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A level choices after gcse results

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gluenotsoup · 22/08/2024 15:23

Hi all
Dd had gcse results today, mostly good. She’s done really well mostly!
Drama - distinction
History - 8
Eng lit - 7
Eng lang - 7
Religion studies - 7
Science - 7/6
German- 4
Maths -4
So, she’s enrolled at college to do English language and History but needs to sort her third one as they won’t let her do biology or psychology with less than a 5 in maths so she’s gutted when she should be thrilled.
Has anyone got any advice on possible 3rd choice with this in mind? She was only 3 marks off a 5 so we areasking for a remark too.
Thanks in advance 🙂

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gluenotsoup · 24/08/2024 18:34

I’ve suggested lit as she’s good at it, but she said she she’s not enjoyed the poetry element so doesn’t want to do it, but it’s always an option, and I agree a very difficult animal to language.
@Justanotherteacher , thank you for the input on applied science, that’s really encouraging too.
@noblegiraffe , do you think 4 is just too much work? She was thinking because the applied science isn’t an A level that it would be an extra, so she had 3 A levels as required by lots of places, plus a back up.
@Catopia - thank you. She’s pretty good at Makaton and uses it with my other daughter who is non verbal. I hadn’t really thought that it would make her more interesting 😁, but life experience wise she’s seen and absorbed a lot of medical stuff , tube feeding, unsafe swallow, etc.

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Catopia · 24/08/2024 18:28

It looks like for SALT they generally don't have specific requirements, but some say a combination of arts and sciences is preferred. I gather that this is because of some of the more clinical SALT roles, it can be quite scientific, when it comes to things like swallow-reflexes due to digestive issues or eating disorders, for example, rather than working with people with other types of communication issues, which makes the natural science choice biology (which is less maths based, perhaps frustratingly for her).

However, some are just a UCAS points tariff still. Unless a subject is an absolute requirement, my general advice would always be to simply maximise getting the best grades by taking strongest subjects.

Perhaps on the side, she could think about something like taking BSL or makaton classes, which may well make her a more interesting candidate?

redskydarknight · 24/08/2024 18:05

TizerorFizz · 23/08/2024 00:01

I still would not choose 2 English degrees. Both are respected but it’s unusual to do both. Lit is more commonly offered.

@gluenotsoup As she’s got two academic A levels, she’s got a bit of leeway with the third. Drama and expressing yourself is never a bad thing. Unless she’s Oxbridge bound, Drama won’t be an issue. If she’s glazing over at the idea of politics, is English Language her thing? My DDs would have run a mile from that.

DD has met an awful lot of students taking both English Lang and English Lit at open days. So it doesn't seem that unusual.

Taking both is no more a poor choice than taking biology and chemistry "because they are both science".

(I know OP's DC doesn't want to take English Lit, but there's an awful lot of rubbish being spouted on here about taking 2 English A levels).

Justanotherteacher · 24/08/2024 16:57

You asked about BTEC applied science a few posts back. I’ve taught the BTEC extended certificate in Applied Science for years. It’s definitely accepted as a science qualification by some good universities. Looking at that profile of GCSE results, she’d probably get at least a distinction (assuming she continues to work hard). It’s a good course when it’s delivered properly. She should ask which optional unit they deliver. Lots of centres do unit 8 which is biology based.

noblegiraffe · 24/08/2024 16:51

She’s thinking 3 solid A levels with Eng lang (won’t consider lit), history and maybe sociology with the applied science as a 4th.

There’s no way she should be taking 4 A-levels (or equivalents).

MarchingFrogs · 24/08/2024 16:49

FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 15:42

I think Google the universities near you/that you're interested in and the courses.

Near me it seems you can do SaLT or Occupational therapy with any 3 a levels as long as they're B+ HOWEVER both courses I looked at needed a 5 in maths..

City, Leeds Beckett and BCU only require a 4.

MrsHamlet · 24/08/2024 16:34

I still would not choose 2 English degrees. Both are respected but it’s unusual to do both. Lit is more commonly offered.

It's really not that unusual to do both! The subject content is very different, and Lang in particular is nothing like GCSE.

gluenotsoup · 24/08/2024 16:14

Thanks x

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FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 15:42

I think Google the universities near you/that you're interested in and the courses.

Near me it seems you can do SaLT or Occupational therapy with any 3 a levels as long as they're B+ HOWEVER both courses I looked at needed a 5 in maths..

gluenotsoup · 24/08/2024 15:39

Moving away from the sciences then, what could she do with History/ English language, sociology? Other combinations are available 😊

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clary · 24/08/2024 15:38

TizerorFizz · 24/08/2024 14:23

@clary Yes. Adequate. Not the best. Don't most schools use double for middle and lower sets and not top set? I would just feel a dc who wants a science career would be not 6-7 and would be top set and doing the longer syllabus.

It's perfectly fine to take science A levels with double science.

Many science teachers on MN have said so and I know students who have done it.

Schools vary in how they allocate double or triple. Sone schools have more able students taking triple, but plenty offer it as an option for anyone. Taking double doesn't mean you are academically weak. Some schools don't even offer triple.

gluenotsoup · 24/08/2024 15:35

No, I agree she’s probably not STEM, but there are options in that field of work that link. It’s her choice.
Psychology is off the table as she’s not got the 5 in maths. Sociology was put forward as an alternative, some options just aren’t open with the 4. She’s got to choose something and we’re trying to find the best mix to keep as much open as possible while playing to her strengths and options universities might like.

