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A level art regradiing

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overitall100 · 16/08/2024 20:31

Hello. My dd received her A level results yesterday and though they aren't bad, we are really confused by her art one. She followed the AQA guidelines which most others did not, so she did many mediums and a whole load of research with some great books that were used as an example to the class.
One of her friends got much higher and had done one medium throughout. As lovely as the work is I don't understand how their gradings were so different.

It has been a huge struggle the whole last year as her art teacher has zero enthusiasm and often didn't update with important information when she promised to.
DD's grading went up, down, up, down and we never knew where she was at. Even in the exam the teacher pulled a rude face when she looked at my dd's piece and was praising others which threw dd a bit.

I have spoken to the school and strangely the person I spoke to didn't disagree with some of my points but also said "well, it's subjective" which worried me as are art teachers allowed to grade art on their own preferences?

DD luckily has unconditional offers so is very lucky. Her art teacher just frowned when she told her excitedly about that and said "I wish they'd stop giving those out". No well done or anything.

I am tempted to get the art regraded just because I feel the teacher just doesn't like my DD, which may sound paranoid but she never once said anything nice about DD's work. I am also aware that the teacher's DS wanted to date my DD and DD wasn't in to that which is interesting as the teacher was much nicer to DD years ago before this happened.

Is it worth it? Really we just want explanations to help DD moving forward but have met a brick wall so far.

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overitall100 · 24/08/2024 15:43

@Lostmykeys thanks - agree forward thinking is important. Thank you.
The breach was quite a serious one really so I feel it is important to address it. Partly because the dept is sloppy and kids deserve better.

I’ve no doubt the future is bright for my dd and she will love whatever she focuses on next.

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Lostmykeys · 24/08/2024 15:15

There doesn’t appear to have been a breach in the technical sense of an exam breach.
my advice would be to take this up with the head of centre.
In the creative world it is highly unlikely she will be asked for her a level grades. It will be her portfolio and current relevant outcomes and specialism that she is judged on.
she is likely to specialise in a particular genre once she has done her foundation course and this will be the career opener for her, it her a level grades.
I completely understand your frustration but would be future focused on her next steps.

overitall100 · 24/08/2024 13:35

@Lostmykeys can I please ask what happens when an art exam has been breached?

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overitall100 · 24/08/2024 13:34

@Amc999 ive messaged you. Sorry to hear that.

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Amc999 · 24/08/2024 10:14

Wow - this is so helpful. I'm living the same nightmare right now with a teacher and school that has seriously failed my daughter. I will use some of the points raised and thank everyone for their comments 😥

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 16:55

Lostmykeys · 17/08/2024 13:44

I have extensive experience of creative A levels. Depending on the spec there is no essay they complete, at my centre we offer AQA only. Your daughter should have had points throughout the course whereby she was given the grade she was working at with how to improve. This work would be demonstrated through her sketch books. Parent’s evenings would have given you the opportunity to discuss this with her teacher.
your daughter would have gone into the exam aware of where her coursework was sitting and therefore the potential outcome she was working towards. She would have also had a mock art exam too which would have given an indication of her forecast grade.
If you are a non specialist it is very difficult to compare other students work with your daughter’s. There are so many different nuances.
The creative A levels always require so much work and a grade that is below what was expected can be difficult to accept. A
review of marking is unusual because of what I have outlined above and does come with a note of caution; marks can go down.
I would suggest celebrating her place on an arts course and focus energies into that.

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Thank you for your input.
Some of what you say has been accurate ie mock etc but a serious amount of it also sadly was not the case. The books were not looked much and any enquiries requesting updates - vague responses or ignored. Once we were told in emails they were really happy with the work and grade went right up and then down again the next report even though a lot of work had been added. The reason made no sense.
It has been a really depressing experience because of the lack of passion and we were warned at the beginning by other parents that the dept didn’t seem to care.
What I really want is to get to the root of the issue and now I know that we should have had markings in June I am really not happy. I also do not want others to have this happen to them.
Of course, we are really thrilled for the future so I am going to just deal with this issue in a business like manner and then move on.

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overitall100 · 17/08/2024 15:00

MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 14:00

I agree that you should. But I don't think a review of the marking is possible now.

Will investigate!

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MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 14:00

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 13:31

I will be taking it up with them. Really unacceptable.

I agree that you should. But I don't think a review of the marking is possible now.

Lostmykeys · 17/08/2024 13:44

I have extensive experience of creative A levels. Depending on the spec there is no essay they complete, at my centre we offer AQA only. Your daughter should have had points throughout the course whereby she was given the grade she was working at with how to improve. This work would be demonstrated through her sketch books. Parent’s evenings would have given you the opportunity to discuss this with her teacher.
your daughter would have gone into the exam aware of where her coursework was sitting and therefore the potential outcome she was working towards. She would have also had a mock art exam too which would have given an indication of her forecast grade.
If you are a non specialist it is very difficult to compare other students work with your daughter’s. There are so many different nuances.
The creative A levels always require so much work and a grade that is below what was expected can be difficult to accept. A
review of marking is unusual because of what I have outlined above and does come with a note of caution; marks can go down.
I would suggest celebrating her place on an arts course and focus energies into that.

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 13:31

MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 13:19

Well that's a mess up by the centre, but I don't think you can do anything about it at this stage, sadly.

I will be taking it up with them. Really unacceptable.

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MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 13:19

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 12:57

@MrsHamlet It transpires my dd (and her friend - don’t know about others) never received the marks. So it seems there has been a breech.
If only they had then we wouldn’t be here now wondering. I did ask for an update also while she working towards the exam and was promised one but they didn’t bother.

Well that's a mess up by the centre, but I don't think you can do anything about it at this stage, sadly.

