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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:58

Needmorelego · 15/07/2024 21:53

@Smoothie23 but the difference is if a child decides to turn in in cargo pants and a knitted jumper instead their mates might say "what are you wearing?" but they won't get sent to isolation or put on report or sent home to change.

And you believe it never happens? Switch on any teen movie to see it. Talk to your teens if it happens

DullFanFiction · 17/07/2024 09:57

Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition

Except that when it’s everyday, it’s simply can’t be a competition everyday.
All children end up getting dressed like they would on a daily basis during the hols. No more no less.

Also worth remembering that no uniform doesn’t mean no rules about what you wear. Just like when you are at work, it’s not because you don’t have a uniform that you can wear whatever.

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:55

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 08:07

You can like fashion and also not be 'obsessed with brands.' You can like fashion and also not seen the clothes you wear to school everyday as a 'competition.'

Yeah, not obsessed casually wearing branded clothing every day and as teens do what other teens do they not obsessively are also wearing the same brands. 😂😁

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:54

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:22

You can @SummerDays2020 but like sports icons and music icons, DC follow designers and brands. It’s not wrong to do that. It’s just not what you think is ok. We spent money on brands at birthdays and Christmas and presents for exceptional exam results. I did not want these paraded at school but I’m never going to say DC should not be interested. DD designed clothes at school and, although has now changed career, she’s still very fashionable and stylish. A fashion leader, not a follower. It’s nothing to apologise for. Usually this interest starts quite young as do other interests. However it’s not something I would support on a daily basis where a uniform is better. Non uniform days can be very competitive by the way. Just because parents and your dc don’t notice, others absolutely do!

Exactly.

All that talk about kids not caring for brands is funny. Branded clothing in teens sizes sells very very well in UK

Natsku · 17/07/2024 09:50

Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition

Non-uniform days are worlds apart from every day being non-uniform. I've experienced both, I know the difference.

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:50

SummerDays2020 · 16/07/2024 22:14

What country are you refering to that all the teens are so obsessed with brands they have to wear them to school everyday?

The notion that fashion industry doesn't target mostly youth is funny

Poland

Parker231 · 17/07/2024 08:39

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:02

It’s a definite thing in the uk. You would have to be asleep not to notice. My DDs loved their fashion but happily wore school uniform. Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition.

Plus what’s wrong with fashion? Don’t we applaud our fashion designers? Don’t we want this industry to succeed? Just because MN has very stern (boring) views on fashion, it doesn’t mean everyone does. My DD went to LCF. Reading this you would think it was the equivalent of a prison. She always had an interest in fashion and, quite frankly, it’s a legitimate interest and something this country excels at.

Non uniform days in schools with a rigid school uniform are a fashion outing as it’s a one off day. In non uniform schools, where jeans and a hoodie are the norm, fashion isn’t a thing and clothing isn’t competitive.

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:22

You can @SummerDays2020 but like sports icons and music icons, DC follow designers and brands. It’s not wrong to do that. It’s just not what you think is ok. We spent money on brands at birthdays and Christmas and presents for exceptional exam results. I did not want these paraded at school but I’m never going to say DC should not be interested. DD designed clothes at school and, although has now changed career, she’s still very fashionable and stylish. A fashion leader, not a follower. It’s nothing to apologise for. Usually this interest starts quite young as do other interests. However it’s not something I would support on a daily basis where a uniform is better. Non uniform days can be very competitive by the way. Just because parents and your dc don’t notice, others absolutely do!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 08:07

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:02

It’s a definite thing in the uk. You would have to be asleep not to notice. My DDs loved their fashion but happily wore school uniform. Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition.

Plus what’s wrong with fashion? Don’t we applaud our fashion designers? Don’t we want this industry to succeed? Just because MN has very stern (boring) views on fashion, it doesn’t mean everyone does. My DD went to LCF. Reading this you would think it was the equivalent of a prison. She always had an interest in fashion and, quite frankly, it’s a legitimate interest and something this country excels at.

You can like fashion and also not be 'obsessed with brands.' You can like fashion and also not seen the clothes you wear to school everyday as a 'competition.'

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:02

It’s a definite thing in the uk. You would have to be asleep not to notice. My DDs loved their fashion but happily wore school uniform. Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition.

Plus what’s wrong with fashion? Don’t we applaud our fashion designers? Don’t we want this industry to succeed? Just because MN has very stern (boring) views on fashion, it doesn’t mean everyone does. My DD went to LCF. Reading this you would think it was the equivalent of a prison. She always had an interest in fashion and, quite frankly, it’s a legitimate interest and something this country excels at.

SummerDays2020 · 16/07/2024 22:14

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:23

what sort of amazing country is that where there is no obsession with brand names at the age of 11+? Where is this paradise where kids are oblivious to brand names?

What country are you refering to that all the teens are so obsessed with brands they have to wear them to school everyday?

SummerDays2020 · 16/07/2024 22:13

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:23

what sort of amazing country is that where there is no obsession with brand names at the age of 11+? Where is this paradise where kids are oblivious to brand names?

Not all DC are 'obsessed with brand names.' anyway. But especially not when they can wear what they like. They keep those things for the weekend if they have them. My DH grew up in the Netherlands. He reports the same.