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FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 15:11

Psychology is and a good mix of essays and science. I'd really push the psychology if possible as it's quite a popular degree option and it's good to have a science if she choose salt too.

I wouldn't do more than 3.

TizerorFizz · 24/08/2024 15:08

Is sociology a science? I just think she’s not a STEM DD. There are careers that aren’t stem.

gluenotsoup · 24/08/2024 15:01

Thank you for the opinions and advice everyone.
In short, the 7/6 is combined science, 2 grades over three subjects. She opted for combined over triple because she also wanted to do drama and not be too science heavy. She’s had a dreadful time with teachers leaving, having supply teachers and worked hard so it’s a fair set of results. The pressure the students feel- in my experience- is that the results should be an 8 or 9 to be seen as good but it’s still the equivalent of an A and B and not to be shot down.
She doesn’t want to do science to go to study medicine, but is aware that science based subjects will keep her options wide for other areas - eg, speech and language, radiology, nursing, dental therapy etc, and because she doesn’t know what she wants she doesn’t know how to best direct her studies.
Forensic science- I think it’s too much of an outlier to be useful and if she can’t do biology with the 4 in maths then maybe applied science a level equivalent would be more useful? She’s thinking 3 solid A levels with Eng lang (won’t consider lit), history and maybe sociology with the applied science as a 4th. She’s requesting a review for the maths at 3 marks off, but I know it’s a long shot. The college are not being flexible with it.
Psychology - she’s disappointed but accepts English in its place as she knows she could probably still study it at degree without it, and sociology has some overlap. It’s more the biology, with the psychology or sociology to be a second science based.

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FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 14:35

No round here triple science if offered is an option block for most schools so at 13 you might well not opt for it.

I old money it's an A and a B in science which is fine for psychology and probably biology its only the maths that's stopped her.

TizerorFizz · 24/08/2024 14:23

@clary Yes. Adequate. Not the best. Don't most schools use double for middle and lower sets and not top set? I would just feel a dc who wants a science career would be not 6-7 and would be top set and doing the longer syllabus.

noblegiraffe · 24/08/2024 12:05

3 marks off a grade 5 is extremely unlikely to change on review in maths.

clary · 24/08/2024 12:03

TizerorFizz · 24/08/2024 11:57

@NotDonna One of my DDs did combined science and one overall grade was awarded. So not 6/7 because 3 sciences were studied. Has it changed? DD1, who didn’t see herself as a scientist, studied three separately. I thought most DC who favoured science did this? Not sure if all comps offer that, but they should. I’m not convinced DD is seen as a scientist by the school and advice on GCSEs 2 years ago. She’s ended up being better at other subjects so the sciences at A level look to be a bit of a stretch to get anywhere near a decent grade. Then what?

Yes double science has been two grades for a long time now. You get two number grades - they are either the same (5-5, 8-8) or differ by one grade only (6-7). It's an average of scores across the three sciences so if one is stronger and another weaker, that will affect the score.

Double science is perfectly adequate as a lead-in to A levels - might just need a bit of catch-up on content (depending too on how many of the A level cohort did separate sciences).

TizerorFizz · 24/08/2024 11:57

@NotDonna One of my DDs did combined science and one overall grade was awarded. So not 6/7 because 3 sciences were studied. Has it changed? DD1, who didn’t see herself as a scientist, studied three separately. I thought most DC who favoured science did this? Not sure if all comps offer that, but they should. I’m not convinced DD is seen as a scientist by the school and advice on GCSEs 2 years ago. She’s ended up being better at other subjects so the sciences at A level look to be a bit of a stretch to get anywhere near a decent grade. Then what?

NotDonna · 24/08/2024 08:25

I agree that she really needs to push her favoured options with college IF she’s really keen & determined to work hard. She may have more chance with psychol than biology. But defo push. College won’t know her attitude or determination so it’s worth her trying to convince them.
Have you requested a review of the maths @gluenotsoup and determined how close she was to a 5. That info may help her cause.

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 24/08/2024 06:58

If she really wants to do Biology and she was a few marks off the 5 in Maths, have you genuinely exhausted that? I mean she got great grades in Science.......

FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 06:34

Ha snap Not Donna. Id be happy with a student getting high scores in science and essays subjects as in a way that's ideal for psychology.

FriendlyRobin · 24/08/2024 06:33

I can see why she's upset. If she'd been thinking biology /psychology and been thinking of a future that had some science in it or even going to study psychology at uni.

I wonder if there's any chance they'd let he run with psychology given shes got good science results.

To change from doing what you thought was biology and psychology to 3 essay subjects is quite a hard adjustment for her.

The school suggestions might not be a bad idea as it sonly is parents that think in terms of A levels and other options ar valid for uni entrance. (but do check unis you might be interested in)

It might mean she could still do psychology at uni for example.

NotDonna · 24/08/2024 06:30

@gluenotsoup how keen is your DD to keep the psychology option? Also how likely is that maths to move up from a 4 after review? Do you know how close it was to a 5? Was she getting much higher in mocks etc? If yes to the above, I’d go back to college and get her to plead her case. Her overall results aren’t bad at all. If college dig their heels in maybe ask if she can start with psychology and resit maths in November? She’d need to be confident that she’d get minimum of a 5 though.

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