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Can I do anything about extra time for GCSEs this late?

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wonderstuff · 25/03/2024 19:48

I suspect dd16 has dyslexia. She reads very well but struggles with spelling and has some issues with speech which I think maybe phonological processing difficulties.

Shared concerns with school at start of year 10, she’s struggling with English despite being fairly bright and a reader. Chased a couple times and they said no, her reading comprehension is fine, took them months to get back in this. I said I disagreed, I’m a SENCO myself and feel she needs to be assessed for speed of working. When I got a bit sharp elbowed they gave ET for last set of mocks. They didn’t however do any assessment. Her English teacher seems bizarrely unbothered by her attainment, despite her being well below her target grades. He maintains she’s careless and needs to improve technique. Today the senco has emailed saying they don’t have the evidence for extra time, largely due to the teacher dismissing it. They have done no assessment other than monitor her use of extra time.

Can I do anything at this point? I’ve told the SENCO I will have her privately assessed and consider my options, which I will, but it’s all a bit late now. I’m so cross as I raised concerns with plenty of time and they’ve just refused to engage. I said from the outset if I’m wrong fair enough but I don’t think an assessment is unreasonable.

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Bartholomewphilipswasrobbed · 26/03/2024 07:30

My DC gets extra time, rest breaks and a desk at the side of the room as they don't like students sat behind them. Our paperwork etc for this went in months ago I'm afraid. And to the pp who asked why dyslexia wasn't picked up in primary. That's common to not know - we had a formal diagnosis at age 16. Most of my friends with dyslexic children only found out in secondary or later. It is NOT necessarily easy to diagnose.

OnceUponARainbow88 · 26/03/2024 07:21

I teach mainly year 11-13 and received an email last week saying no more requests for access arrangements will be processed for current 11s and 13s. We spend years gathering evidence for extra time, if we think a kid needs it during assessments across KS3 we let them have extra time but they change their own colour so we see what value it adds. Also, I get about 2 round robins a week asking for feedback for certain kids in regards to AA. So, I think by this stage yes it is too late and I’m surprised as a SENDCo you’ve let it get this far.

HollyGolightly4 · 26/03/2024 07:20

A scribe would be much harder to evidence than extra time!

Littlemissnikib · 26/03/2024 07:12

Could you maybe ask for a scribe instead? My son has an EHCP but he did spectacularly badly in his pre-mocks. All his teachers said he started well but then lost it so I asked for a scribe. This set of mocks results have just come in and the improvement is immense.

You don’t have to have an EHCP to get a scribe so might be worth pushing for that?

Simonjt · 26/03/2024 07:11

They have to rule out rest breals before even considering extra time, so surely as a SENCO you’ve pushed for that first so it can be ruled out? Does the school have an assessor, or do they buy one in to test key pupils at the start of year 9?

HollyGolightly4 · 26/03/2024 07:08

Sounds like cost. They may have to buy in external services. I think I'd be asking for a meeting and pushing for an assessment (again)

whosaidtha · 26/03/2024 07:07

How has she got to 16 and you're only just noticing signs of dyslexia? Surely this would have been flagged in primary. I would also suggest that if she's on track for an 8 in Spanish that doesn't scream dyslexia. Maybe she's just bad at spelling? Or hates English so isn't trying? Maybe that's why the teacher seems unconcerned.

wonderstuff · 26/03/2024 07:01

In my experience kids rarely use extra time in science or maths but if they’ve got it use it in essay subjects, it’s only English and occasionally geography where she’s running out of time.

Poor teaching is I think the bigger issue, but I can’t do anything else about that. I personally would just do the assessment, I don’t understand why they are being so resistant to it, unless they just don’t have the resources? She used the extra time, but they’re saying it didn’t improve her grade, although she gets feedback to expand her answers. She says in class she writes much less than her peers and finds it frustrating.

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Piggywaspushed · 26/03/2024 06:54

She’s on track for 8 in maths and Spanish, 7 in geography and food tech and 6 in sciences.

I'd imagine those teachers were asked for evidence , too, and those grades don't suggest a student for whom dyslexia is proving a barrier. I've raised concerns before and been told other subjects don't have any so it's no dice.

If it's anything like my school we have also been told as subject teachers never to suggest dyslexia ourselves because we have become so swamped with exam concessions... and also because we can't diagnose. Even those with private assessments don't always get concessions otehr than things like overlays occasionally.

