Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Friend won appeal based on lie

87 replies

Cartwrightandson · 19/06/2024 18:30

Just found out a friend has won her appeal based on a lie.

For admission to church of England school, it's church attendance every 2 weeks for over 2 years, friend was awarded 25 points when minimum or last child admitted received 30 points. Friend has got member of the catholic church to write a supporting letter stating church attendance was over 2 years. When it wasn't.

I'm just stunned..this isn't the person I know, lying like this. It means someone else's child won't get a place, as it was oversubscribed..

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
TheChipmunkSong · 25/06/2024 21:13

You are carried away. Churches are full of people in all ages. You are talking about minorities

Nowordsformethanks · 25/06/2024 14:51

Shrugsandruns · 19/06/2024 22:15

It’s almost like….perhaps….we shouldn’t have discriminatory religion based schools isn’t it

No it's almost like people shouldn't lie to get into anywhere...but it's popular on here to accept what we wouldn't accept anywhere else because people choose to attend a school that already has rules in place, then hate and thwart those rules. A for Good behaviour and Entitlement.

TheChipmunkSong · 25/06/2024 14:46

AndiOliversGlasses · 24/06/2024 17:09

Are “we” indeed? Did you miss that Scotland voted No in the Independence Referendum?

she assumes everybody here is from England and refers to her country which is England and not United countries... United Kingdom

AndiOliversGlasses · 24/06/2024 17:09

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 24/06/2024 12:35

Why? We are a CofE country.

Are “we” indeed? Did you miss that Scotland voted No in the Independence Referendum?

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 24/06/2024 12:35

Babbahabba · 20/06/2024 13:40

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget no state faith schools should exist. Self funding/private schools- up to them.

Why? We are a CofE country.

ThePassageOfTime · 21/06/2024 23:13

Babbahabba · 19/06/2024 18:31

Good. Admission to state funded schools shouldn't be dependent on faith anyway- they should all be secular. It's discriminatory.

This a thousand times

Beat the discriminatory bastards at their own game

TheChipmunkSong · 21/06/2024 18:45

merryhouse · 21/06/2024 17:56

My children went to a CoE primary (two nearest were both CoE, this one had a nursery). One of my fellow school governors, whose father was a Vicar and Canon, sent her children to the RC secondary school because there aren't any CE secondaries round here. Specifically for religious reasons, not academic or pastoral ones.

(I was as surprised as you, thinking surely a Christian parent wouldn't want them to be somewhere they weren't accepted at communion, but she considered it better than a secular alternative.)

Really odd especially because he was a vicar

merryhouse · 21/06/2024 17:56

TheChipmunkSong · 20/06/2024 10:26

I don't know about CoE but nobody who doesn't have at least Catholic origin ( non practicing baptised Catholic) and would send their kid to Catholic school.

Simply the amount of Catholic brainwashing they do there is not for people of a different faith: RE twice a week, masses, retreats with priest etc etc

It is not easy to completely fake to be Catholic.

Catholic secondary schools are not only about prayers at the beginning of the day and the end. It is a whole elaborate mind conditioning

My children went to a CoE primary (two nearest were both CoE, this one had a nursery). One of my fellow school governors, whose father was a Vicar and Canon, sent her children to the RC secondary school because there aren't any CE secondaries round here. Specifically for religious reasons, not academic or pastoral ones.

(I was as surprised as you, thinking surely a Christian parent wouldn't want them to be somewhere they weren't accepted at communion, but she considered it better than a secular alternative.)

TheChipmunkSong · 21/06/2024 08:57

Blimpton · 20/06/2024 22:41

Because their scores on numeracy and literacy are through the roof compared to other local schools? Because class sizes are smaller and bullying is non existent? Kids can tolerate a few fairy tales if it gets them a good education.

Class sizes are not smaller and many good Catholic schools are way beyond PAN.
Bullying exists everywhere. It is just discipline and values that change the frequency of it. It is also how strict the Catholic are in dealing with it.

A vast number of kids in Catholic schools are of European origin: Polish, Portuguese, Irish. In big cities they account for more than half of the school

I don't think atheist understand the extent of religion that is in Catholic schools. They thing it is just every day prayers as in CoE
No, it is not. The Catholic RE is at GCSE even.

Blimpton · 20/06/2024 22:41

TheChipmunkSong · 20/06/2024 22:37

And I am not surprised. Why would any non Catholic or a non Orthodox subject her child to Catholic school? It is not łike with CoE schools where hardly there is any religion

Because their scores on numeracy and literacy are through the roof compared to other local schools? Because class sizes are smaller and bullying is non existent? Kids can tolerate a few fairy tales if it gets them a good education.

TheChipmunkSong · 20/06/2024 22:37

Lazytiger · 20/06/2024 16:10

Sorry I made no sense!
When the 50% rule around new faith schools was brought in the Catholic Church refused to set up any more faith schools as they refused to reject Catholics in favour of non Catholics.

