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How badly would my daughter get bullied for having a different accent?

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rosebloomed · 27/07/2024 21:19

we are moving from Canada and my daughter will be doing her final year of secondary school in Scotland. She told me her British friend told her she’ll most likely get bullied because of her Canadian accent. How true is this? Should we be worried? Would she have a hard time fitting in and making friends?

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BobbyBiscuits · 28/07/2024 12:00

Any accent other than a Scottish one could provoke a certain amount of teasing maybe, but I'd say that will die down once she's settled in.
It could well be considered to be quite cool and interesting. I'm imagining a lot will mistake her for being American though. But I guess that could happen anywhere!

WouldUSayImWorthy · 28/07/2024 11:58

So you propose that Scotland junks its hundred years old education system because....what exactly?

Andtheykepton · 28/07/2024 11:56

Why are separate legal systems ‘understandable’ but separate education systems are not?
We’re a separate country. We even had our own football team in the Euros (briefly) 🤣
The tax rates are different here too.

MistressIggi · 28/07/2024 11:54

There is no case for changing though. (And I'm assuming you mean Scotland changing to the rUk system, not the other way around!) To whose benefit? Education has always been different in Scotland, and is now devolved to the Scottish Parliament anyway. How much money would be involved in scrapping an entire exam system? Our school years are also not the same (no reception, for example).

Needanewname42 · 28/07/2024 11:49

WouldUSayImWorthy · 28/07/2024 11:40

Because @Needanewname42 Scotland and England are separate countries with different education, legal systems, etc.

I know that they are different countries. But it makes little sense that the education systems have never merged into one system.

Why is so much money spent on separate circulums?
Separate exam systems?

Much of it seems like being different because we can be different.

Legal systems I get but not education.

WouldUSayImWorthy · 28/07/2024 11:40

Because @Needanewname42 Scotland and England are separate countries with different education, legal systems, etc.

Needanewname42 · 28/07/2024 11:36

OlympicsFanGirl · 28/07/2024 11:12

@Waitformetoarrive

What are A-levels?

Have you not bothered to research education in the* uk?*

Why would someone moving to Scotland need to research A Levels?

Being fair other posters probably threw her by saying A levels.

And actually while I get the whole it's historic reasons etc in the 21st century why does the UK continue to have separate education systems and exams.

theeyeofdoe · 28/07/2024 11:21

Could the person who doesn’t have the new job stay with her in Canada to finish the last year of school and then she could go to uni here.
it wouldn’t make any difference for funding as she’s be considered an overseas student anyway, so wouldn’t be eligible for loans/home student fees.

OlympicsFanGirl · 28/07/2024 11:12

@Waitformetoarrive

What are A-levels?

Have you not bothered to research education in the* uk?*

Why would someone moving to Scotland need to research A Levels?

Andtheykepton · 28/07/2024 09:20

@Needanewname42

I teach in a ‘challenging’ inner city school.

That means that the council houses in the area are the least popular with locals.
This in turn means that if a family arrives in the city needing accommodation - most of the available places are in this area.
We have previously had a significant number of migrant families - mostly Eastern European. Less so since Brexit.

We have had Syrian refugee families.
Afghanistani refugee families.
Ukranian refugee families.

We also have many children whose parents come to either work or study at the university. Again, the available housing is in this area.
They don’t always arrive in time for the courses to start. Many are Asian, currently we have a fair few that started last year who came from Nigeria or Ghana.

In my school the general rule is that if a child arrives before the October holidays we’ll do our best to aim for exams. After October we will try for alternatives such as NPA (no exam) courses.

If the arrive after Christmas we’ll do what we can but no promises - this might involve focussing on only 1 or 2 subjects or trying just to get an English or Maths qualification.

This sort of thing generally doesn’t happen in the ‘best’ schools - simply because the available social housing is in the poorest areas so that’s where the vast majority of migrants and even locals who unexpectedly move areas end up.

