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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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Whatwouldscullydo · 12/07/2024 20:33

Oh god. This would have been a nightmare fir me. As a girl who's always had thick thighs and alot of junk in thr trunk I'd have never gotten in a pair of slim fit trousers. What do they expect girls to do? Slice off their arse so the skirts arent too short? Take a chainsaw to the thighs?

The cost of this is criminal. Needs a complete parent protest in the hope they see sense.

C0rdeliaChase · 12/07/2024 20:25

FeistyFrankie · 12/07/2024 13:12

Can’t see the issue. Why do you even care??

If the fabric is itchy wear a slip??

trousers can be ordered in lots of sizes so I’m struggling to see the issue with that either.

I cannot understand why people have such an issue with uniform policies in this country. It’s bizarre.

You can't see the issue with uniform costing £350? Are you a millionaire?

wastingtimeonhere · 12/07/2024 20:23

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 20:12

@wastingtimeonhere that's sad for your Granny 🙁

It was, she was so intelligent, so curious about the world, as children we had sets of encyclopedias and regular trips to the library to answer our questions.( long before computers and Google!) She left school at 14 but her written/ reading ability/ maths was far better than many of her contemporaries.
When I read threads like these, it doesn't feel like we as a society have learnt anything.

Hoppinggreen · 12/07/2024 20:18

DD had to have a specific skirt from a specific shop. She has a size 4 waist and a size 6/8 bum. The skirts cost around £25 each and I had to pay £20 per skirt to have a tailor remake them to fit her. She then got in trouble for them being too short (I didn't get them taken up)
The trousers were worse.
After many many complaints the skirts were changed to pleated ones which had adjustable waists but only after she left

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 20:12

@wastingtimeonhere that's sad for your Granny 🙁

LochKatrine · 12/07/2024 19:49

DavidRosesEyebrows · 12/07/2024 13:17

Wear a slip😂 It's not the 1950s

No, it's 2024 and they're a godsend. They reduce clinginess and static, stop clothes being see through and make uncomfortable fabrics so much better! Cool tech from Marks. Brilliant.

WhatsitWiggle · 12/07/2024 19:46

That's in breach of the uniform law that was brought in fairly recently. Schools are not permitted to insist on things being branded unnecessarily, especially items that would require purchasing frequently. Eg it's ok for a blazer because you'd buy a massive one at year 7 and pretty much hope it fits the whole 5 years. But you can't do that for shirts, trousers, skirts.

I did complain about our schools uniform policy when they insisted on a specific skirt that could only be purchased from school suppliers. They denied it was branded, despite me including the specific legislation wording, so I sent a picture of a similar skirt from Asda and got it in writing from them that it would be acceptable. They didn't update their uniform policy though and I ran out of steam to fight further. Should have gone to the governors in hindsight.

wastingtimeonhere · 12/07/2024 19:46

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 13:31

@FeistyFrankie the issue....
1 - the cost.
Many families will struggle with this. Some may feel they cannot apply to this school - even though it's their local school - because they will struggle to afford the uniform.
This was often how it was pre 1944 when more many the only way to go to secondary school was by winning a scholarship - only to have to turn down the place because their family couldn't afford the uniform. Lets return education to how it was 80 years ago when children were denied it .....yay 🙄.
2 - the style/cut. Teens are growing and are all sorts of shapes and sizes. This is the age when they should be learning what clothes fit and suit them best. If self confidence and physical comfort is low they will struggle to learn.
3 - "wear a slip" - how's that work for trousers 😂 also what do you do if the shirt irritates, or the blazer means movement is restricted or a child has - god forbid - a bit of a tummy.
I also assume you've never met anyone with sensory issues.
I could go on.
I hate uniform policies like this with an absolute passion. They anger me.

My grandmother won a scholarship in the 1920s and her parents turned it down as they couldn't afford uniform or the fares to get to school, she had to leave and get a job in the factory in the village. She hated uniform with a vengeance. I went to school in the 70s, our uniform was more lax...she knitted our jumpers.

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 19:39

@CraftyNavySeal the problem with this is for the incoming Year 7s they wouldn't be replacing old uniform - they've got to buy the new one 🙁

CraftyNavySeal · 12/07/2024 19:29

I could be talking out my arse but I don’t think schools can force you to buy a new uniform, you can still wear the old one.

When I was in school 15 years ago there were still year 11s wearing bits and pieces of the old uniform.

wonderstuff · 12/07/2024 19:23

It's against current government guidence on uniform and a blatent attempt to price out the poorest families. We have a local secondary that has decided all parents need to purchase a tablet for their child, same thing, poorest parents can't and so will end up elsewhere. Should not be allowed.

