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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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DavidRosesEyebrows · 14/07/2024 12:27

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 12:22

@DavidRosesEyebrows they shouldn't NEED to wear cycling shorts under something though.....just be able to wear something suitable to start with.

So why do slips exist? Just wear something suitable in the first place.

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 12:22

@DavidRosesEyebrows they shouldn't NEED to wear cycling shorts under something though.....just be able to wear something suitable to start with.

DavidRosesEyebrows · 14/07/2024 12:14

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 12:01

@DavidRosesEyebrows I don't even understand why if in order to wear one thing you have to wear ANOTHER thing to make it comfortable. Clothes (especially school uniform) should be comfy and suitable to start with.

I didn't really mean in this instance, I just meant in general no kid would wear a slip and cycling shorts would be more appropriate. I totally agree that school uniform should be comfortable and readily available at a reasonable price.

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 12:01

@DavidRosesEyebrows I don't even understand why if in order to wear one thing you have to wear ANOTHER thing to make it comfortable. Clothes (especially school uniform) should be comfy and suitable to start with.

DavidRosesEyebrows · 14/07/2024 11:57

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:33

I know! I wouldn't even know where to buy my DD a slip! However, she always wears cycling shorts under her skirt.

I think cycling shorts are a much better option, especially for teens. I can just imagine my girls faces if I suggested they wear a slip 🤣

DullFanFiction · 14/07/2024 11:40

FeistyFrankie · 12/07/2024 13:12

Can’t see the issue. Why do you even care??

If the fabric is itchy wear a slip??

trousers can be ordered in lots of sizes so I’m struggling to see the issue with that either.

I cannot understand why people have such an issue with uniform policies in this country. It’s bizarre.

😂😂😂😂😂

Wear a slip? You want a teen to wear a slip when there is a thread going on now in the Style section with people saying they didn’t know it was even possible to still find some! When most people associate a slip with an old lady??

come on. This is just a ridiculous comment.

Natsku · 14/07/2024 11:37

Bearybasket · 14/07/2024 11:24

I think every state school in Scotland is required to have that list in their uniform guidelines as all the local primary and secondary schools have it and I had a nosey at the Hyndland Secondary handbook since it was mentioned up thread and they also have it despite not having an actual uniform

It makes sense in areas where there are issues with factions like fights between different football supporters, though depressing that its needed.
No such restrictions here but no one is fighting in my town over opposing hockey teams despite the big rivalry between the two teams from the nearest city (most in this town support one or the other) and boys often wear hockey shirts from their team to school. And wearing their sports clubs clothing at school is a big thing at the moment if they're in a club themselves.

Bearybasket · 14/07/2024 11:24

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 11:12

I found the list of items not to be worn for health and safety reasons especially clothes that can cause injury very interesting too!

I think every state school in Scotland is required to have that list in their uniform guidelines as all the local primary and secondary schools have it and I had a nosey at the Hyndland Secondary handbook since it was mentioned up thread and they also have it despite not having an actual uniform

Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary
Parker231 · 14/07/2024 11:24

Comefromaway · 12/07/2024 13:32

This is the uniform policy for the school my son attended. The kids always looked incredibly smart. The head is very aware of the cost implications to families. It can be done.

"To reduce the cost to families, we have limited our compulsory branded uniform to just 3 items – blazer, tie and PE polo shirt. All other items can be bought from any retailer, but must be of the approved style. If you are unsure about any item that you intend to purchase, please contact the school and we will be happy to advise you."

Children don’t need to look smart at school. They need to be dressed in practical clothing suitable for the weather and made of materials which are comfortable and long lasting.
Thank goodness for DT’s non uniform school where jeans, T-shirts and a hoodie were the norm.

Needmorelego · 14/07/2024 11:17

@TizerorFizz most children's feet have stopped growing by 12 or 13 though so crocs would be fine.
My daughter wears crocs almost every day (she has a large selection of colours).

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 14/07/2024 11:16

Last year spent £250 to kit DD out for secondary. Two skirts, one blazer, two shirts (specific style so they end up more expensive everywhere ), summer pe kit (skirt and tshirt) and winter PE kit(leggings and long sleeve top).