SummerDays2020 · 16/07/2024 22:09

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 13:00

I have first hand observations about non uniform schools from European countries. And I am more keen on uniform but a more comfortable edition than classic shirt blazer and tie. I am afraid lack of uniform creates disparity between kids and severe judgement on what you wearing.

Certainly not in my experience.

Natsku · 16/07/2024 21:55

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:23

what sort of amazing country is that where there is no obsession with brand names at the age of 11+? Where is this paradise where kids are oblivious to brand names?

I'm in Finland, the whole country is about a decade behind fashions elsewhere Grin, its just not such a big deal, especially not in the small towns like where I live. Even my DD's friend, who is unusually fashion obsessed, never has a negative thing to say about anything anyone else is wearing. The kids express their own styles freely instead. Sure they know brands but there's not pressure to all wear the same.

DeadbeatYoda · 16/07/2024 19:16

The whole obsession with enforcing ever more strict uniform policy is pathetic. There is zero evidence that having a school uniform makes any difference whatsoever to academic achievement. Super strict policies alienate so many students. Not all useful people in society are drone-like conformists. The local examples in my area are just mediocre academies endlessly punishing students for minor uniform infringements whilst doing absolutely fuck all about horrendous bullying in their schools. They certainly do run tight shipwrecks! I'm far more concerned about pupil engagement and pupil progress. There is no benefit at all in giving a child a detention for having nail varnish on or not wearing their blazer but there certainly is detriment to a significant percentage of students for whom conforming to arbitrary, pointless rules is more challenging than for others.

Parker231 · 16/07/2024 16:06

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:31

Actually, there are people interested in clothing - the whole fashion industry drives it and would run out of business if it wasn't for that.
Have you ever heard children saying that something you ask them to wear is "cringe"? Well, they say it because especially girls are very much into what other kids think what they wearing.
And it is not only clothes. The competition is about IPhones, Samsungs vs cheaper brands, brand name shoes
I like school uniforms as I said- forgive me for having my opinion that is different. Can I?

DT’s and their classmates weren’t interested - wasn’t a thing at their school - same as their cousins. It saved me a fortune as they wore the same clothes every day - school, weekends and holidays

Bignanna · 16/07/2024 15:31

FeistyFrankie · 12/07/2024 13:12

Can’t see the issue. Why do you even care??

If the fabric is itchy wear a slip??

trousers can be ordered in lots of sizes so I’m struggling to see the issue with that either.

I cannot understand why people have such an issue with uniform policies in this country. It’s bizarre.

The expense is a huge problem. Must be galling when supermarket brands are so cheap.

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:31

Parker231 · 16/07/2024 14:25

When you can wear what you want every day, no one is interested in your clothing. This obsession seems to be in UK schools when there is a dress down day?

Actually, there are people interested in clothing - the whole fashion industry drives it and would run out of business if it wasn't for that.
Have you ever heard children saying that something you ask them to wear is "cringe"? Well, they say it because especially girls are very much into what other kids think what they wearing.
And it is not only clothes. The competition is about IPhones, Samsungs vs cheaper brands, brand name shoes
I like school uniforms as I said- forgive me for having my opinion that is different. Can I?

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:27

Parker231 · 16/07/2024 13:21

DT’s and their cousins across the Uk, Canada, Belgium and France all went to non uniform schools. No issues with what anyone was wearing - no one was interested.

I have worked in corporate world all my life. Yes, Americans, UK and Canadian's adults are not interested not much in what you wearing. I cannot say that about French, Italians or any Eastern European countries. Absolutely not.

Parker231 · 16/07/2024 14:25

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:23

what sort of amazing country is that where there is no obsession with brand names at the age of 11+? Where is this paradise where kids are oblivious to brand names?

When you can wear what you want every day, no one is interested in your clothing. This obsession seems to be in UK schools when there is a dress down day?

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 14:23

DullFanFiction · 16/07/2024 13:14

Not my experience from European schools either.

what sort of amazing country is that where there is no obsession with brand names at the age of 11+? Where is this paradise where kids are oblivious to brand names?

Needmorelego · 16/07/2024 13:41

@50shadedofmagnolia my girl is tiny and when she started school she had pinafores and I joked she looked like a Victorian school girl because they were practically ankle length. 😂
They were the smallest you could get (age 3-4)

50shadedofmagnolia · 16/07/2024 13:26

Well my child would look rediculous!
She's almost 11 and wears age 6-7 clothes so if the skirt's alone are all the same length hers would be down to her ankles 😂.
Then she's got sensory issues so anything scratchy would be an absolute no no.

Parker231 · 16/07/2024 13:21

Smoothie23 · 16/07/2024 13:00

I have first hand observations about non uniform schools from European countries. And I am more keen on uniform but a more comfortable edition than classic shirt blazer and tie. I am afraid lack of uniform creates disparity between kids and severe judgement on what you wearing.

DT’s and their cousins across the Uk, Canada, Belgium and France all went to non uniform schools. No issues with what anyone was wearing - no one was interested.

DullFanFiction · 16/07/2024 13:14

Natsku · 16/07/2024 13:09

Not my experience from my DD's non-uniform school.

Not my experience from European schools either.