BobbyBiscuits · 12/07/2024 19:19

I worked on a year long comparison study where we had to source uniforms for every primary and secondary school in the UK from both the official supplier and then generic suppliers, and supermarkets. Outcome was the whole thing is a massive rip off. One blue top with yellow stripe is the same as another? One black skirt is the same as another if similar style. They should just let you stick on the uniform badge to generic blazer and then all generic uniform.
I wouldn't send my kids to a uniform school. In my area there are plenty of good schools without.

AGoingConcern · 12/07/2024 19:13

As an american transplant I will never understand the UK's obsession with impractical, expensive school uniforms... they're just costumes, honestly. They achieve nothing that a reasonable gender-neutral dress code wouldn't, and dressing appropriately for the occasion/environment without a uniform is a better life skill anyways.

I would absolutely complain and work with other parents to express dissatisfaction as a group. Provide examples of schools with affordable, accessible uniforms. Don't let it drop.

In the meantime... slips under uniform skirts should be more common.They shouldn't be hot if they're the right fabric and they can easily be sewn in so it's not an extra piece to keep track of. I'm in my early 30s and I still do this with most of my business skirts and dresses because I'm prone to getting itchy/irritated from certain fabrics.

KillerTomato7 · 12/07/2024 17:40

FeistyFrankie · 12/07/2024 13:12

Can’t see the issue. Why do you even care??

If the fabric is itchy wear a slip??

trousers can be ordered in lots of sizes so I’m struggling to see the issue with that either.

I cannot understand why people have such an issue with uniform policies in this country. It’s bizarre.

You can’t see the issue with forcing poor and working class people to spend £350 on branded clothing for the privilege of going to school?

freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 16:47

Natsku · 12/07/2024 16:09

Absolutely ridiculous, and what possible justification can they have for allowing two fit options for boys trousers but only one option for girls? That's sex discrimination.

This! I thought that was surely the most outrageous part never mind the cost or inconvenience of it 😳

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IamaRevenant · 12/07/2024 16:29

This is ridiculous. When I was at secondary my school let you have any white shirt/polo and black jumper with an iron-on logo which cost a few quid from the school shop, then any black trousers or skirt (so long as not too short!). I thought that was standard now?

Weetabbix · 12/07/2024 16:20

My school had a similar uniform policy to this. I had to wear unflattering, uncomortable trousers for 5 years. Not sure what you can do though really.

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 16:14

@Fannyfiggs sensible choice 😂

Natsku · 12/07/2024 16:09

Absolutely ridiculous, and what possible justification can they have for allowing two fit options for boys trousers but only one option for girls? That's sex discrimination.

Fannyfiggs · 12/07/2024 16:04

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 15:55

@Fannyfiggs I agree except for white t-shirts.
White is a very impractical colour 😂

That's very true.

Due to your feedback, I have changed my uniform policy for FannyFiggs High to navy t-shirts 😆

FumingTRex · 12/07/2024 15:58

Yes it’s ridiculous. I’m fortunate my secondary is sensible on uniform. Jumper, tie and PE top have to be branded but trousers, skirts etc can be from anywhere. There are neighbouring schools that require every item branded plus different PE kit for rugby, football and athletics,

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 15:55

@Fannyfiggs I agree except for white t-shirts.
White is a very impractical colour 😂

Fannyfiggs · 12/07/2024 15:51

Wouldn't it be great for the school uniform to be a neutral coloured tracksuit, white t-shirt and trainers.

How comfortable for the kids and easy for the parents.

This country needs to be dragged out of the dark ages sometimes.

cloudy477654 · 12/07/2024 15:44

Ridiculous! I have secondary aged DD and would actually consider moving schools over this.
When i was in school we had to wear a colour of skirt that you could only get from a school uniform supplier really especially in the 90s before online shopping, it was a nightmare because I went through puberty early and always been pear shaped so all the skirts that fit my hips gaped at the waist! My mum was so happy when they started allowing trousers for girls

LivingDeadGirlUK · 12/07/2024 15:36

serialcatbuyer · 12/07/2024 13:11

The fabrics from that brand are horrible, but it's probably to stop the girls wearing short skirts. I do think they need some boundaries there at that age. They don't seem to know how inappropriate they tend to look

Rubbish, you can have a 'skirt to be no more than 2 inches above knee' rule without making people pay £35 per skirt, in fact by making only one skirt available its harder for the very tall or short to get the right fit.

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