:15

Hoppityhophops · 20/09/2024 17:35

Oh I see l, thank you. I would of thought the priority score would have dropped with catchment areas now in place. Is that not the case?

The priority score remains, although most of the schools are no longer super selectives. So the majority of attendees are local students

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Hoppityhophops · 20/09/2024 17:35

Oh I see l, thank you. I would of thought the priority score would have dropped with catchment areas now in place. Is that not the case?

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pocketpairs · 20/09/2024 16:16

Hoppityhophops · 20/09/2024 14:43

What's an outlier and 1 deviation?

If you look at the 'normal distribution curve, most students will score between 1 standard deviation of the mean. So in Bham, the mean is 200, so the majority taking the test will score around this region. That's why they set the priority score at 224, as that's 12% above the mean, resulting in about 18% of students getting a place. An outlier is someone who scores 2 standard deviations above / below mean, which is about 260 (in Bham)

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Hoppityhophops · 20/09/2024 14:43

What's an outlier and 1 deviation?

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pocketpairs · 20/09/2024 13:16

Plus scores in Bham will likely be released on 14th or 15th.

pocketpairs · 20/09/2024 13:16

Tas111 · 17/09/2024 20:52

He said comprehension was bit hard maths was OK but I didn't want to ask him too much n put pressure on him if he gets in good if he doesn't no problem

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You'll found out soon enough I guess. It's a positive if he think it was easy, as he's probably done ok. But unless he's an outlier (or Chinese), he'll probably score with 1 standard deviation.

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Hoppityhophops · 20/09/2024 09:46

Why does 18th October seem so far away.? I'm impatient already. From everything people are saying on here my son must have a very unrealistic view of how well he did in the exam. Especially if the kids who have been tutored for years found it hard. He came skipping out saying it was easy. But he is an eternal optimistic.

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Tas111 · 17/09/2024 20:52

pocketpairs · 17/09/2024 20:45

How did he do in rest of exam, maths, VR and comprehension?

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He said comprehension was bit hard maths was OK but I didn't want to ask him too much n put pressure on him if he gets in good if he doesn't no problem

pocketpairs · 17/09/2024 20:45

Tas111 · 17/09/2024 19:46

My son said NVR was very hard n time was too short too.he said every part he might made mistake atleast one so not sure whats he done?and NVR he said he didn't know 3 I think.he said it was quite hard exam.ive got another son already studying at grammar school.

How did he do in rest of exam, maths, VR and comprehension?

Tas111 · 17/09/2024 19:46

My son said NVR was very hard n time was too short too.he said every part he might made mistake atleast one so not sure whats he done?and NVR he said he didn't know 3 I think.he said it was quite hard exam.ive got another son already studying at grammar school.

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Hoppityhophops · 16/09/2024 20:37

Thanks pocket pairs for the info. Whatever the last bit of the first paper was is what my son didn't have time to complete.

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Skintdancemum · 16/09/2024 16:00

My dd also missed some out In the NVR today!

Sushiandsashimi · 16/09/2024 15:02

Thanks pocketpairs. I’m glad you wrote about that some have missed some questions in the NVR section. Mine said they missed quite a lot of the NVR and I’ve been too apprehensive to ask the other parents. This has put my mind at ease just a little. I know I just need to wait for the results now…

pocketpairs · 16/09/2024 10:22

They will email you on the day with the score. Nothing to do but wait, try not to fret.

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Hoppityhophops · 16/09/2024 07:55

He's just said they covered Roman numerals twice at school. In year 4 and year 5

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Hoppityhophops · 16/09/2024 07:39

He said the first paper was harder than the 2nd one.

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Hoppityhophops · 16/09/2024 07:37

He said he covered Roman numerals in school last year so he already knew them really well. How do we hear? Throught the post? Atom learning I didn't learn about until it was too late.

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pocketpairs · 16/09/2024 01:11

If your pupil premium you should have got free access to Atom learning.

pocketpairs · 16/09/2024 01:09

There's not much you can do about it now, we are all in the same boat, but 80-85% is really good on the GL familarisation tests, the English paper 1 was quite tough. We should hear back on the 14th or 15th I imagine, they always release earlier than advertised.

mumsickles · 15/09/2024 22:57

Sounds like he has done okay, did he say if there was anything he hadn't learnt yet? Say Roman numerals etc or had he covered it all?

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Hoppityhophops · 15/09/2024 22:15

The only thing I've got to go on is the paper tests that were free from GL..He was getting bwtween 80 and 85 percent right on those but he only tried them this week. He hasn't had tutoring so I don't know if that is good or bad for his first time trying a paper. The only other thing I know is that he said the test yesterday was easier than the GL practice papers. He hadn't come across NVR before at school he doesnt think but got them right in the practise paper. He said the English and Maths they already have covered in school

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pocketpairs · 15/09/2024 22:05

In simple terms, the absolute (raw or percentage) score doesn't matter. 200 is the mean (average) score for all students that took the test. He just needs to score 2.5% better than the average to get a place, if he's pupil premium.

It's a standardised test, so they will adjust for ages - if he's born after Apr - Aug 2014 he'll get extra points (bit more complicated, but that's simple explanation).

I wouldn't worry about missing questions, lots missed some yesterday, especially in NVR section.

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Hoppityhophops · 15/09/2024 09:17

Pupil premium qualifying score is 205

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Hoppityhophops · 15/09/2024 08:54

GL assessment

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Hoppityhophops · 15/09/2024 08:54

I'm in Birmingham so he sat the test for King Edwards grammar. As far as I understand it as long as he gets a score of 205 he'll definitely get a place as we live in catchment and that's the pupil qualifying score. For everyone else, it's usually around 224 they need to get to secure a place as well as being in catchment.

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