That's it. Fucking ridiculous really.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 11:15

Yalta · 14/07/2024 11:08

Comefromaway

Only 1 PE kit!!

Ds’s secondary had 3

Rugby
Tracksuit and polo shirt
Shorts and T. Shirt

SummerDays2020

The guidance says only one item should be branded

But that isn’t a rule that is just guidelines

Yes, I know it is just guidance.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 11:12

Natsku · 13/07/2024 09:45

Much more sensible policy (though I still think no uniform policy at all is even better) but I'm intrigued by clothing that can cause injury to others, I wonder what that could be? Unless its so clashing it hurts my eyes...

I found the list of items not to be worn for health and safety reasons especially clothes that can cause injury very interesting too!

Yalta · 14/07/2024 11:08

Comefromaway

Only 1 PE kit!!

Ds’s secondary had 3

Rugby
Tracksuit and polo shirt
Shorts and T. Shirt

SummerDays2020

The guidance says only one item should be branded

But that isn’t a rule that is just guidelines

permanently · 14/07/2024 11:02

Hyndland Secondary in Glasgow is non uniform. Is considered a very good school.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:55

Comefromaway · 12/07/2024 13:32

This is the uniform policy for the school my son attended. The kids always looked incredibly smart. The head is very aware of the cost implications to families. It can be done.

"To reduce the cost to families, we have limited our compulsory branded uniform to just 3 items – blazer, tie and PE polo shirt. All other items can be bought from any retailer, but must be of the approved style. If you are unsure about any item that you intend to purchase, please contact the school and we will be happy to advise you."

The guidance says only one item should be branded.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:50

Yalta · 12/07/2024 13:28

Have you ever tried to wear slim fit if you aren’t

Its like having a big bum but a tiny waist so the size that fits your bum has a huge gap around your waist

The problem with slim fit trousers is the size you need to get the legs to fit and not be tight fitting could be many sizes over what the you need to stop them falling off you

Sounds like a someone hasn’t taken account of where the school is.

Why can’t schools be sensible and look at designing a uniform that can be picked up in a supermarket and run a 2nd hand uniform shop once per week where the children can buy what they need

If they want to be as good as private schools then why does their uniform cost 3 times the price

My DD"s Primary was good like this. They had branded items but they weren't compulsory. I could pick up a whole uniform of skirt, polo and cardigan from a supermarket very cheaply. They also had a school shop open every day selling 2nd hand uniform for 50p a piece (among other things) - I got a fair bit from there too.

The cost of secondary uniform has hit me hard!

Cost of one Primary uniform: £11
Cost of one P.E kit: £11

(Approx cost and some of the prices were for multi packs!)

Cost of one Secondary uniform: £42
Cost of one P.E kit: £54

Yalta · 14/07/2024 10:49

Many parents do prefer a uniform

I had 11 year of anxiety over dc’s school uniform. Making sure everything was washed, dried and ironed and ready to wear for the morning. I would have much preferred non specific jeans, T Shirts and trainers

Both dd and ds have ADHD. The amount of money I spent on replacing lost uniform was an almost monthly expense I had to take account of in my household budget

Even between school and home they could lose stuff

Nothing was guaranteed to stay in the same place

DoNotScrapeMyDataBishes · 14/07/2024 10:48

whiteboardking · 13/07/2024 21:04

My kids love their blazers. Loads pockets to keep everything in. Carry more in blazers than their bags!
BUT rest of uniform is supermarket & just black / white apart from tie

I've just had to kit out the youngest for secondary (I'll come back to the cost), but we recently cleared out the eldest's blazer pockets after it weighed a bloody tonne - and I took a photo of it as it was jaw dropping (included 2 glue sticks, about 27 pepperami wrappers and a random shuttlecock) and ended up showing it to the uniform store woman who was helping fit out DD2 - who was so impressed with the storage capacity of the blazer pockets she showed all the team!

Ours is fairly sensible - we bought extras (logoed cardigans and more of the PE kit) and it came to £130 - could have done it for about £90 with just the required logo bits. Blazer is mandatory (but it's the same blazer and PE kit for both schools in the Trust - so more available second hand), tie (which differentiates the schools) and a PE top and then they tell us to get to wherever's got the sale on for the rest of the stuff.

