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Are more of you planning to move your DC from private to state for 6th form now?

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WomensRightsRenegade · 17/07/2024 21:37

Apologies but just wondering this? My son is going into year 10 at a school he loves, but we are realising that even with a generous bursary, the 20pc VAT will mean it’s impossible for him to stay for 6th form.

I know it’s a transition phase anyway, but he will be very upset to leave as historically not many kids at the school have left then.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you.

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combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 10:14

SabrinaThwaite · 21/07/2024 10:11

Of course there is a choice - there isn't a single child in the country that does not have an option of STATE sixth form education, you are creating a non existent issue

And what happens if your nearest state schools don’t offer the A level mix that want to study? Say, you’re a gifted mathematician and want / need to study FM and it’s not available locally?

That’s not a non existent problem?

Nobody has to study FM. Of course there are always going to be options that are not available locally. My school doesn't offer German. A neighbouring school does not offer Mandarin etc. But people are claiming they can't use state sixth forms, but of course they can.

If you are desperate for a subject that you can't do for A level, then pick it up at uni. That is what people do

SabrinaThwaite · 21/07/2024 10:11

Of course there is a choice - there isn't a single child in the country that does not have an option of STATE sixth form education, you are creating a non existent issue

And what happens if your nearest state schools don’t offer the A level mix that want to study? Say, you’re a gifted mathematician and want / need to study FM and it’s not available locally?

That’s not a non existent problem?

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 10:08

Tell us where you live, and we will be able to tell you how to get to school, I GUARANTEE it (but actually, I don't recommend you putting that on a public board, but if you did, I guarantee we could tell you how to get to a state school for sixth form)

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 10:07

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 09:59

No it isn't. Young people have to be in training, education or work.

HCC's approach is simply that DS can leave school and get a job. When I rang the Education department at HCC and asked them about alternative options for A'levels, they told me they weren't responsible for post-16 education, that they didn't have a list of providers and that 'I should Google'.

And you wonder why people are angry about VAT on private education. For some of us there is literally no choice. 😡

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Of course there is a choice - there isn't a single child in the country that does not have an option of STATE sixth form education, you are creating a non existent issue

Apart from anything else, you say the school bus doesn't go all the way home, well, that can easily be changed, but even if you don't get it changed then the cost of a taxi to and from the bus stop would be a FRACTION of the cost of a private education - not that anyone has to pay for a taxi, but this is just to illustrate how stupid your argument is.

HAVE TO go to private school because the bus doesn't go all the way home - no you don't

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 09:59

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 09:55

no. education is compulsory to 18

No it isn't. Young people have to be in training, education or work.

HCC's approach is simply that DS can leave school and get a job. When I rang the Education department at HCC and asked them about alternative options for A'levels, they told me they weren't responsible for post-16 education, that they didn't have a list of providers and that 'I should Google'.

And you wonder why people are angry about VAT on private education. For some of us there is literally no choice. 😡

Collexifon · 21/07/2024 09:56

Oh dear.

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 09:56

lolly792 · 21/07/2024 09:50

Let's hope Labour also sort school transport out. It's shocking that some families feel they have no option but to pay for private school because their child can't get to and from school otherwise

They absolutely can get transport

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 09:55

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 09:45

From Hampshire's CC's web site.

Eligibility for transport assistance to a mainstream school
Your child must meet all the criteria to be eligible for transport assistance

  1. Be of compulsory school age
Compulsory school age is the term following your child's fifth birthday until the end of the school year in which they turn 16 years of age.

no. education is compulsory to 18

lolly792 · 21/07/2024 09:50

Let's hope Labour also sort school transport out. It's shocking that some families feel they have no option but to pay for private school because their child can't get to and from school otherwise

Collexifon · 21/07/2024 09:48

Smoothie23 · 21/07/2024 09:42

How did they get in in the first place?

Quite. I think the not so veiled dig here is that they were tutored through the entrance exam, unlike the state kids, who all bloomed with natural intelligence and resilience.

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 09:47

@combinationpadlock We've just given up DS' place at Peter Symonds because HCC cancelled the bus service (and informed us on July 4th - thanks for the notice, guys) and I'm a single mum, I need to work. I can't be around to drive him there every morning.

So private education it is........!

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 09:45

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:58

Funnily enough, I was standing in front of A level students two days ago who have council help with their travel

it is a bone of contention in our sixth form, as the council only provides transport for students who live and attend school in the same county, and we are on a border, and have students from two counties - half of which are eligible for council supported transport, half of which are not. And availability of council supported transport is a deciding factor for many when considering whether to stay for sixth form. Some of my best year 11s are going to a school further away from them for sixth form, but easier to reach as it is in their own county

I don't know where you are- but speak to the council about your situation. Your child is entitled to a state education until 18 or 19

From Hampshire's CC's web site.

Eligibility for transport assistance to a mainstream school
Your child must meet all the criteria to be eligible for transport assistance

  1. Be of compulsory school age
Compulsory school age is the term following your child's fifth birthday until the end of the school year in which they turn 16 years of age.
Smoothie23 · 21/07/2024 09:42

RidiculousPrice · 19/07/2024 11:17

Some private school kids struggled at my DCs grammar. I think it was down to handholding/spoon feeding vs independent learning. Some were ok once they had got used to it. I’m sure it varies hugely from private school to private school and grammar to grammar.

But independent learning is vital for success at uni, and in life.

How did they get in in the first place?

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/07/2024 09:27

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:53

Blind CVs are out of favour in the US, as blind CVs favour white men very strongly there, as white males get the advantage all the way through education, in all types of school.

