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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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Natsku · 18/07/2024 12:57

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:21

@Natsku
Many others on this thread have a very different experience, that ought to tell you something

That I should not have my own opinion and follow the sheep? 😁 I give you good advise. Always think for yourself. Always. Diversity matters.

Amusement parks, politics, how they would obviously run the country better than anyone else, horses, volleyball, things like that. You might have a poor opinion of teens, and think they're like Mean Girls in real life but I do not.

You are talking about older teens. At the age of 13-14 they are most vulnerable and they want to be like their peers.
Look, even you advise to follow the flock...

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It tells you that your experience is not the only experience, and is clearly not universal.

I'm talking about 13 year olds, that's my DD's age group.

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 09:05

@Chartreux yes "reasonable adjustments" is a bit of a joke sadly.

PaintedPottery · 18/07/2024 09:04

Chartreux · 18/07/2024 08:54

You really need to insist on it. As matter stand she is being discriminated against.

Yes, it’s a slow process though. What needs to happen is a uniform overhaul rather than reasonable adjustments to be honest. We have a report stating that school should source a tailor to make her a sensory-friendly uniform but I can’t see that happening. Reasonable adjustments merely make her stand out and fuel her anxiety.

Chartreux · 18/07/2024 08:54

PaintedPottery · 18/07/2024 08:17

Some - but it’s not enough sadly.

You really need to insist on it. As matter stand she is being discriminated against.

Parker231 · 18/07/2024 08:41

DD’s likes clothes - did throughout school years - DS couldn’t care less what he wears. It didn’t mean that DD wore fashion to non uniform school. Most was regular chain store clothing. You only have to look around North America and Europe, school children are dressed in regular clothing, not fashion.

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 08:35

@TizerorFizz I live in London so I see plenty of fashion retailers that are popular and have queues etc. I used to know someone that worked for a big name designer.
I know fashion is popular.
I still don't get your point.

TizerorFizz · 18/07/2024 08:30

@Needmorelego Small
point - some people know about fashion and others don’t. Just because people on this thread don’t (except @Smoothie23 ) it doesn’t follow that others are not interested and know nothing. You only have to go to Paris and look at the queues to get into some shops to see it matters to some and these people have dc. Huge companies like LVMH influence what we all wear as it continually influences trends in cheaper shops. So although people think Zara is relatively cheap and cheerful, many of its influences are far more expensive companies. Zara is huge in its own right as is H&M.

PaintedPottery · 18/07/2024 08:17

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:14

Do they not give her any reasonable adjustments?

Some - but it’s not enough sadly.

Needmorelego · 18/07/2024 01:16

@TizerorFizz sorry I don't get your point.
(admittedly maybe because it's gone 1am...I'm tired but can't sleep)

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 23:28

@Needmorelego LVMH is a huge fashion company. It has many brands. These are aspirational brands and of course the French know about them. As you aren’t interested in fashion, you didn’t know. Others are interested and do follow what these companies produce.

Teens are definitely aware these high end brands are available and frequently buy copies from Zara and similar. Some won’t know they are, but Zara copies catwalk trends all the time. H&M and their numerous brands too. Teens might not be aware where the fashions come from but they certainly buy the high street copies of catwalk clothes. It’s then not odd that some want the real thing.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 23:04

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:48

I think your passion to convert me to believe that in no other country teens care for brands is amusing. Are you aware that people can have different perspective on things? Have a good evening

I'll leave you to argue with yourself...no one has said no teens in other countries care for brands....but please carry on laughing about something no one said 😂

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:48

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:36

You're arguing with yourself. That is the funny thing. Noone has said what you think they have.

But you definitely had us on! Arguing about the fashion shows and competition they have in Poland and it was all over H&M hoodies! 😂

I think your passion to convert me to believe that in no other country teens care for brands is amusing. Are you aware that people can have different perspective on things? Have a good evening

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:36

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:29

All...ages. Perhaps only small kids have zero awareness of brands.
Btw I have worked in marketing for the last 30 years. The notion that teens don't care for brands is simply funny.

You're arguing with yourself. That is the funny thing. Noone has said what you think they have.

But you definitely had us on! Arguing about the fashion shows and competition they have in Poland and it was all over H&M hoodies! 😂

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 22:35

But we are talking about uniforms and nlt affordability of brands. Where there are no uniforms starts the brand madness even if it is H&M - cool Primark- cringe. Doesn't need to be Versace vs H&M.

Absolute bullshit and not the point you were making.

Plus the same can happen with uniform too. Tesco vs M&S or H&M, store vs uniform shop Lidl vs Kickers and so on.

That's the whole point of the thread! Items need to be a certain brand, not just any supermarket shop.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 22:32

@Smoothie23 not to the extent you claim they do or the type of branding you made it sound like, but oh wait actually it's H&M.

The vast majority of UK kids from toddlers will have some H&M items. It's not exactly the height of fashion or branding. Come on...

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:31

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 21:35

There's brands and there's brands.

An Avon perfume does not equal Channel no 5, but they're both brands that will be a brand preference for a teen.

But we are talking about uniforms and nlt affordability of brands. Where there are no uniforms starts the brand madness even if it is H&M - cool Primark- cringe. Doesn't need to be Versace vs H&M.

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:29

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 22:27

  • No it is not an exception. Go to Italy All ages...*

All ages.... 30 and up? It is a thread about teens after all.Grin

All...ages. Perhaps only small kids have zero awareness of brands.
Btw I have worked in marketing for the last 30 years. The notion that teens don't care for brands is simply funny.

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 22:27

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 21:33

You deliberately missed this part out.

Among teenage girls, H&MM*, Zara and Roxy were the most popular apparel brands, with Nike, Adidas and Lacoste receiving this title among boys.

I mean H&M .. really?

Not deliberatly, it only reconfirms what I said. This is actually the core point. H&M is also a brand, you know?

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 22:27
  • No it is not an exception. Go to Italy All ages...*

All ages.... 30 and up? It is a thread about teens after all.Grin

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:20

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 21:37

Nike etc can be bought cheaply in Sports Direct.
Branded toiletries like Lynx etc can be in Poundland.
So they are branded products yes - but hardly the "designer" labels that Smoothie23 seems to think teens are obsessed with 😂

She was talking about H&M and Poundland all along...well, yes, my DS did often wear an H&M hoodie to school! 😂

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:16

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 21:18

No it is not an exception. Go to Italy
All ages...

All ages what? All ages go to non-uniform schools? I mean by definition schools are for young people.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 22:14

PaintedPottery · 17/07/2024 20:53

School uniform is a painful ordeal for my daughter who has sensory issues. She wouldn’t mind wearing a uniform but would welcome a more practical alternative to the overly strict one she is forced to wear now. There are days she can’t wear it so can’t go to school.

Do they not give her any reasonable adjustments?

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 21:37

Nike etc can be bought cheaply in Sports Direct.
Branded toiletries like Lynx etc can be in Poundland.
So they are branded products yes - but hardly the "designer" labels that Smoothie23 seems to think teens are obsessed with 😂

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 21:35

There's brands and there's brands.

An Avon perfume does not equal Channel no 5, but they're both brands that will be a brand preference for a teen.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 17/07/2024 21:34

Nike was also the top-ranked sportswear property among both of these groups, followed by Adidas and Puma in both cases.

It also topped the sporting footwear category among boys, with Converse in second, with these positions being reversed among girls.

Nivea, L'Oréal, Avon, Dove and Garnier were the personal hygiene brands most favoured among female contributors, with Axe/Lynx, Nivea and Gatsby among the preferred option with males.