They've also changed uniform rules 3 times this year to relax things down - all black trainer type shoes now allowed, blazers not required for the summer and they had a consultation document produced by the year 10 girls to revise PE shorts rules to meet between what the girls would like and what the school viewed as acceptable - and it was pretty impressive the level of clarification and way they'd taken the girls' views on board.

Incidentally - we have less issues with skirts up the arsecrack type boundary pushing than the local "would logo yer knickers if they could get away with it" hardline uniform school - I suspect they hang on longer to skirts because of the cost of them.

Smoothie23 · 14/07/2024 10:42

but many parents can't afford decent leather shoes for children with growing feet, that'll outgrow them far too quickly.
@Natsku
I buy Clarks leather. I get it at Clarks Outlet and only when there is sale. I buy few pairs in advance. I pay always less than £30 per pair

Natsku · 14/07/2024 10:37

TizerorFizz · 14/07/2024 10:23

@Natsku Why are decent leather shoes stiff? Thats the general choice here for children’s shoes. Maybe you should read about what’s best for growing feet? I never bought stiff shoes. But Crocs are informal leisure shoes and most schools I know of will not want them. If you can find a barefoot school here - well done. But you aren’t here I assume. Many parents do prefer a uniform but not an expensive one. It should be washable, long lasting, comfortable breathable fabrics like cotton and wool, and smart to instil belonging to the school. It’s not Forces standard but to me, it’s part of school life.

Here dc definitely wear expensive trainers and get high end designer gear for school if parents fork out for it. A uniform and limited choices can reduce this.

Decent leather shoes are ok but many parents can't afford decent leather shoes for children with growing feet, that'll outgrow them far too quickly. Instead they end up buying poor quality shoes that fall apart quickly. And the girls options are very often inappropriate for rainy weather so girls end up having wet feet all day which is not good for feet. Crocs are comfy and breathable, issue is that they're not good for running around in although my DD's classmate played every single baseball game at the end of term in crocs with no problems!

If uniforms were cotton, comfortable, and affordable I'm sure many would like them but they are nearly always horrid polyester (which I won't make my children wear) and expensive and not comfortable.

Uniforms have never been a thing here but brands still aren't a huge issue. When everyone is dressed the same children try to express themselves in the ways that they can, like with expensive shoes or bags, and non-uniform day becomes a fashion parade. But when they can wear whatever they want every single day, and have been raised to wear comfy clothes since they were babies, its not the same as non-uniform day at all.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:35

cupcaske123 · 12/07/2024 13:24

Are there any second hand options available OP? Can you look into grants to help with the cost?

There's statutory guidance in cost of uniform:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/cost-of-school-uniforms

Edited

There won't be second hand if it's a new uniform.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:33

DavidRosesEyebrows · 12/07/2024 13:17

Wear a slip😂 It's not the 1950s

I know! I wouldn't even know where to buy my DD a slip! However, she always wears cycling shorts under her skirt.

SummerDays2020 · 14/07/2024 10:31

thebluebeyond · 12/07/2024 13:14

my issue with this would be - what does it cost? and are people who thought they had the uniform sorted for the next few years suddenly being saddled with extra bills?

I think it is illegal for a school to insist on a single supplier though

Is it? We only have one supplier for ours and they're not even in our city!

Smoothie23 · 14/07/2024 10:30

TizerorFizz · 14/07/2024 09:56

@Needmorelego Lots wrong with crocs. Children need shoes properly fitted when feet are growing. That’s been known for a long time. Slopping around in crocs all day is terrible for feet and should not be acceptable in school. What you do at home is up to
you. I definitely would avoid a school that thought this was ok. I want higher standards. Some trainers are not much better. Sweaty horrible plastic “shoes” is a no from me and to be fair, I’ve never seen them worn around here.

The crocs wouldn't be the right shoes for school ws kids run but because if holes they are certainly not sweaty. And also they prevent accidents due to the rubber sole- not easy to slip in it. My son wear crocs when he goes swimming, beach and around home