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MFL GCSEs - Is Spanish, French, or German easiest to get a high grade?

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LimeSqueezer · 31/03/2024 23:48

DS has hated French throughout primary (Y6 now) and needs to pick two languages for Sep in Y7, one of which he must carry through to GCSE. Very bright boy, great at maths, reading, and verbal skills, but ASD, not great spelling in English, and finds speaking and listening in French really hard and just doesn't enjoy it. I'm wondering about picking Spanish and German for next year instead of trying to continue with French, with an idea that Spanish is probably the easiest of the three GCSE choices. Thoughts?

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Ioverslept · 07/04/2024 14:08

I agree German would give him more of an edge and so many people do Spanish including many native or bilingual kids but honestly any MFL he likes would he great for him to do!

Annasoror · 07/04/2024 14:00

I'm really sorry to hear he doesn't like French, as I'm a French teacher - but it sounds to me as if German might be his language - v logical and quite close to English in a lot of ways. It's also a bit more distinctive. So many people do Spanish these days.

LimeSqueezer · 06/04/2024 00:18

fashionqueen1183 · 05/04/2024 23:20

I’d go for German!
I was a A student at
most subjects but could not grasp French at all. Couldn’t wait to drop it after year 9. But I did GCSE German and got an A star and then got a B at A Level. I wouldn’t have imagined myself doing a language at A level when we just did French in year 7 but then we started German in year 8 and I loved it.
German to me, sounded so much like English. It’s logical. It has grammar which I found easy to remember.

So reassuring, thanks, all! Fingers crossed then that between German and Spanish next year, one might click!

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whiteboardking · 06/04/2024 00:15

My boy is a logical mathematician.
He loves German

fashionqueen1183 · 05/04/2024 23:20

I’d go for German!
I was a A student at
most subjects but could not grasp French at all. Couldn’t wait to drop it after year 9. But I did GCSE German and got an A star and then got a B at A Level. I wouldn’t have imagined myself doing a language at A level when we just did French in year 7 but then we started German in year 8 and I loved it.
German to me, sounded so much like English. It’s logical. It has grammar which I found easy to remember.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/04/2024 23:00

LimeSqueezer · 31/03/2024 23:48

DS has hated French throughout primary (Y6 now) and needs to pick two languages for Sep in Y7, one of which he must carry through to GCSE. Very bright boy, great at maths, reading, and verbal skills, but ASD, not great spelling in English, and finds speaking and listening in French really hard and just doesn't enjoy it. I'm wondering about picking Spanish and German for next year instead of trying to continue with French, with an idea that Spanish is probably the easiest of the three GCSE choices. Thoughts?

I was head of a Scottish high school faculty that included the MFL Dept.

Most anglophones find Spanish the easiest language to pick up.

LimeSqueezer · 05/04/2024 22:59

Vive42 · 05/04/2024 09:40

Many autistic students enjoy Latin, if that was offered?

No oral and very logical.

It's required in Y8, and I'm hoping he'll enjoy it, but he can only get out of MFL at GCSE if he does both Latin and also Ancient Greek - which might be a bit much! But we haven't ruled it out, either.

Also, haven't ruled out talking to the SENCo about getting out of MFL if necessary when GCSEs are closer, but I hope to avoid this. I'm actually a huge proponent of languages, so hoping if we pick two, at least one might turn out ok-ish.

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SpringOfContentment · 05/04/2024 10:08

Given he already has a negative opinion of French, I'd go for Spanish and German.
FWIW, both me and my oldest are dyslexic, and STEM orientated. Both of us have found German massively more straightforward than French.

clary · 05/04/2024 09:48

Loving the idea of a Latin oral! Caecilius est in mensa :)

Vive42 · 05/04/2024 09:40

Many autistic students enjoy Latin, if that was offered?

No oral and very logical.

Kta7 · 04/04/2024 07:25

I appreciate it doesn’t help matters in the short term but when it comes to choosing GCSE options you might be able to make a case for him not taking a language at all. Some autistic students do struggle with language-based subjects more than their neurotypical peers and it can be better to focus on the others. (I don’t suggest this lightly - am a languages graduate myself!) In fact if it’s a huge barrier to the rest of his learning it might be worth speaking to the SENco at this point?

Cattenberg · 03/04/2024 01:23

I’ve studied French, Spanish and German at different times. I’d say German is the most difficult of the three. It looks familiar at first, as English is a Germanic language and much of the basic vocabulary is similar. However, the grammar is complex due to the three genders and the case system. The US Foreign Service Institute considers that German takes longer to master than French or Spanish: https://www.fsi-language-courses.org/blog/fsi-language-difficulty/.

I think French is easier than German, though I found the pronunciation difficult to master (haven’t yet to be honest) and the spelling is pretty irregular. A lot of the vocabulary looks familiar, but there are a fair amount of false friends.

Of the three, I think Spanish is probably the least similar to English, but also the easiest to learn. I love the phonetic spelling and it’s relatively easy to pronounce. The vowel sounds are straightforward and there are only a few tricky consonants.

