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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 21:33

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:28

"Nearly two-thirds of teenagers almost always buy their favourite brands when making purchase decisions, with Nike, Sony and Apple ranking among the most popular properties around the world, a survey by Habbo, a "virtual world" aimed at young consumers, reports.

Based on a poll of 112,000 teenagers in 30 countries, The Global Habbo Youth Survey found that 52% of respondents typically opted to buy the "most popular" brands, while 45% defined themselves as being "loyal" to certain products.

Overall, 60% also agreed with the statement that they "don't dislike brands", while a further 53% said they tended to buy "well-known" brands, compared with 25% favouring "less well-known" alternatives."

https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/teens-prefer-buying-brands/en-gb/25231

Teenagers don't care about brands? 😂

You deliberately missed this part out.

Among teenage girls, H&MM*, Zara and Roxy were the most popular apparel brands, with Nike, Adidas and Lacoste receiving this title among boys.

I mean H&M .. really?

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 21:31

@Smoothie23 and teens can like all the brands they want but if their family doesn't have the money to buy them.....well they won't get them.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 21:29

@Smoothie23 come on really.....in small town Italy where most people work in a factory or on the land or whatever and the nearest store is probably just a giant Carrefour.... every single teen is obsessed with designer labels and that's all they wear.
Really? I doubt it.

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:28

"Nearly two-thirds of teenagers almost always buy their favourite brands when making purchase decisions, with Nike, Sony and Apple ranking among the most popular properties around the world, a survey by Habbo, a "virtual world" aimed at young consumers, reports.

Based on a poll of 112,000 teenagers in 30 countries, The Global Habbo Youth Survey found that 52% of respondents typically opted to buy the "most popular" brands, while 45% defined themselves as being "loyal" to certain products.

Overall, 60% also agreed with the statement that they "don't dislike brands", while a further 53% said they tended to buy "well-known" brands, compared with 25% favouring "less well-known" alternatives."

https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/teens-prefer-buying-brands/en-gb/25231

Teenagers don't care about brands? 😂

Teens prefer buying brands | WARC

HELSINKI: Nearly two-thirds of teenagers almost always buy their favourite brands when making purchase decisions, with Nike, Sony and Apple ranking among the most popular properties around the world, a survey by Habbo, a

https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/teens-prefer-buying-brands/en-gb/25231

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:21

@Natsku
Many others on this thread have a very different experience, that ought to tell you something

That I should not have my own opinion and follow the sheep? 😁 I give you good advise. Always think for yourself. Always. Diversity matters.

Amusement parks, politics, how they would obviously run the country better than anyone else, horses, volleyball, things like that. You might have a poor opinion of teens, and think they're like Mean Girls in real life but I do not.

You are talking about older teens. At the age of 13-14 they are most vulnerable and they want to be like their peers.
Look, even you advise to follow the flock...

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:18

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:00

You're missing the point! What people are saying is from experience when DC can wear what they like every day it isn't a fashion show or a competition. It's not like a non-uniform day. And honestly, kids can like fashion but they have other things going on in their lives than just clothes!

For some reason it is obviously different in Poland, but from the comments in this thread and many others I have read, Poland is the exception.

No it is not an exception. Go to Italy
All ages...

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Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 20:56

@PaintedPottery yep - my daughter suffered similar issues.
People just don't understand it. It really did cause physical discomfort and that's all she could focus on instead of getting an education 🙁
Thankfully she's at a non uniform sen school now.

PaintedPottery · 17/07/2024 20:53

School uniform is a painful ordeal for my daughter who has sensory issues. She wouldn’t mind wearing a uniform but would welcome a more practical alternative to the overly strict one she is forced to wear now. There are days she can’t wear it so can’t go to school.

Natsku · 17/07/2024 20:50

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 16:28

and they cherish it by looking at it on the mantelpiece? And they purposefully dress down to school in rugs. Yeah...