Chemenger · 28/07/2024 08:59

I agree that @Andtheykepton has given the most sensible and comprehensive answer here. I really struggle to see what the people talking about the English (Welsh and NI) system think they are adding to the thread, other than confusion.
I would recommend getting in touch with admissions at one of the big Edinburgh private schools for a chat about options. They are used to having expat pupils at all stages and if necessary will be more open to having flexibility about what year your DD joins. Even if you don’t want to go private this will give you an idea of the educational landscape. Watsons, Heriots, St George’s and Mary Erskine will all have an experience with Canadian in comers, I’m sure.

weebarra · 28/07/2024 08:55

If she's over compulsory school age, which she is, schools may not accept her. I work in education in Edinburgh and this has been an issue for several young people I'm aware of.
The residence issue for university is also a biggie - to avoid being treated like an international student and paying fees, you need to have been resident in Scotland for three years - this applies to college too!

GonnaeNoDaeThatJustGonnaeNo · 28/07/2024 08:50

Andtheykepton · 28/07/2024 07:33

Lots of weird (and wrong) answers here.

Yes our curriculum starts in June so you’ve already missed a month.
Yes you can do Highers in S6.
No one is going to care about her accent (38 different languages spoken in my school)
Kids generally turn 18 at some point in S6.
Some kids don’t bother with S6 and go to uni after S5, that’s why some are 17 when they go to uni but it’s really not that common.
Yes you’ll get a place in school but you might not get the subjects you want as some classes will be full already.
Perfectly possible for her to succeed in S6 but it will mean working very very hard to catch up.
There are a number of routes to get to uni though. Some have 2+2 courses where you go to college to do the first 2 years (HND) and then Uni for last 2 years to complete an honours degree. This generally has lower entrance requirements as first 2 years are college, and the transfer to uni only happens if you pass the first 2 years.
We had a number of Ukrainian children arrive at our school in August or even September/October 2022. Some were in sixth year. They did Highers. Those with decent English skills and who worked hard passed their Highers and went off to Uni last September. The biggest difference there by the sounds of it is that the Ukrainian children were generally ahead of the Scottish children and the main issue was English language. It sounds like Canadian education might be behind Scotland (though no issues with English)

Most sensible post on this thread.

OP you might want to consider posting on Scotsnet. That will weed out all the incorrect English A Level type answers.

user906532 · 28/07/2024 08:47

Pretty shocked you're worried about her accent and haven't looked at all at the actual important thing of education?!

FreshHellscape · 28/07/2024 08:44

She wont get bullied as an 18yo for her accent.
Ignore any posters talking about "year 11" or "a levels". These are not part of the Scottish system so you can assume their advice is unreliable.

Contact the international office at a couple of Unis. They will advise you on what your daughter needs to do to top up on what she has already studied. She may be better going to a Further Education college than a school.

Good luck.

excanuk · 28/07/2024 08:43

I moved with my DC from Canada and there was no issue with their accent. In fact it made them popular! And like the pp opened lots of doors for them.

GonnaeNoDaeThatJustGonnaeNo · 28/07/2024 08:39

combinationpadlock · 27/07/2024 21:46

She wont be bullied for her accent at all. She will be bullied if she runs up against a bully, and they might mention her accent, but that wont be the reason.

This

Needanewname42 · 28/07/2024 08:37

@Andtheykepton
Where are the majority kids moving from if they are starting S6?

I'm surprised that it's so common for children to move in the last years of school.

I can only think of one child who joined school in S5. They were an army child who moved in with the grandparents to do Highers in S5, to avoid moving school mid year.

Andtheykepton · 28/07/2024 08:17

@Needanewname42
Any child born from Jan to June could turn 18 in S6.
Some Jan/Feb kids start school at 4, some go at 5. It’s probably more common to wait til 5 now.

OPs daughter won’t be the only one turning 18 in Jan/Feb

We’ve taken kids at 17 into S6 probably every year for the last 6 or so years and most years before that.
Not all will want/be capable of Highers.