Many companies are dropping blind CVs if they have branches in USA

Actually, it’s going the other way in the USA now. DEI is being curtailed, though well intended, it’s been found to nit work out the way everyone hoped.

just a quick google:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/corporate-america-slashing-dei-workers-amid-backlash-diversity/story?id=100477952

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/colleges-diversity-equity-inclusion-higher-education-cec/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-02-01/why-companies-are-scaling-back-dei-in-america

How corporate America is slashing DEI workers amid backlash to diversity programs

DEI officers say they've faced cuts in the years since the murder of George Floyd.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/corporate-america-slashing-dei-workers-amid-backlash-diversity/story?id=100477952

RidiculousPrice · 21/07/2024 09:19

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/07/2024 08:44

Same

Which industry?

RidiculousPrice · 21/07/2024 09:19

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/07/2024 08:43

Why are blind CVs “the dark ages”?

It sounds utterly fair.

Sorry I misread the original post. Many law firms still judge applicants on which establishment they went to.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/07/2024 09:17

Perhaps in a city desperately short of acceptable student accommodation, AAA students who can live at home and won't need digs, is the appeal.

In which case, Bristol would only partner with local schools for widening participation (which it does, it has a guaranteed offer or guaranteed interview programme for local students).

The issue with Bristol is its lists of ‘aspiring schools’ which have some strange inclusions, resulting in students being eligible for contextual offers that really shouldn’t be.

If you go to one of those schools, you are eligible to be considered for a contextual offer from Bristol. But for GCSE, not A level. And not on its own.

That can’t be the case either, because it includes 6th Form colleges and you have to be applying from the school on the list (You will be eligible for a contextual offer if you apply from an aspiring state school or college), so it’s where you are taking A levels, not where you studied for your GCSEs.

I still haven’t worked out why a local school wasn’t on the 2023 list but appears on the 2024 list - it doesn’t have a Sixth Form or offer A levels so you can’t apply to Bristol from it.

RidiculousPrice · 21/07/2024 09:17

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 08:36

As an employer, I'm simply pleased to find candidates with decent grades in the relevant degree, who are interested in working full time and can write a good CV.

The senior school they attended wouldn't even register.

Interesting - do you not get many graduates apply with that?

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 09:15

EarthlyNightshade · 21/07/2024 09:08

What about the Sixth Form colleges on the list?
Would you also need to have attended one of their listed secondary schools?
Where they say You will be eligible for a contextual offer, do they just mean that you may be eligible rather than definitely?

Read the whole policy. On the list they say eligible, but on the policy, they say MAY be eligible. And in practice it is MAY be eligible. They will look at it, if you have been to one of those schools, but not automatically give you a contextual offer.

EarthlyNightshade · 21/07/2024 09:08

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:41

Because after several decades of supervising students applying to university, I am explaining to you that you have not read the full policy.

MORE THAN HALF OF THE SCHOOLS I HAVE TAUGHT AT ARE ON THAT LIST

If you go to one of those schools, you are eligible to be considered for a contextual offer from Bristol. But for GCSE, not A level. And not on its own.

I have supervised hundreds of students from that list apply to university, I know which students will get contextual offers from where.

What about the Sixth Form colleges on the list?
Would you also need to have attended one of their listed secondary schools?
Where they say You will be eligible for a contextual offer, do they just mean that you may be eligible rather than definitely?

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 09:02

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/07/2024 08:43

Why are blind CVs “the dark ages”?

It sounds utterly fair.

I think that the poster wasn't referring to blind CVs, but saying that in general that many law firms are still in the dark ages when it comes to recruitment.

You see it on the higher education threads where the same few posters state that law firms have a select list of universities that they hire graduates from - which is the complete opposite of CV blind.

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:59

Collexifon · 21/07/2024 08:57

Well, it doesn't. When I enquired they said they'd have to look into it once my dc was registered at the school. I didn't want to send them there and wait a year for a bus to be sorted.

well, speak to the school, they will have other students who have used council supported transport from there before, if this is your closest state school! They will be able to advise.

No UK child is barred from state education because of transport.

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:58

Meadowfinch · 21/07/2024 08:53

Only true until 16. A'level students do not get help with travel regardless of the distance.

Funnily enough, I was standing in front of A level students two days ago who have council help with their travel

it is a bone of contention in our sixth form, as the council only provides transport for students who live and attend school in the same county, and we are on a border, and have students from two counties - half of which are eligible for council supported transport, half of which are not. And availability of council supported transport is a deciding factor for many when considering whether to stay for sixth form. Some of my best year 11s are going to a school further away from them for sixth form, but easier to reach as it is in their own county

I don't know where you are- but speak to the council about your situation. Your child is entitled to a state education until 18 or 19

Collexifon · 21/07/2024 08:57

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:51

Then the council provides transport. No child is debarred from state school because of transport. There are children in the UK who can only go to school when the tide is out, there are children in the UK who can only go to school when the tide is in! the council provides transport.

Well, it doesn't. When I enquired they said they'd have to look into it once my dc was registered at the school. I didn't want to send them there and wait a year for a bus to be sorted.

combinationpadlock · 21/07/2024 08:53

TheaBrandt · 21/07/2024 07:21

Aren’t cvs very blind now anyway ? They are at Dh law firm anyway. Good to avoid the mortification I had at my City law firm interview when the partner said he went to school in my home city but didn’t recognise the name of my school. His school was the top local private mine was a comp. Utter cringe. Got the job tough.

Blind CVs are out of favour in the US, as blind CVs favour white men very strongly there, as white males get the advantage all the way through education, in all types of school.

Many companies are dropping blind CVs if they have branches in USA

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