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Enrolling an American 15 year old into state school. What are the legalities?

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tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 14:04

Want to ask some advice on putting a foreign 15 year old into the UK state school system. It sounds complicated but it's actually for a writing project.

If a teenager has come over from America, with one parent dead, and the other parent is a UK citizen and living here, but has not been involved in their life until now, and is not on their birth certificate, are their issues? Can that parent get the child enrolled in state school fairly quickly or is it a very long and complicate process? Are visas needed? Prove of paternity etc?

Any knowledge on this much appreciated

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Another2Cats · 05/07/2024 08:51

lljkk · 05/07/2024 03:39

I'm trying to figure out how dad could be listed on BC without dad knowing and kid ends up with Right of Abode.

Kid born in UK? Then mom probably had Right of Abode, so kid gets RofA regardless of whether dad had it? Except kid won't get RofA if mom leaves UK while kid is young unless Mom is a British citizen.

Kid born in USA: whether dad was named might depend on which state where kid was born, and just having his name wouldn't prove his identity as the genetic father. Also, he has to be married to the mom to pass on citizenship. This gets complicated...

If the scenario must be that parents weren't married then I think the Mom must be a British citizen to be sure the kid would have RofA

"I'm trying to figure out how dad could be listed on BC without dad knowing"

That was a suggestion by a PP. The OP stated that their story involved a dad who wasn't on the birth certificate.

"Also, he has to be married to the mom to pass on citizenship."

The law around this changed in 2006, so as long as the child was born after 1st July 2006, so would currently be no older than 17 (ok, or 18 years and 5 days), then either parent can pass on citizenship as long as they were able to (not all British citizens can pass on citizenship if the child is born abroad).

Before 1st July 2006 then, yes, the father would have to be married to the mother.

sashh · 05/07/2024 06:10

Kid born in USA: whether dad was named might depend on which state where kid was born, and just having his name wouldn't prove his identity as the genetic father. Also, he has to be married to the mom to pass on citizenship. This gets complicated...

The parents do not need to have been married, although if they were then that would simplify things.

sashh · 05/07/2024 05:50

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 15:48

Thanks for your response. Could they have come to UK just as a tourist and then apply for the visa once here?

Not legally but I do know of one case.

It was two primary aged children who were born and living in South Africa. Their mother passed away and their South African grandparents were in an old people's home so the children couldn't live there long term.

The father and the British grandparents could not get them in to the country legally as dad didn't earn enough money.

So they brought the children in to the country on a three month holiday visa.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10247573.burnley-dad-wins-battle-stop-children-deported-south-africa/

I'm guessing you are in the US.

The UK doesn't have a single system, Scotland has a different system.

The Parent would be a British citizen not a UK citizen. And the child is also a British Citizen although I don't know what is necessary as proof. British citizenship passes down one generation.

15 is a really really bad age to start at a school in the British system. I don't know if that is relevant to your writing.

lljkk · 05/07/2024 03:39

I'm trying to figure out how dad could be listed on BC without dad knowing and kid ends up with Right of Abode.

Kid born in UK? Then mom probably had Right of Abode, so kid gets RofA regardless of whether dad had it? Except kid won't get RofA if mom leaves UK while kid is young unless Mom is a British citizen.

Kid born in USA: whether dad was named might depend on which state where kid was born, and just having his name wouldn't prove his identity as the genetic father. Also, he has to be married to the mom to pass on citizenship. This gets complicated...

If the scenario must be that parents weren't married then I think the Mom must be a British citizen to be sure the kid would have RofA

tobyj · 05/07/2024 01:04

@Andwegoroundagain I think quite a few LAs ignore this. But in practical terms, a place still needs to be actually taken up very quickly after offer (ie the child attending within a couple of weeks), and if there's a waiting list then you still need evidence of the local address in order to be able to rank the applicant correctly, so in many cases it's not actually that helpful to the family relocating. In our LA we were told we needed a confirmed local address plus evidence of booked flights to the UK within the next couple of weeks in order to offer to an applicant still living overseas.

Andwegoroundagain · 04/07/2024 19:43

How interesting! My local council did not abide by this in my case !

tobyj · 04/07/2024 19:16

On fact, in some counties, state schools don't even need to check addresses - this is done by the LA.

tobyj · 04/07/2024 19:14

I've worked in both state and private schools, and actually your assumption is the opposite of the reality. State schools are obliged to check evidence of a child's identity and current address, but (in my LA at least) have no responsibility for checking visa status. If the name and address check out, then they offer a place on the assumption that the child has the right to study (though they can report a concern to the Home Office if they wish). It's for the authorities to identify families who are here illegally.

