How oversubscribed are your local schools? Will they be able to take on students who are currently privately-educated?

If you do a little research you will see @Sirine1708 is right.. roughly the same number sat the exams in the Autumn for Tiffin - they publish this data on their website, although we don't know how many out of the 600 plus actually put Tiffin down on their application - that data will be available soon from Kingston council.

From looking at other other forums it does look like the wait list is moving more slowly this year than in previous years - although it looks like this may be down to admin failures if you read this threads on the eleven plus forum.

I know people from my daughter's primary who were offered Twickenham on NOD despite not having listed it (because we live about 5 miles and a 40 minute rush hour bus journey away

Was it this year? This year All Preferences Met at Twickenham.But now, for those who wished to apply later ( e.g. didn't include Twickenham in preference list but had zero offers and have no school to go to), there is a waiting list at Twickenham school* *

There were also some people who at the time had no offer, living even further away from Twickenham.
The question is if they put Twickenham school as one of the preferences @AbsintheAndChips

Actually, I don't think this is correct. I know people from my daughter's primary who were offered Twickenham on NOD despite not having listed it (because we live about 5 miles and a 40 minute rush hour bus journey away). They were offered Twickenham because their application choices, which were nearer to them, were all filled with applications higher up the ranking and Twickenham had spaces. There were also some people who at the time had no offer, living even further away from Twickenham. It shakes out in the end (or it has done in the past) because close to 25% of children go private over the borough as a whole and so places become free, and by the time the autumn term comes round everyone has a place. But if the number of privately educated children drops considerably I can easily see there being a problem in future.

In the Richmond school places planning strategy, there seem to be around 75 empty Y7 places in secondary schools at the last published count (2022). This means that the schools at that point were 96.5% full for Y7.

never heard of detailed plan before any party in any country gained power, @OhCrumbsWhereNow
but page 4 say a lot.

and btw I will not vote Labour but LibDem

Anybody then ruthless Tories

I read the manifesto cover to cover.

Where is the detailed plan for extra money for education?

They appear to be using the (now reduced) take from VAT on private schools to pay for a whole host of different things... new nurseries (£12k allocated for each...), 6,500 new specialist teachers (from where?), mental health specialist in every school - I'm assuming these will be full-time given the numbers needing help - do we have 25,000 mental health specialists waiting in the wings?

In addition the same pot of cash is paying for Youth Hubs, career services, CPD for HTs and teachers, early language development and reforming Ofsted.

It's the feeding of the 5,000...

The worse is that the move from private to state would be to the worst schools because the places in the best schools are taken in y7.
Unless they remortgage up to the roof and move in front of the best comprehensive securing top place on the waiting list but that can take 1-2 years

Of course it's distressed people! People who are worried that they'll have to uproot their child from school or find money that they don't have. And people who are worried they're about to lose their job. For those people, it is quite legitimately a massive concern.

No, that's not their plan.
It's the other fiscal decisions.
I think that this VAT thing has distressed some people and created - how many threads?, however it isn't the alpha et omega of the situation. It's quite interesting to read how the revenue plans are laid out.
"Fag packet" (sic) they are not.
Anyway, I'm off to school now! Hoping we'll be firefighting at work for not too much longer. 🤞 Ciao.

In the case of education, the only plan to raise money is the VAT policy, which (as discussed at length on many threads) they have no proper data on, so no real idea whether it will raise any money at all - it could even lose money. They'd better hope not, because otherwise (according to their own manifesto), they don't have any money at all to bring about these promised changes in education.

Strangely enough, investing in public services is appealing to many people. Not just "the hard left".
If you read Labour's manifesto you can see how they plan to generate income. However. It will be a hard slog after the economy has been so devastated by the shocking mismanagement of the previous 14 years.

With what? The magic 1.5bn they think they're going to make out of this made-up-on-the-hoof bit of red meat for the hard left?

All the parties say they care about public services - but doing anything major costs a lot of money and no government anywhere has that right now or any time soon.

Maybe. As you say - we'll see.

Yes. I have read the Conservative manifesto. I don't believe it. They do not now, nor have they ever, effectively supported the public sector.
Labour made a difference to state schools before.
Significantly. They'll do so again.

