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Guilt of moving schools

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Whatsernom · 05/08/2024 17:56

We are currently at a ok to good private girls school but with the new Labor government meaning VAT on school fees we can't really afford to keep sending our 13 year old there anymore. Especially as we have an 11 year old who will be going into Year 8 in Sep 2025. This is too much of a financial burden despite the fact that both me and mu husband earn 100k each. We have one school near us (Gordon's in West End) which we did not get into. They are oversubscribed every year and despite living in the area for 10 years newbies have moved into the new developments nearby which ousted us out. I am so torn with moving her. The only choice we now have is Collingwood. I keep hearing mixed things about this school - mainly negative. I feel awful and wish we had thought all this through before. Perhaps moving closer to Gordons or just to a completely different area. Anyone in and around the West End/ Bisley area who can offer advice and some words of wisdom. A huge part of me feels like a failure for not having thought this through.

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Crazytimes73 · 12/08/2024 14:06

We are local to you and have 2 kids at Gordon's. I understand your frustration of living here for years but yes lots of new houses means less than 1000m is the norm. Have you visited all the schools? You really need to get a good feeling of them all before making a decision like moving house?

SheilaFentiman · 10/08/2024 10:29

MiseryIn · 10/08/2024 08:43

I've just re read. Your younger daughter is at primary still? Why mention that she goes into year 8 in 2025? I assume the school starts at year 7 or year 9 so where is your younger daughter now?

I think that was a typo and the younger one goes into year 7 in sep 2025.

See this other info from the OP:

”It's the pressure of then having the second one go in next year”

MiseryIn · 10/08/2024 08:43

I've just re read. Your younger daughter is at primary still? Why mention that she goes into year 8 in 2025? I assume the school starts at year 7 or year 9 so where is your younger daughter now?

MiseryIn · 10/08/2024 08:40

The reality is that you can afford to keep them there. You don't want to change your lifestyle.

You earn a huge wage and I'm wiling to bet there are other things you can sacrifice. Cheaper or less holidays? Downgrade cars? Extra curricular activities?

I understand that the area is expensive and that life is expensive but there are ways. Move them at year 12. There is always a lot of movement then anyway.

You seem to only be talking about the 13 year old - are you only moving her?

SheilaFentiman · 09/08/2024 21:58

Choosealane · 09/08/2024 21:50

Why don't you apply for boarding places instead?

Why would you suggest this considerably more expensive path when the issue is the increased cost with VAT?

Choosealane · 09/08/2024 21:50

Why don't you apply for boarding places instead?

PettsWoodParadise · 09/08/2024 21:40

OP DD moved from private to state and it worked excellently for her. She was happier at the state school than the selective private one, the teachers at the state school more engaged and responsive. Admittedly 8 years ago now and at a more natural transition from primary to secondary but I’ve know many others who’ve done similar at different times and - important note - with good communication, it works out.

Whatsernom · 09/08/2024 14:53

Thank you for the healthy debate and weight in's. It has given me further room for thought. I have already started sending in enquiries and applications. It does cost over £7,000 a term and this is not including anything else (uniform, lunches, extra curricular activities, trips). Yes our mortgage is pretty high and living in the area is not cheap. We have thought about downsizing everything - house, car, and already have been sacrificing holidays every year. It's the pressure of then having the second one go in next year. As many of you have said. They will be ok. No point in making life pants and adding pressure on ourselves for as one of you said, "an ok school" Both myself and DH went to state school so nothing against them at all. What will be will be.

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PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 15:30

It is probably only hot air that is pleasing some ears and not something they would actually do

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 15:03

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 15:01

hm but you were saying that they want to abolish private schools. Her words are not about it. She is talking about marketisation and further expansion of privatisation of education. Quite a different thing

I said that the agenda comes from a desire to abolish private schools, not that they are actively trying to abolish them. So the underlying principle is that they disagree with private schools and in ideal world, yes, they would abolish them. This then drives their agenda and policy.

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 15:01

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 14:54

Of course it doesn't, I'm not stupid. What it does show though is her core belief about private schools which you said you didn't believe she/Labour hold. You don't think they are out specifically to attack private schools, I'm saying that they are and the evidence comes directly from statements like this from Raynor and Reeves.

hm but you were saying that they want to abolish private schools. Her words are not about it. She is talking about marketisation and further expansion of privatisation of education. Quite a different thing

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 14:54

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 14:51

Twistyizzy that doesn't say that Labour will shut all private schools down. Those are only Angela's words and tbh the marketisation of education is spinning wool on the parents eyes. I am saying it- a person who spent 30 yrs working in marketing.
Privatisation is driven by demand and should be but like that not based on the nonsense fake league tables and tricks with Leavers Destinations etc.