I don’t know if the marking schemes allow for the relative difficulties of each language.

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TheSquareMile · 03/04/2024 00:52

@LimeSqueezer

I read German and French at Uni.

I wonder whether German could be the language for him? I think that it might appeal to him.

You could get something like the Dorling Kindersley Flash Cards and the matching book for young learners to see whether he likes the look of what he sees.

https://www.dk.com/uk/book/9780241601419-german-for-everyone-junior-first-words-flash-cards/

https://www.dk.com/uk/book/9780241491416-german-for-everyone-junior-5-words-a-day/

Although I love languages, especially German, I am aware that some teenagers really don't like doing them. If he really isn't enjoying French, I would agree with looking at a different language. The change to German, which might intrigue him, could be the boost he needs with language learning.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/04/2024 12:05

I liked German because it was logical in a way that French didn't seem to be for me. Fewer pronunciation issues, as well.

clary · 01/04/2024 11:59

Good point from @adventurealltheway - the new spec (which starts being examined in 2026, so teaching to year 10s from this Sept) includes dictation in the listening exam and also reading aloud in the speaking exam. I suspect reading aloud in German is overall more straightforward for a native English speaker. But that's not a huge element of the exam overall.

Lampzade · 01/04/2024 11:48

LimeSqueezer · 01/04/2024 11:20

And thanks for the duolingo suggestion - I've tried that with no success so far, but will puh again. Tricky with a boy who's not excited about MFL!

For basic speech and sentence construction he can try Michel Thomas which is free on YouTube. Not as much emphasis on grammar or vocabulary but excellent as an additional tool to understanding the root of the language
I found it particularly helpful for French

Lampzade · 01/04/2024 11:43

Most definitely Spanish

adventurealltheway · 01/04/2024 11:37

One thing to consider, speaking as an MFL specialist, is that Year 7 children will be sitting the new format MFL GCSE. One significant aspect is that it will include dictation. It is still not clear how they will differentiate the marking but essentially Spanish is phonetic and therefore the easiest for this specific aspect with German a close second. French is considerably more difficult as graphemes and phonemes differ so much. Watching original language films on Netflix can really help to develop the ear (it's the same process by which a baby learns effectively - listening before speaking).

Funnily enough the most engaged language learners in Y7 are the ones who haven't studied the language at Primary. It might be a case of new language, new teacher. Sadly MFL provision in the UK at primary level is v poor indeed with very few specialist teachers.

One thing that will help regardless is how well read your child is in English as at GCSE there is a heavy focus on cognates and near cognates,ie words that look/ sound the same or almost the same as the English words. It's about the child's ability to recognise and apply patterns in language, and make connections to what they already know.

I would just keep gently encouraging with a focus on fun! Eat out/ cook foreign foods, go on holiday there if you can, host a foreign student - anything you can do to encourage an International outlook really! There are so many advantages for students who speak another language. Not least it helps cognitive ability across the board.

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 01/04/2024 11:27

Zonder · 01/04/2024 11:14

I don't find two languages to be confusing. The brain has an ability to separate the two languages into two different contents. This is why bilingual people don't seem to accidentally speak to the wrong person in the wrong language.

I definitely do.
I speak French and German (and English) and quite often get stuck in French as my German is a lot better and the vocab comes in to my head before the French.

In this instance I'd take Spanish (like French but easier I think for beginners) and German (totally different).

LimeSqueezer · 01/04/2024 11:20

And thanks for the duolingo suggestion - I've tried that with no success so far, but will puh again. Tricky with a boy who's not excited about MFL!

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clary · 01/04/2024 11:17

Can you and he unpick at all what he dislikes about French?

tbh if he has absorbed any French at all it will make Spanish easier - both Romance languages.

I meant to say that sometimes a good teacher will incline a child towards a language in KS3 - tho of course not a reason to choose it for GCSE as that teacher may leave - but it might spark an interest.

I think French plus Spanish is not ideal, tho I learned them at the same time. Also if he has the mindset of hating French a fresh start would surely be better.

Zonder · 01/04/2024 11:14

I don't find two languages to be confusing. The brain has an ability to separate the two languages into two different contents. This is why bilingual people don't seem to accidentally speak to the wrong person in the wrong language.

LimeSqueezer · 01/04/2024 11:09

Thank you all so much! Really helpful insights, reassuringly confirming my instinct towards trying Spanish and German next year and hoping that one of them clicks better, perhaps aided by easier pronunciation and a fresh start, and that his primary French doesn't really represent any useful start to build on.

@clary, thanks for such great insider insights! I have tried to figure out why he hates French so much, but I can only guess and hope that it's specific to French and not MFL in general.

Would you all agree that taking French and Spanish at the same time as a beginner would risk being very confusing?

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Dewdilly · 01/04/2024 09:37

I would think that all languages, grammatically, would appeal to a logic-minded child. But it’s the speaking and listening that seem to be the problem, and French can be particularly hard for this - because so many words sound the same when you hear them. I’d be tempted to go for German, but that is more grammatically complicated than Spanish.

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