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Help! My non arty dd has been given gcse art!

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Hairyfairy01 · 19/07/2024 12:06

So the last day of term and school have emailed to say my dd is doing art and design gcse. This was not one of her preferred options, even from that 'block'. She has never shown any interest in Art. School are ignoring my emails and calls. I did know this was a possibility a few weeks ago and made my views clear via email then and my dd was under the impression she would be doing food nutrition instead, which at a push is fine. She struggles at school academically and will find it hard to get 5 GCSEs as it is, this now seems like a wasted GCSE to me.

Am I right to be going a bit mad over this? Any advice in the best way to handle it? I do understand that not every child will get what they want and you can't please everyone. But this just seems like madness.

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ScottishScouser · 19/07/2024 19:16

That was me…… I got a C and As in everything else

doesnt matter a jot - so don’t stress over it

AGoingConcern · 19/07/2024 19:10

OP, I understand your frustration, especially if you're worried about your DD getting 5 GCSEs to begin with.

But I'm gently going to say that I think the outrage on this thread is a little overblown. The vast majority of schools simply have to set up option blocks. It sounds like yours has three option blocks available, and your DD got her first choices in two of them - history and health and social care. Those are her absolute priorities and she got them, correct? So it's really only the third option block left, and of those course options your DD got her second choice because her first choice is full. No, it's not ideal. But a student getting their first choice in two blocks and their second choice in the third is not egregious, and I can see where the school would not be moving mountains to fix this.

I think you're going to have to take a deep breath, settle yourself and DD down, and review options for that third block. If food & nutrition stays full, is art the best of the rest? Find out what will be covered in art, D&T, and PE and what her medium/sport/project options within the course would be. If art is still her #2 then I'd just tell her it's ok for that to be a course that she doesn't worry about the exam grade on. Art (and D&T) can be a massive time suck but it could also be a pretty relaxing break in the day if you and she are able to frame it as just that and she doesn't invest time on it outside of lesson time. After that, stress to the school that your DD would really like to be on the waiting list to be moved into food & nutrition. And as courses progress, you can ask about dropping art for some sort of additional study period (schools call them different things) if your DD is really struggling with her more academic GCSEs.

Crowsruletheworld · 19/07/2024 18:20

Plus in the end she hated it so much. Her art folder is still at school! If she had brought it home she would have put it in the bin!!

youve987456 · 19/07/2024 17:09

If she doesn't like art definitely make a fuss. I did food tech because I hated art. I still hate anything arty. It would have been no good for my self esteem or mental health to have had to do art. I understand the need to do core subjects even if you don't like them but not art.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/07/2024 16:40

Has your dd been diagnosed with any SEN / additional needs? The school shouldn’t be treating her less favourably than children with no diagnosed needs. If she is, I’d ask for an explanation citing the disability clause under the Equality Act 2010.

As for PE. What sport does your dd do op? Could she do fewer hours of this sport and join a team sport out of school? Do be warned if you want to start filming yourself for any sport, it’s a lot of work. My dd did PE. School used their videos of Netball and I can’t remember what else (she had to do 4 sports). They had to film the students doing a range of activities in the sport to hit certain grade. Dd submitted videos of horse riding and dancing. Dancing wasn’t too bad. Dd has a few private lessons then near to submission date, we hired a hall to refilm the dance as she’d progressed from the summer the previous year. Riding was a nightmare. Lots and lots of videoing time for that one and we even filmed in France as the British riding schools are reluctant to jump their horses the required 90cm to get top grades. Plus as I say, the theory isn’t easy.

pizzaHeart · 19/07/2024 16:36

MrHarleyQuin · 19/07/2024 12:53

Email back and reject it. They can't make her do a subject. If they can't provide anything suitable in the time slot then suggest she has a free period instead of that subject and uses it to go to a quiet space/library and do homework.

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This^
especially if she struggles academically a free period will do her good. Art and design is a very time consuming subject even for those who are good at it.

UnitedOps · 19/07/2024 16:33

I picked Art GCSE and could just about draw a stick man! I was terrible at it. The teacher spent no time in teaching anything as it was assumed that those who chose the subject were already “good” at it. I just about submitted the portfolios by tracing 😂 but couldn’t sit the exam as I was terrible at drawing. It was a wasted GCSE. They also didn’t allow me to change to another subject (even though it was requested a few weeks after starting)! So, I would definitely make a fuss about it.

SummerSnowstorm · 19/07/2024 16:23

combinationpadlock · 19/07/2024 12:50

What is the point of doing GCSEs in subjects you are already good at? Surely the point of education is to improve in areas you are not good at?