Branded clothing is not only evening wear. 2004 Mean Girls movie and now follow up second part - all about it. Queen Bee and her guardians. Every teen movie talks about rich, popular kids in branded clothes. Art mimics life. Life mimics art. And this is very laid down US when it comes to clothing. In Europe oh god...
I was a teen in a non-uniform school. I remember how girls were endlessly babbling about who and what is wearing. Kids can be mean.

You are talking of your singular experience. Many others on this thread have a very different experience, that ought to tell you something.
I have a teenager daughter in a non-uniform school right now - the girls are not endlessly babbling on about what people are wearing! Not even the fashion obsessed girl my DD is good friends with, you want to know what they talk about? Amusement parks, politics, how they would obviously run the country better than anyone else, horses, volleyball, things like that. You might have a poor opinion of teens, and think they're like Mean Girls in real life but I do not.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 19:37

I went to a high school in an EE country that technically had a uniform. I say technically, as they were really lax about it despite being an incredibly high performing and academic school(think pupils getting scholarships to unis in the UK or the US from there). The cohort varied from quite deprived to kids of lawyers ,doctors etc.

Some kids wore full uniform(ironically, it was actually cheaper) , the vast majority, their own thing, which mostly consisted of trainers, jeans and a top vaguely in the correct colour (white ,blue or sometimes black). Only a handful of girls wore skirts.No one gave a shit what everyone else wore. Some kids had watches that cost as much as my whole outfit, but it was never a thing despite the various groups. No rules about hair,makeup or jewellery either. Somehow we all managed to learn,get good results, go to uni etc.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 19:36

FineFettler · 17/07/2024 19:17

This bill will also require free breakfast clubs in every primary school, limit the number of branded items of uniform and PE kits that a school can require

Excellent news, but I hope they will limit this to one at most. There's simply no need for logos on so many bits of school uniform. I hope also that it will prevent schools having uniform that can't be bought in national store chains and supermarkets.

Yes, it should not just restrict logos but things like the checked blouses at my DD's school that have to be bought from the school uniform supplier.

mathanxiety · 17/07/2024 19:34

FeistyFrankie · 12/07/2024 13:12

Can’t see the issue. Why do you even care??

If the fabric is itchy wear a slip??

trousers can be ordered in lots of sizes so I’m struggling to see the issue with that either.

I cannot understand why people have such an issue with uniform policies in this country. It’s bizarre.

The only issue is the belief that uniforms are necessary.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 19:33

@TizerorFizz ok I googled....
I HAVE indeed heard of Louis Vuitton.
I have never heard of the full name or abbreviation.
Wow....I learned something new today. How exciting.
I seriously doubt that most average kids in average little towns like....(random off the top of my head small towns) Daventry or whatever the French equivalent is will be wearing much in the way of Louis Vuitton 😂

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 19:27

@TizerorFizz "LVMH" means nothing to me either?
Sorry....no clue 🤔
(I mean I could Google it....)

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 19:25

@Needmorelego Ooops. Typo. LVMH. Surely you have heard of them? Might I suggest you are a bit fashion lite if you haven’t.

FineFettler · 17/07/2024 19:17

This bill will also require free breakfast clubs in every primary school, limit the number of branded items of uniform and PE kits that a school can require

Excellent news, but I hope they will limit this to one at most. There's simply no need for logos on so many bits of school uniform. I hope also that it will prevent schools having uniform that can't be bought in national store chains and supermarkets.

FineFettler · 17/07/2024 19:09

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:02

It’s a definite thing in the uk. You would have to be asleep not to notice. My DDs loved their fashion but happily wore school uniform. Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition.

Plus what’s wrong with fashion? Don’t we applaud our fashion designers? Don’t we want this industry to succeed? Just because MN has very stern (boring) views on fashion, it doesn’t mean everyone does. My DD went to LCF. Reading this you would think it was the equivalent of a prison. She always had an interest in fashion and, quite frankly, it’s a legitimate interest and something this country excels at.