And I am not surprised. Why would any non Catholic or a non Orthodox subject her child to Catholic school? It is not łike with CoE schools where hardly there is any religion

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 19:00

Coming from Scotland I can’t tell you how hilarious I find it that a Catholic would willingly choose a Protestant school, or that a priest would collude in enabling them to go there.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 20/06/2024 18:50

S0livagant · 19/06/2024 22:21

I didn't know CofE schools did this. Many villages the CofE is the local school, are non church attending families forced to go elsewhere if the school is oversubscribed?

Yes - when we were applying for Reception, we lived in an area that had a rather a limited geographic reach and of our 6 nearest primaries, 5 admitted all their pupils under the religious criteria.

We're atheist with Jewish heritage, so didn't tick the boxes and so didn't qualify for any of our nearest schools.

HelpMeGetThrough · 20/06/2024 18:13

I would leave off your judgement- leave that to God! 😆

I think he's got enough to worry about in the world, he's in over his head as it is.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 20/06/2024 16:22

daffodilandtulip · 20/06/2024 06:53

How can you possibly know if someone was / was not watching an online service each Sunday morning?

Exactly. Lie is an aggressive way to frame this. Sounds like an exaggeration at worst. It's very difficult to get to church regularly with kids (as they moan and resist it so much and have competing extra- curriculars) - it sounds like this person's faith is pretty important to them if they've been going regularly for a year (and presumably the kid is baptised etc or the priest wouldn't have signed anything). I would leave off your judgement- leave that to God! 😆

coxesorangepippin · 20/06/2024 16:20

Why am I not surprised by the catholic church

Blimpton · 20/06/2024 16:14

So would it be ok if she was an atheist who attended the correct number of church services to get her child a place? The whole thing is ridiculous. Parents shouldn’t have to jump through hoops and pretend to be religious just to get their kids into a better school!

Lazytiger · 20/06/2024 16:10

Sorry I made no sense!
When the 50% rule around new faith schools was brought in the Catholic Church refused to set up any more faith schools as they refused to reject Catholics in favour of non Catholics.

Lazytiger · 20/06/2024 16:06

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 20/06/2024 09:38

Do you all think Muslim schools should be abolished, or just CofE?

Do you think muslims should open up thier school sto let your children attend?

Funny how its always CofE that should be done away with 🙄

That's the point. New faith schools had to accept 50% non faith students. Catholic church refused to set anymore as they refused to reject non Catholics. The Muslim schools happily set up in the knowledge that only Muslims wanted to go. That is why they government are trying to revoke the faith schools cap.

Lazytiger · 20/06/2024 15:57

EmpressOfTheThread · 19/06/2024 18:37

Why would the RC cleric write in support of a C of E school? Confused!

didn't want the child of a liar going to a local Catholic school? Churches together gives you 'points' if you are a Christian church goer. Less points than if you go regularly to a CofE but more than if you are other faith or no faith.

Wantedfghj · 20/06/2024 14:05

Why do you care?

TheChipmunkSong · 20/06/2024 14:01

user149799568 · 20/06/2024 13:31

For Catholic schools the requirements are often very strict e.g. child has to be baptised within the first half a year of their life, priests checking presence after the masses etc

Doesn't that apply only to oversubscribed RC schools? For undersubscribed RC schools, won't they take any child to make up the numbers? Or do you not consider those to be "real Catholic" schools?

Edited

Oversubscribed. But I think that the problem here people have with oversubscribed schools. Nearly all Catholic schools have in their admission policy the last criterion which is " All other children". But it never is the case in oversubscribed schools as siblings, catholic kids, and orthodox are taking all PAN.
Undersubscribed Catholic schools in most cases do take children of other denominations

Luckoftheirishx · 20/06/2024 13:45

Kindly, OP, I would advise you to get real problems. Is it a much better school? Resourceful parenting if so!

Babbahabba · 20/06/2024 13:40

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget no state faith schools should exist. Self funding/private schools- up to them.

user149799568 · 20/06/2024 13:31

TheChipmunkSong · 20/06/2024 10:33

@EmberAsh Faith schools shouldn't exist in my opinion and the admission criteria are setting the schools up for lies and deception.

You are offending this way people who are truly religious.For Catholic schools the requirements are often very strict e.g. child has to be baptised within the first half a year of their life, priests checking presence after the masses etc

Aren't the property prices driven around the top comprehensive also a lie and deception? People move just to get in and then they move out once they got in

For Catholic schools the requirements are often very strict e.g. child has to be baptised within the first half a year of their life, priests checking presence after the masses etc

Doesn't that apply only to oversubscribed RC schools? For undersubscribed RC schools, won't they take any child to make up the numbers? Or do you not consider those to be "real Catholic" schools?