What is the point in improving in art if you have no interest in it? It's not like maths or reading where it's necessary in adult life.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/07/2024 16:19

TeenToTwenties · 19/07/2024 13:05

Alternatively:

Accept it.
Do the lessons, view it as relaxation time. Expect to fail, no extra work, and use effort saved on other subjects.

Could work?

It doesn’t though.

As a teacher you have to hound kids not pulling their weight. It can make it really hard for them.

Emeraldpies · 19/07/2024 16:19

BobbyBiscuits · 19/07/2024 16:08

You can't force a kid into art GCSE when they've no interest or talent. They'd be setting her up to fail. I think it's terrible to push any subject on someone at options. Especially something that you can't just suddenly get good at by studying hard. I would be speaking to the school.
Find out why she can't do Food Nutrition? Thats more science and maths based, if she's more into those type subjects.
I hope they see sense and don't force her into doing it.

OP said she can't do Food and Nutrition because the classes are full.

IvyIvyIvy · 19/07/2024 16:14

Spend the summer reading carol decks growth mindset. Maybe this will be life-changing for your child. There is no such thing as 'arty'.

wp65 · 19/07/2024 16:13

I think you are right to make a huge fuss - it's not on to force a kid with no interest/ ability in art to do Art GCSE. (Secondary school teacher here.) it's an absolute joke.

BobandRobertaSmith · 19/07/2024 16:08

Is dance available as a team sport at her school, OP? Or is there something that is related to her main sport eg water polo/swimming, squash or badminton doubles/tennis singles? I feel like those might be less cliquey than more common school team sports 😂

BobbyBiscuits · 19/07/2024 16:08

You can't force a kid into art GCSE when they've no interest or talent. They'd be setting her up to fail. I think it's terrible to push any subject on someone at options. Especially something that you can't just suddenly get good at by studying hard. I would be speaking to the school.
Find out why she can't do Food Nutrition? Thats more science and maths based, if she's more into those type subjects.
I hope they see sense and don't force her into doing it.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/07/2024 16:08

combinationpadlock · 19/07/2024 12:50

What is the point of doing GCSEs in subjects you are already good at? Surely the point of education is to improve in areas you are not good at?

The point of education is to get exams as it stands currently.

Dojng something yoh are good at increases the chances of getting that qualification.

l used to teach art. Its actually a difficult subject. Lots of exploration and requires the ability to be very independent. It’s quite unstructured.

musicmum75 · 19/07/2024 16:03

Is it worth considering Digital Technology? My son is doing that and it's not too hard and at least gives useful life skills.

Dominicains · 19/07/2024 16:02

Not many people realise that education is devolved in Scotland, Wales and NI, so no worries!

Oblomov24 · 19/07/2024 15:58

I'd be emailing HoY and asking what can be done? Play dumb : Was there some mistake, did she submit late? Ie why did she not get her chosen subjects, or why no movement?

clary · 19/07/2024 15:50

Dominicains · 19/07/2024 15:42

@clary, we’re not in England. We don’t have Foundation and Higher papers here.

Ah ok. Not heard of single science capped at a C grade before, that’s all.

Dominicains · 19/07/2024 15:42

@clary, we’re not in England. We don’t have Foundation and Higher papers here.

Hairyfairy01 · 19/07/2024 15:41

I have spoken to her about PE. It's the team sport element she would struggle with. And she says the 'PE gang' are very clicky. But I agree, it shouldn't be dismissed and may well be a better option than art.

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clary · 19/07/2024 15:40

@caringcarer the food tech practical is early but the written exam is often one of the last. This year it was on 19 June. Not that that’s a reason not to take it.

TeenToTwenties · 19/07/2024 15:39

Food&Nutrition has quite a lot of theory.
Plus some of the practical work is experimenting & taste testing not just cooking. (Eduqas)

clary · 19/07/2024 15:39

@Hairyfairy01 if she does a sport out of school as you mention, PE might be a better option? Esp if she is interested in nutrition.

@Dominicains where are you with the letter grades? And what is single science with a max grade of C? Foundation maybe but that’s not a choice option time?

caringcarer · 19/07/2024 15:36

You are right to be concerned. If you can't draw, you are not artistic or creative GCSE Art is a nightmare. There is a huge portfolio of work to get through and the exam takes the entire day. Food nutrition is fine my teen son did it. It involved practical cooking as well as learning about nutrition. He enjoyed it and it's a useful skill to learn. Also the exam is early so it's out of the way before the other subjects appear.

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