Of course the Tories say they care about state education! Have you read the manifesto? 'Education is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet'. 'Giving every child the chance to go to a good school.' Could have been written by Labour. It's all empty words - on both sides - without both the policies and the money to back it up.

I agree with you that Labour are more committed to public services. Which is why I'm genuinely sad that I don't feel I can vote for them. Don't know who I'll vote for yet.

There’s not many private schools in my area, plus a number of state schools that are typically undersubscribed - particularly primary schools because of falling birth rates - so I reckon that the state school system in my area could probably absorb the extra pupils without too much trouble even if all of the private schools closed down.
Not that I think it likely that all the private schools would close. Some of the smaller ones perhaps, but not all.

Although for most of the private secondary school pupils, if entering state school as a in-year transfer, they’d would probably be offered places at those undersubscribed schools rather than at the more desirable popular schools.

Also I know of a couple of schools in my region that used to be private schools, but they converted to state schools some years ago. I think when the government was encouraging that free school academy thing. Is that sort of thing still an option for private schools?

What party doesn't say that?
The Conservatives.
Reform.
Vote for who you want to. I just think we need a government with a commitment to public services. That is uniquely Labour (I don't think the Greens will form a government).

Not good enough, sorry. Vote for us because we 'care about state education' (what party doesn't say that?!), and because the previous Labour regime that got elected nearly 30 years ago actually did good things, but we won't provide any proper detail about what we're actually going to do or how we're going to achieve change. Vote for us because we're not quite as bad as the other lot. And because we'll push through a dog-whistle policy that's been written on the back of a fag packet that even our own ministers don't understand, to pretend we're doing something radical - but we don't actually know what impact it's going to have, because we've done bugger all research. No.

Quite apart from the policy itself, the way that Labour are handling it is outrageous. They've said it will be brought in 'as soon as possible' but won't give any time line, and they've hinted at exemptions but won't say what those are. There are families whose kids will be breaking up for the summer on or before election day who have no idea if they're saying goodbye to their friends and teachers for good, or whether their parents will still be able to afford to send them back next term. Parents who have no idea whether they should be applying for a state place now, before the schools break up and it's too late. If Labour had a shred of compassion, they'd announce now that this policy will take time to implement properly, so they won't start it until next September. But that would lose votes on the left, so they won't. I've voted Labour in almost every election since 1997, but no way I'm doing it this time.

Well we shall see. Whatever the Labour government does for education, it'll be an improvement. It's quite a kow bar after these 14 years, but there you go.

Hey, I'm not defending the Tories' record on education. Never voted for them, never will. And yes, pupil numbers fluctuate. But if a percentage of parents want to save the state 7k a year by paying for education, then that reduces the tax funding needed to pay for the rest. Blair knew what he stood for. Starmer is trying to play to all sides of the gallery. An ideological tax on private schools to appeal to the left, while telling the right that he has 'nothing against' private schools and that his top priority is wealth creation.

Labour doesn't pay to educate anyone.
The taxpayer does.
Often we get extra children through peaks of migration or a bit of a birth increase.
If they come to us in other ways, we will do the best we can, which will be easier with a government which values state education and which will plan and invest in accordingly.

I agree with you on that. But where I disagree is that Labour somehow makes that job easier for itself by increasing the number of children it needs to pay to educate. Blair understood that perfectly well.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
Time will tell. However, the important thing for the whole of society is to have a decent standard of state education for all children because we all benefit from that.
So improvements are going to happen, which is good news for the whole of society.

Great, and that may happen. But if it does, I don't think it will have anything to do with this policy.

Because - as happened before, the pay and conditions of service improved so they could recruit and retain more teachers. There was more support and smaller class sizes. Oh, and more resources and we could actually go on cpd courses.
It's really not that hard to understand. Labour supports state education.

I'm very dubious that this policy will raise enough money to make any appreciable difference. And I'd love to know how Labour are planning to recruit lots more teachers in the current climate. But we'll see. I'd genuinely love to be wrong. If Labour are going to go through with this policy, which will have a very negative impact on a lot of families, children and private school staff, then I'd much rather it was at least beneficial in the long run.