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 13:02

burnoutbabe · 17/08/2024 09:45

Though competitive graduate schemes may check a levels (ie law) and rule out say below a b in anything.

So depends what future plans are really.

Exactly. And at 18 who knows what they might want to do in the future so this is important.

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overitall100 · 17/08/2024 12:57

@MrsHamlet It transpires my dd (and her friend - don’t know about others) never received the marks. So it seems there has been a breech.
If only they had then we wouldn’t be here now wondering. I did ask for an update also while she working towards the exam and was promised one but they didn’t bother.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2024 11:25

MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 11:22

Art is not the same as other subjects - the exam is internally marked and externally moderated. Candidates should have been given their marks (not grades) before the marks were submitted to the board. The time to question those was then. It's now too late, unless the centre chooses to have the whole lot remoderated.

Yes, this so true. I’d forgotten about this.

MrsHamlet · 17/08/2024 11:22

Art is not the same as other subjects - the exam is internally marked and externally moderated. Candidates should have been given their marks (not grades) before the marks were submitted to the board. The time to question those was then. It's now too late, unless the centre chooses to have the whole lot remoderated.

burnoutbabe · 17/08/2024 09:45

Needanadultgapyear · 17/08/2024 09:26

Your final paragraph is you would like to help DD move forward. The biggest thing to this is she has an unconditional place where she wants to go so this one mark will not affect her future. B 6 months time no one will care what she got in her A-level art. She should focus on her future that she can change not her past which she can't change.

Though competitive graduate schemes may check a levels (ie law) and rule out say below a b in anything.

So depends what future plans are really.

Needanadultgapyear · 17/08/2024 09:26

Your final paragraph is you would like to help DD move forward. The biggest thing to this is she has an unconditional place where she wants to go so this one mark will not affect her future. B 6 months time no one will care what she got in her A-level art. She should focus on her future that she can change not her past which she can't change.

overitall100 · 17/08/2024 00:10

OraettaMayflower · 16/08/2024 22:55

My DD had the same issue a few years ago and this was the response that we got from the school:
Over the weekend, Mr X and I met to discuss the marks awarded and compared them with the national average results. Because of the rigour of the new examination specification, the grade boundaries have changed significantly and with the exception of students achieving an A* in Fine Art (which has increased this year for AQA) A-E grades nationally have declined. Yesterday I arranged an external re- moderation of the portfolios to see whether it was advisable to have the work marked again. However it was concluded that the marks awarded from AQA were in tolerance of the new linear framework and that a re-mark would not be advisable.

don't know if this helps or not.

Thanks for this. It helps to know how they think.
It is so far removed from anything creative that I wonder why they examine art.

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OraettaMayflower · 16/08/2024 22:55

My DD had the same issue a few years ago and this was the response that we got from the school:
Over the weekend, Mr X and I met to discuss the marks awarded and compared them with the national average results. Because of the rigour of the new examination specification, the grade boundaries have changed significantly and with the exception of students achieving an A* in Fine Art (which has increased this year for AQA) A-E grades nationally have declined. Yesterday I arranged an external re- moderation of the portfolios to see whether it was advisable to have the work marked again. However it was concluded that the marks awarded from AQA were in tolerance of the new linear framework and that a re-mark would not be advisable.

don't know if this helps or not.

overitall100 · 16/08/2024 22:49

LIZS · 16/08/2024 22:29

The grade can only be assessed on the work submitted. You stated your dd read and worked to the AQA mark scheme but is it possible she overlooked some elements or lost some of her creativity in being overly literal. Teachers can only have limited input.

Other students 100% overlooked elements and still did well. Creativity wise - I can honestly say as someone who works in the industry that there was masses of individual creative input.
I wouldn't be posting here if I felt otherwise.

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LIZS · 16/08/2024 22:29

The grade can only be assessed on the work submitted. You stated your dd read and worked to the AQA mark scheme but is it possible she overlooked some elements or lost some of her creativity in being overly literal. Teachers can only have limited input.

overitall100 · 16/08/2024 22:22

Thinking about some responses here...

The teacher did not do what she promised which was to let us know of gaps that needed working on (which she clearly felt were there giving dd a lower grade)

So what can be done?

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overitall100 · 16/08/2024 22:00

Boidont · 16/08/2024 21:51

Not much help, but my art teacher was an absolute witch. I got a D and she told me I’d never have a career in the arts.
I’ve been working my dream job since I left college! (Which is about as artistic as you can get.)
I hear my coursework was still used as a ‘what not to do’ example in her class as of two years ago.
I too wonder how art can be graded as it is subjective. I know how rubbish that feels so sympathy for your DD. 😡

Such great news and congrats on not letting these soul suckers stop you from achieving your dream.
What is wrong with these people? They give good art teachers a bad name.
How dare she use your work like that.
I too work in the creative industry and know what is expected of people these days to do well. We have been tip toeing around this teacher for a couple of years now and she seems very controlling.
Hate to hear of anyone being put down when we all need lifting up! I have come to the conclusion that their mean comments come from their own self doubt. Thank you for your thoughts on it.

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Boidont · 16/08/2024 21:51

Not much help, but my art teacher was an absolute witch. I got a D and she told me I’d never have a career in the arts.
I’ve been working my dream job since I left college! (Which is about as artistic as you can get.)
I hear my coursework was still used as a ‘what not to do’ example in her class as of two years ago.
I too wonder how art can be graded as it is subjective. I know how rubbish that feels so sympathy for your DD. 😡

overitall100 · 16/08/2024 21:49

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/08/2024 21:45

Oh! Maybe I’m wrong then. It’s 3 years ago!

And also it is so nice to talk to someone who I can tell is kind with kids. This teacher was as hard as nails and really didn't seem to care at all.

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