By contrast, private schools (which, unlike state schools, can pick and choose which students they offer places to) don't want to enrol students who are here illegally. So they will ask for a passport, and if it's not British then they will ask for evidence of the right to study (eg visa).

Where you're perhaps getting the opposite impression from is that some private schools (especially boarding schools) are visa sponsors - that is, they are set up with the Home Office to help students obtain the right to study.

MarchingFrogs · 04/07/2024 18:43

Andwegoroundagain · 04/07/2024 17:25

For info you can't actually apply for a school place until the child is in the country so that's another thing to consider. Makes planning difficult for state as you have to be here to apply but ypu may not want to fly over until you have the place

Actually, you can apply without the child being in the country

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/schools-admissions-applications-from-overseas-children#processing-school-applications-from-parents-moving-to-england

Enrolling an American 15 year old into state school. What are the legalities?
LizzieBananas · 04/07/2024 18:32

As a fan of this sort of book, make the kid a Year 9 (13-turning-14). The character is mature enough to support the narrative but it can be about something other than exams.

You could have the father on the birth certificate but never told about the kid. Maybe the name is slightly wrong : Robert/Bob. Maybe she gave his American address when he wasn’t there any more…

Andwegoroundagain · 04/07/2024 17:25

For info you can't actually apply for a school place until the child is in the country so that's another thing to consider. Makes planning difficult for state as you have to be here to apply but ypu may not want to fly over until you have the place

Another2Cats · 04/07/2024 17:22

@BlossomToLeaves makes a good point if it's a move in Year 11, but if it's Year 10 then not such an issue. One local council has this to say:

Moving to Cambridgeshire from abroad

In the UK, the law says children must be receiving an education between the school term after their fifth birthday and the last Friday in June in the school year they turn 16.

If you are moving from overseas, temporarily or permanently, your child may be eligible for a school place. You will need proof of your new address and child's age (further details can be found on the making an application page).

Your child must be:

  1. aged between 4 and 16
  2. intending to attend a Cambridgeshire school for at least 30 school days

If you are applying for a Year 11 school place between April and July, please don't submit an application. This is due to GCSE exams and study leave taking place during this period. Please email [email protected] for further guidance and include your full name, address and contact details.

We only process applications for Cambridgeshire (but not Peterborough) state schools. We do not manage admissions for independent (fee paying) schools.

Making an application (in-year school admissions)

https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/residents/children-and-families/schools-learning/apply-for-a-school-place/in-year-admissions/making-an-application

BlossomToLeaves · 04/07/2024 16:58

I think it would be much more complicated even once the visa/immigration/legal side is sorted out, as schools wouldn't just let them apply and turn up if they are in year 11. There'd be all sorts of discussions about GCSEs, what to do, which ones, part-time, whether to start year 10 instead, etc. More likely would be a private school taking them, and putting them back to year 10 to start, and even that would need negotiation.

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 16:39

Thanks everyone for your answers. This is very helpful!

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Peoneve · 04/07/2024 16:26

If they are here then like any other immigrant almost nothing is required
present at a school with places with hopefully proof of age and address

post 16 is harder due to esfa funding

probably able to start the same or next day

laughing at the idea of an application process. Yurn up . Fill in a form. Hopefully have id. Good to go

school will be pissed of a bit if not a new arrivals school and in y10 or y11 as us kids are typically behind gcse and English speaking

Spinet · 04/07/2024 16:19

Is getting into the school when here essential to the story? Could they already have arranged an exchange program with their US school?

Another2Cats · 04/07/2024 16:17

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 16:09

Thanks for this. Really helpful. Yeah the idea is that they come over here as a tourist, having been given permission by the grandparent. And the parent, yes the father is British and born in the UK. It's middle of term time and the father tries to get things moving quickly but if the school has space, what you're saying from the bottom of your post is that they will just go through the normal application process and trust when the dad says he's her dad and not need any visa stuff?

Yes the school will just go through the normal application process. However, once the child has been offered a place then it is quite normal to be asked to provide a UK birth certificate in order to make sure they have the correct name and date of birth. If you cannot provide a UK birth certificate then they will ask to see the child's passport.