Otherstories2002 · 28/07/2024 08:14

rosebloomed · 27/07/2024 23:20

we got a great job opportunity a few days ago and just had to take it since our DD was very supportive of it as well (she was already planning on attending uni in the UK). We didn’t think it would be so different from our own school system though..

seriously?!

Needanewname42 · 28/07/2024 07:47

Kids generally turn 18 at some point in S6.

Surely it's just the March-June baby's who turn 18 in S6.

The rest won't turn 18 until after they've left school with the exception of the kids who deferred school entry, mainly Jan & Feb babies. It was harder pre covid to defer Sept-Dec babies. You weren't guaranteed nursery funding without good reason.

Would a school be willing to take on a child at 17 into S6 who would be one of the oldest in the year? And who's already missed the June start?

Sprogonthetyne · 28/07/2024 07:43

OllyBJolly · 27/07/2024 22:30

It's quite different and probably better - my Canadian family are certainly confident, clever, rounded young adults so I wouldn't criticise Canadian education. (for example I think school curricula here should include Civics - which I think is about being a good citizen?)

It's on subjects like maths and sciences where they seem to be a year or so behind and that might be because they go to school for longer. Also French was compulsory but it was Quebecois French rather than the French taught here.

It doesn’t matter if its better, if the things she's been learning aren't going to be on the final exams, and other things she hasn't learnt are. That's not criticising Canadian education, that's pointing out a potential problem with moving systems during critical years.

The op may need to consider this when deciding where or which year group to enrolle the DD, so it's a valid thing to highlight.

Andtheykepton · 28/07/2024 07:33

Lots of weird (and wrong) answers here.

Yes our curriculum starts in June so you’ve already missed a month.
Yes you can do Highers in S6.
No one is going to care about her accent (38 different languages spoken in my school)
Kids generally turn 18 at some point in S6.
Some kids don’t bother with S6 and go to uni after S5, that’s why some are 17 when they go to uni but it’s really not that common.
Yes you’ll get a place in school but you might not get the subjects you want as some classes will be full already.
Perfectly possible for her to succeed in S6 but it will mean working very very hard to catch up.
There are a number of routes to get to uni though. Some have 2+2 courses where you go to college to do the first 2 years (HND) and then Uni for last 2 years to complete an honours degree. This generally has lower entrance requirements as first 2 years are college, and the transfer to uni only happens if you pass the first 2 years.
We had a number of Ukrainian children arrive at our school in August or even September/October 2022. Some were in sixth year. They did Highers. Those with decent English skills and who worked hard passed their Highers and went off to Uni last September. The biggest difference there by the sounds of it is that the Ukrainian children were generally ahead of the Scottish children and the main issue was English language. It sounds like Canadian education might be behind Scotland (though no issues with English)

TheaBrandt · 28/07/2024 06:56

What the hell have I just read?! Are you insane? No she can’t move school at this stage in her education she has to finish school where she is which she very nearly has. You need to delay the move or you go and you find her a place to stay with family / friends for a year to complete her education in Canada.

Honestly we were having a “can’t believe my parents did that” conversation with friends about our parents 90s parenting style this is worse than anything they did (one friends parents moved house smack in the middle of her a levels for example but at even that was a move locally)

Needanewname42 · 28/07/2024 06:53

MixieMatchie · 28/07/2024 05:39

I suspect this thread is really by a Canadian teenager who likes to daydream about moving to Scotland.

You could be right. Or they are being incredibly nieve if they think someone could jump into Highers without having done the Nat 5s before them.

Keeping in mind some subjects are bound to be different. I expect the English texts taught in Canada would be different to Scotland. Same with History.
Science and maths are probably the same. But who would want to move on that basis.

Also would schools even want to enter a student for the Higher exams if they aren't confident of them passing and the risk of them pulling their statistics down.

At 17 the child is beyond compulsory school age do schools have to accept them?

And actually lots of January babies will have completed 6th year this summer and be off to Uni. Only deferred entries will still be in school.

Would they not be better to go straight into college?