VAT and removal of 50% cap on scholarships

It is envy - it is blaming one’s outcomes on those who are more successful. People have to take ownership, have drive etc. Why should those parents put plasters on social issues? It’s the govt as usual not addressing the core issues.,Britain lacks a lot of social support and core strength

What are you basing your assertions of envy on?

Can you think of any other reasoning behind people's opposition to private schools?

As a teacher these kinds of thought exercises should be familiar to you.

Well that begs the question why do people spend all that money on private schools. Frankly, I believe the teaching is better in state schools being one myself (😂). But you and others are simply in denial if you think you’re not doing this to give your child a head start! Hence, the unfairness of it all!

You haven’t addressed my comment about universities seeing right through this and giving contextual offers to state school children as a consequence of the unfairness.

It is envy - it is blaming one’s outcomes on those who are more successful. People have to take ownership, have drive etc. Why should those parents put plasters on social issues? It’s the govt as usual not addressing the core issues.,Britain lacks a lot of social support and core strength

I didn't say they all had, I said it should be removed. They are not charities although they masquerade as charities.

It is not envy that is a ridiculous line people pull to keep the is unfairness going in society. We need a fair and balanced society and tackling inequality in education would make a massive difference.

Around half of private schools don’t have charitable status.

They should remove charitable status- private schools are not charities, they are businesses and some are very wealthy land and property owners.

It is headlines and lies. Nothing will change - not for the good. We need billions but that is not the answer. Envy will not solve it

I have been teaching for 25 years in state schools. I am telling you, we are only a small % of impact.

Our ego might want to say different but you do know deep down, that your pupils hand genetics and home life - natural ability etc that totally defines their outcomes.

@Hatty999 I’m not threatened by it, but I see the unfairness of it all! My eyes are open to this clearly yours are not.

Interesting as a state school teacher who has been teaching as you I strongly disagree

I don't know if I understand correctly, and tbh there's so little detail about how this would work I doubt it'll happen, but Labour wouldn't remove charity status. Therefore the schools who still have this, would, using my common sense here, keep whatever benefits that brings, aka VAT exemption.
If my understanding is correct, it would be the for profit schools that are effected, which is only fair as they are quite ruthless businesses.

I have been teaching for 25 years in state schools. I am telling you, we are only a small % of impact.

Well that begs the question why do people spend all that money on private schools. Frankly, I believe the teaching is better in state schools being one myself (😂). But you and others are simply in denial if you think you’re not doing this to give your child a head start! Hence, the unfairness of it all!

You haven’t addressed my comment about universities seeing right through this and giving contextual offers to state school children as a consequence of the unfairness.

You are assuming that the teaching is not excellent in state schools? I would beg to differ. The outcomes are different because of other factors. School is just 1/3 or less of the determiner of success. To assume anything more is just denial

I have been teaching for 25 years in state schools. I am telling you, we are only a small % of impact.

School is just 1/3 or less of the determiner of success. To assume anything more is just denial

Can you link me to your source for that stat? I'd like to compare the study with the one I just posted that says otherwise.

You are assuming that the teaching is not excellent in state schools? I would beg to differ. The outcomes are different because of other factors. School is just 1/3 or less of the determiner of success. To assume anything more is just denial

Don’t believe everything you read. Lots of data will have political bias.

If the pupils have a good school it's just a tiny % of what makes them successful.

That may be a comforting view, but it doesn't reflect reality.

"The Sutton Trust’s Leading People (2016), and the Social Mobility Commission’s Elitist Britain (2014) painted a picture of a country whose power structures are dominated by a narrow section of the population: the 7% who attend independent schools, and the roughly 1% who graduate from just two universities, Oxford and Cambridge. Looking at the five years since 2014, Elitist Britain 2019 shows isolated pockets of positive change, but a picture characterised by persistent inequality."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/elitist-britain-2019/elitist-britain-2019-the-educational-backgrounds-of-britains-leading-people

Maybe fail is a bit strong, however, it likely that they would not do as well in a state school. Just like state school children would likely do better in private schools. This is one of the main reasons parents choose private schools as they know that their children will have more resources and hence do better in their exams - yes there are other reasons but if people are honest it's about getting excellent results. This is why universities have contextual offers for many who attend state schools as they know it's harder to get good results in state schools compared to private, not impossible, I know and there are many examples, but when you compare results of private versus state they are miles apart.

The education system is fundamental unfair in this country if you can pay you get excellence and choice and that is not fair.

Why do you think they would fail in state schools? Fail what? What evidence do you have? You seem to have prejudice and stereotyping guiding you?