If the school has any concerns about the child's eligibility then they will still be admitted but may pass on these concerns to the Home Office.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 04/07/2024 16:11

I had to provide a copy of my child's birth certificate when she first enrolled into school. You need someone who has moved from abroad part way through school to find out what they needed to provide since the school records aren't available for the child.

Another2Cats · 04/07/2024 16:09

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 15:48

Thanks for your response. Could they have come to UK just as a tourist and then apply for the visa once here?

A family visa, isn't appropriate in this case as the child already has a British parent. The family visa is for children whose parent/s is/are not British.

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 16:09

Another2Cats · 04/07/2024 16:03

"... it's actually for a writing project."

So, this is just for a story you'e writing?

If a teenager has come over from America, with one parent dead, and the other parent is a UK citizen and living here, but has not been involved in their life until now, and is not on their birth certificate, are their issues?

In order to attend a British state school the child must either have a right of abode (eg be a British citizen or have ILR, the British equivalent of a US Green Card) or have some other status like being a refugee.

From your OP I assume that they do not have a British passport.

First question, how did they get into the country? As a tourist?

Secondly, which country was the British parent born in? If not born in the UK then that could prevent the child becoming a British citizen. Which country was the child born in?

I assume the British parent is the father. If he is not on the birth certificate then he needs other evidence such as DNA tests or Court Orders that show paternity (British Nationality (Proof of Paternity) Regulations 2006).

You can then register the child as a British citizen by descent. This will involve providing evidence of the British parent's status and also, since the child is over the age of ten, there is also a "good character requirement" to meet ie they don't have any serious criminal convictions.

Once this has been done, you can then apply for a British passport for the child and then you're good to go.

Either that or come over as a tourist, and then just don't ever leave the country. Schools in the UK do not check the immigration status of pupils in their school, that's down to the parents being honest.

Thanks for this. Really helpful. Yeah the idea is that they come over here as a tourist, having been given permission by the grandparent. And the parent, yes the father is British and born in the UK. It's middle of term time and the father tries to get things moving quickly but if the school has space, what you're saying from the bottom of your post is that they will just go through the normal application process and trust when the dad says he's her dad and not need any visa stuff?

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Misthios · 04/07/2024 16:07

Missed it was fictional!

tomwardthomas · 04/07/2024 16:05

Misthios · 04/07/2024 15:51

Could they have come to UK just as a tourist and then apply for the visa once here?

from my extensive knowledge gleaned from Border Force and similar on telly, that’s a big no no.

poor kid though, is there nobody in the US who could take care of him/her until at least they’ve finished school??

Yeah, don't worry. It's a fictional scenario. Once the child has arrived and the dad has accepted her, they need to go about looking for schools etc and I have no idea what the process is there, whether the schools require evidence of the visa (I think private schools don't but this would be state)

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Another2Cats · 04/07/2024 16:03

"... it's actually for a writing project."

So, this is just for a story you'e writing?

If a teenager has come over from America, with one parent dead, and the other parent is a UK citizen and living here, but has not been involved in their life until now, and is not on their birth certificate, are their issues?

In order to attend a British state school the child must either have a right of abode (eg be a British citizen or have ILR, the British equivalent of a US Green Card) or have some other status like being a refugee.

From your OP I assume that they do not have a British passport.

First question, how did they get into the country? As a tourist?

Secondly, which country was the British parent born in? If not born in the UK then that could prevent the child becoming a British citizen. Which country was the child born in?

I assume the British parent is the father. If he is not on the birth certificate then he needs other evidence such as DNA tests or Court Orders that show paternity (British Nationality (Proof of Paternity) Regulations 2006).

You can then register the child as a British citizen by descent. This will involve providing evidence of the British parent's status and also, since the child is over the age of ten, there is also a "good character requirement" to meet ie they don't have any serious criminal convictions.

Once this has been done, you can then apply for a British passport for the child and then you're good to go.

Either that or come over as a tourist, and then just don't ever leave the country. Schools in the UK do not check the immigration status of pupils in their school, that's down to the parents being honest.

Chersfrozenface · 04/07/2024 16:01

To be fair, at least the OP is checking the veracity of the processes described in OP's piece of fiction.

Unlike a large number of published authors, some of them very well-known and successful.

So well done, OP.

BruFord · 04/07/2024 15:57

Thanks, @Meadowtrees , I skim read it and was all prepared to get worried about the poor child! 😂