Fairly obviously, non-uniform days turn into a fashion parade because they are one-offs. If every day is a non-uniform day, kids sling on whatever they're comfortable with. My experience of schools with no uniforms echoes that of others on here - children wear jeans, hoodies and T-shirts with comfortable shoes.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:33

@Smoothie23 according to Google the clothing retailer chain with the most branches in Poland is Pepco.
Pepco is part of the same group as Poundland - who in the UK sell the Pepco branded clothes. Pepco is very similar clothes to Primark.
I am going to assume (I could be completely wrong) that the average medium size ordinary town in Poland is more likely to have a Pepco than a designer clothing store.
Google also says the most popular online clothing purchases in Poland come from Shein.
(yes I'm bored......)

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:22

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 16:28

and they cherish it by looking at it on the mantelpiece? And they purposefully dress down to school in rugs. Yeah...

Branded clothing is not only evening wear. 2004 Mean Girls movie and now follow up second part - all about it. Queen Bee and her guardians. Every teen movie talks about rich, popular kids in branded clothes. Art mimics life. Life mimics art. And this is very laid down US when it comes to clothing. In Europe oh god...
I was a teen in a non-uniform school. I remember how girls were endlessly babbling about who and what is wearing. Kids can be mean.

You do realise they are only at school/college a few hours a day?

And fine, in Poland kids are obsessed with brands and having a fashion show at school every day. But this is not the norm.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:20

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 16:15

Even babies wear high end designer gear! Start them young!!

By the time they are teenagers you would expect them to be making their own decisions on their clothes.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:19

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 14:52

@Natsku It is not a matter of experience. The numbers of sales in £$€ of branded merchandise for the specific age groups and countries speaks for itself. Somebody is buying it in those countries and I recon they also wear it

As we keep saying - they wear it in the evenings and at the weekends and on holiday. Noone is saying teens at non-uniform schools never own branded items!

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:19

@TizerorFizz what's "LMVH" ?

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:18

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 14:24

All of this depends on the child and family income. It’s fairly normal in the UK for dc to want certain trainers or bags. If dc don’t care, that’s their choice but many schools spend a lot of time being anti make up, anti jewellery and anti certain shoes and hair - although the latter has had to stop. My DDs would have been very keen to express themselves with jewellery, make up and hair extensions (are those banned?) but the uniform rules stopped it. They wore school pe hoodies and swapped them with ones from other schools but I preferred them wearing uniform. Generally they did too.

The vast majority of schools have uniforms in the uk. I doubt we care much about France (the home of LMVH for heavens sake!) or anywhere else. My DC expressed themselves through fashion and why on earth not? It’s legitimate and fun but not when at school.

And so do teens at non-uniform schools, just not at school as everyone has said! I'm not sure what is so hard to understand?

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:16

Natsku · 17/07/2024 13:40

That might be your experience, but my experience in a country with no uniforms is that the kids do not care anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do. They care about what they wear to a disco or special occasions like that but everyday wear for school is just everyday wear.

I completely agree.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:14

mewkins · 17/07/2024 11:03

Hopefully change is on the horizon and the 'three logo'd items' guidance will be clamped down on. I challenged this with my dd's school and it was ridiculous, with the bloody PE kit being the main issue. They said that technically the kids don't need the PE tshirt, jumper, leggings and skort (all branded). Not sure how she'd feel about walking to school in what is effectively a microskirt and no jumper in the middle of winter🙄

www.tes.com/magazine/leadership/compliance/school-uniform-costs-how-things-could-change-under-labour

I thought the guidance was one logo'd item?

At my DD's school the jumper is the only logo'd item of the main uniform but they also have a checked blouse that has to be bought from the school uniform supplier. But like you the P.E uniform has more branded items. They have a logo'd polo, shorts and hoodie and then can have plain sports leggings.