Of course it doesn't, I'm not stupid. What it does show though is her core belief about private schools which you said you didn't believe she/Labour hold. You don't think they are out specifically to attack private schools, I'm saying that they are and the evidence comes directly from statements like this from Raynor and Reeves.

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 14:51

Twistyizzy that doesn't say that Labour will shut all private schools down. Those are only Angela's words and tbh the marketisation of education is spinning wool on the parents eyes. I am saying it- a person who spent 30 yrs working in marketing.
Privatisation is driven by demand and should be but like that not based on the nonsense fake league tables and tricks with Leavers Destinations etc.

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 14:34

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 14:21

Cannot find anything as that

OK well to paraphrase: Raynor pledged that her party would “end the marketisation and privatisation of our education” in a clip from 2018 and that "best system for our young people’s education is a comprehensive state system".
In 2019 Rayner gave her support to a Labour conference motion which called for all funds and properties held by private schools to be “redistributed democratically and fairly” to other schools and for private schools to be converted into comprehensives.

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 14:21

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 13:45

Do your own research. I've put links up on many of these kind of posts before. Look up her 2018 statement as an example

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Cannot find anything as that

Gardendiary · 07/08/2024 13:51

Sorry you're in this predicament OP. I work in education and I think I would move into the catchment of a smaller state school with a good reputation if that were possible. I'm not in London, so unfortunately can't advise on the specifics, other than to say that although not ideal, a lot of pupils move throughout their school lives and the vast majority settle in very well. The time when it becomes difficult is in years 10 and 11 when they have already started on particular exam syllabuses, but this is not your situation, so please don't beat yourself up about it.

Blinkingbonkers · 07/08/2024 13:49

If anyone thinks that vat on private schools is going to create in any way enough £ to improve funding for state education they have obv not looked at the updated stats that show that it’ll most likely generate less than half of what Labour anticipated. If all their economic policies are this out of whack with reality I’m not holding out much hope for public services in general🙈

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 13:45

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 13:44

Link please

Do your own research. I've put links up on many of these kind of posts before. Look up her 2018 statement as an example

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 13:44

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 13:26

Fine, don't believe me. I won't lose any sleep over it but you may want to check out the historical statements and speeches from Raynor and Reeves. All readily available as is the Labour conference vote to abolish private schools (before they realised that they couldn't just do that).

Link please

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 13:26

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 13:22

@twistyizzy
And I'm "just explaining to you" that it is 100% based on the principle that this Labour government wants to attack and abolish private schools.

I don't believe in it for an inch. Who would be the " Bad ones"then? Who would "Robin Starmer" take from to give to "the poor"?

UK has unbelievable income from boarding schools full of kids from abroad.
They will never ever resign from private schools

Fine, don't believe me. I won't lose any sleep over it but you may want to check out the historical statements and speeches from Raynor and Reeves. All readily available as is the Labour conference vote to abolish private schools (before they realised that they couldn't just do that).

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 13:22

@twistyizzy
And I'm "just explaining to you" that it is 100% based on the principle that this Labour government wants to attack and abolish private schools.

I don't believe in it for an inch. Who would be the " Bad ones"then? Who would "Robin Starmer" take from to give to "the poor"?

UK has unbelievable income from boarding schools full of kids from abroad.
They will never ever resign from private schools

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 11:03

Parsley1234 · 07/08/2024 11:01

@twistyizzy Blair did withdraw the assisted school places incentive

Sorry yes you are correct!

Parsley1234 · 07/08/2024 11:01

@twistyizzy Blair did withdraw the assisted school places incentive

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2024 10:57

@AdultChildQuestion Sometimes that’s very difficult. It costs to move house too and sometimes the cost differential isn’t that big. You will pay legal fees, agent fees and stamp duty too! You need quite a big differential to get the VAT element for 3 dc for 14 years.

twistyizzy · 07/08/2024 10:50

PeachSalad · 07/08/2024 10:42

You are talking as if I was Labour party and you tried to convince me. I was just explaining to you that it is not based on infantile idea of " they don't like private schools". Political parties care about themselves. And what they do is just a show. Show by Tories to cut the civil servants after Blair. Now Robin Hood show take from private and give to state. It is not about of it is enough or not. It is about movement that people will believe in. Never mind the logic
Robin Hood would not exist without the rich. Who would he take the money from? So don't tell me that they don't need the " badies" the rich and they don't like it. They do. They need it for the game

And I'm "just explaining to you" that it is 100% based on the principle that this Labour government wants to attack and abolish private schools.
Blair and New Labour left private and grammar schools alone for a reason yet they still managed to successfully fund state schools. It isn't the fault of private schools that the state sector is under funded.

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