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UKMT maths challenges - how to?

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justanotherdaduser · 18/04/2024 10:47

Would like to understand how children who do well in the UKMT maths challenges (junior, intermediate etc) prepare, whether they prepare at all etc

DD (year 8) is okayish in maths - in top set and get usually 85% and over in class exams, but not innately brilliant (in my opinion)

I used to teach her maths in primary, specifically for 11plus preparation, but have stopped since end of year 6.

The teaching in class is focused on breadth first, quickly moving from one topic to another, not spending enough time on any one topic to develop deeper understanding. I think the school aims to iterate over these same topics repeatedly for the next few years before GCSE.

For example, I think most of the class can solve simultaneous equation of two variables, but will probably struggle with a third variable and likely to struggle with a complexly worded problem where sentences may not easily be translated into simultaneous equations.

So DD struggles with the UKMT challenges - about the first 50% of the questions are doable, she finds the later half harder.

I feel there is benefit in doing these papers - encourages out of box thinking, helps in developing much deeper understanding of the topic, builds resiliency etc. I am encouraging her to do them seriously (school makes all top set students take the UKMT challenges), but also conflicted that maybe I shouldn't push too hard because unsure whether these problem solving skills are meant to come naturally.

Question is - if your DC does (or did) well in these challenges, did they prepare specifically for such types of questions? Or was school work enough for them to do well?

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justanotherdaduser · 18/04/2024 12:24

NotQuiteHere · 18/04/2024 12:05

DD struggles with the UKMT challenges - about the first 50% of the questions are doable, she finds the later half harder

Talking about UKMT Junior Maths Challenge, to get Gold certificate in 2023, she would have needed 82 marks which is equivalent to getting correct the first 15 questions that score 5 marks each and a couple of harder questions 16-25 worth 6 marks each.
So if your daughter gets the first half of the questions correct without any extra preparation, well done her!

thank you, that made me feel better 😀

Have to admit, some of the later questions, somewhere around 20 to 25 are quite tricky even for grown ups! I am not a maths teacher, but have two degrees in maths adjacent areas (applied) and spent over an hour yesterday trying to solve the later questions 😂

Kudos to the children who excel in these type of problem solving.

If anyone else is wondering about this, I came across a maths tutor blog post here 'UKMT Maths Challenge – benefits for pupils and tutors'

It convinced me the challenges are worth spending some time on for DC -

https://rickanderson.co.uk/ukmt-maths-challenge-benefits-for-pupils-and-tutors

UKMT Maths Challenge - benefits for pupils and tutors - Rick Anderson - Tutor

UKMT is the United Kingdom Maths Trust which on foundation in 1996 brought together a trio of similar pre-existing Maths challenges at three different age groups, the Junior, Intermediate and Senior tests. Dr. Tony Gardiner is the name most associated...

https://rickanderson.co.uk/ukmt-maths-challenge-benefits-for-pupils-and-tutors

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SpringOfContentment · 18/04/2024 12:21

Never did anything with DS1. He gets a bronze or silver each time. We threw a previous paper DS2's way when the teacher mentioned it. He came top in year, and progressed to the Kangaroo.

This year (Y8) DS2 wants top in school. Parallel (on line) usually has lots of maths challange style questions. He also did the first half of his brothers intermediate paper earlier this year.....
But nothing specific done. The end questions are meant to make you think!

justanotherdaduser · 18/04/2024 12:14

Araminta1003 · 18/04/2024 11:55

If you want to prepare the past papers and answers are online on the site. This is to up confidence with the format. My boys both gifted at maths were encouraged to do the challenges in state schools from the earliest they were allowed to, and I think one was given papers in primary to practise with because he was always years ahead so they had to engage him somehow and it is quite playful stuff (the latter question) so it would keep him busy. They seemed to give him stuff from other sites too, something like Nrich. There must be way more out there now.

thank you, yes, their website is very useful.
Also Dr Frost has a superb UKMT section.

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NotQuiteHere · 18/04/2024 12:05

DD struggles with the UKMT challenges - about the first 50% of the questions are doable, she finds the later half harder

Talking about UKMT Junior Maths Challenge, to get Gold certificate in 2023, she would have needed 82 marks which is equivalent to getting correct the first 15 questions that score 5 marks each and a couple of harder questions 16-25 worth 6 marks each.
So if your daughter gets the first half of the questions correct without any extra preparation, well done her!

Araminta1003 · 18/04/2024 11:55

If you want to prepare the past papers and answers are online on the site. This is to up confidence with the format. My boys both gifted at maths were encouraged to do the challenges in state schools from the earliest they were allowed to, and I think one was given papers in primary to practise with because he was always years ahead so they had to engage him somehow and it is quite playful stuff (the latter question) so it would keep him busy. They seemed to give him stuff from other sites too, something like Nrich. There must be way more out there now.

Testingprof · 18/04/2024 10:59

He didn’t do very much prep work in terms of homework and from what I’ve since seen of his school work nor did they do any in school. He is naturally gifted though and maths is his strongest subject. He came out with a gold award (he’s year 8 this year).

justanotherdaduser · 18/04/2024 10:55

Testingprof · 18/04/2024 10:51

We haven’t prepared DS for it. Nor did we last year.

Thank you.

Was your DS solving similar questions for a while as part of school work/homework, or maybe on his own initiative?

Or did he just take the exam on the day?

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Testingprof · 18/04/2024 10:51

We haven’t prepared DS for it. Nor did we last year.

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