The exam system in this country is brutal.

lul1 · 26/03/2024 06:53

My dd is only in y9 but school have already said that she can wear headphones during exams to have the questions read out.

I don't want to draw attention to her and neither does dd. I'm autistic and don't hear noise cancelling headphones out for the same reason.

Surely there are other things that can be done.
But I know it's difficult for the school.

I hope you get it sorted.

Piggywaspushed · 26/03/2024 06:48

At my school NWOW has to be more than one set of mocks . Presumably the mocks didn't show she needed the time so thta has not been pushed through.

My school does not test for dyslexia (I know some do). They do a few processing test but not one to diagnose dyslexia.

To be totally truthful I have never really seen extra time as a concession sorting out the issues facing dyslexic students. Slow processing and reading, yes.

Like mrs, I am one who is always pushing for concessions to be investigated but it does relay on a lot of evidence. It's very frustrating and I am often disappointed.

It would now be seen as too late if there really wasn't some huge, suddenly emergent issue.

MrsHamlet · 26/03/2024 06:40

Her English teacher sounds poor, at best. Not that that's much help.

ThatTimeIKnewFamousPeople · 25/03/2024 22:30

It's not too late. The deadline is a soft deadline, they will accept late applications.

I would argue it is her NWOW if they gave it to her in her mocks and she is routinely running out of time to complete tasks and assignments.

It may be too late to get their assessor in however. A private assessment will give you an indication of speed of working. If a parent brought in a private diagnosis first week of April I would certainly administer my own assessments to see if extra time is warranted. If so it would just be another late application.

The JCQ deadline is not your stumbling block, it is the school not acknowledging her NWOW

wonderstuff · 25/03/2024 22:21

English teacher is hod and gives her feedback like ‘expand’ he turned up late to last 2 parents evenings, which were online, so we got 3 minutes with him and he said she was doing fine, no concerns, when I mentioned concerns about finishing and family history of dyslexia he said that wasn’t up to him to look at. He’s an arse, she had about 8 English teachers in ks3, so I suppose I should be glad he’s stayed on?
She’s on track for 8 in maths and Spanish, 7 in geography and food tech and 6 in sciences.

We have got her a tutor for English so she’s getting an extra hour a week there. She needs a 5 for her chosen A-level, it should be fine but I am at a loss as to why school aren’t doing more.

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remotelostagain · 25/03/2024 21:46

What are her grades across the board? Does her dyslexia affect her other subjects or just English? What techniques is her English teacher suggesting for her to improve her grade?

Ds had a brilliant English teacher who told me specifically where he was going wrong, took a piece of his work and showed him what he needed to change or add to increase the level (ie level 3 up to a level 5 or 6) and remember to hit all the AOs (Assessment Objectives) to get a more rounded and thorough piece of work.

So alongside the extra time bit I would be asking for an urgent meeting with the English department for the improvement part. Ds2 had the ability to pause an exam to process the questions for GCSE but not for A level.

LIZS · 25/03/2024 21:38

If they have monitored her use of et then they know if this is of benefit to her or makes no difference. Agree it needs to be evidenced as her normal mode of working,

Librarybooker · 25/03/2024 21:34

HollyGolightly4 · 25/03/2024 20:29

@Librarybooker unfortunately that isn't the case any more.

She would need to be assessed by an external assessor and meet criteria in the appropriate areas.

Honestly, I don't think you will. The deadline was 31st January which is long gone. There is a caveat for extenuating circumstances, which I suppose if you have documentation/evidence of the number of ways in which you've requested she be assessed you might get via some sort of grievance process with the school?

Well yes, but the school would normally advise and it’s done in year 10 ideally

ThrowawaySecondarySchool · 25/03/2024 21:32

SpringOfContentment · 25/03/2024 20:38

My understanding is a private diagnoses won't get you extra time.
Exam concessions are granted based on inschool assessments (with the requirement being under 85 - but not sure if that's adjusted scores, centiles), plus teacher evidence.
On what basis did they give her extra time in mocks?

FWIW, we have a letter for my Y10 saying he has extra time. I think it's too late for summer 2024 exams. Sorry.

We use under 85 in the LUCID tests, there are six categories. There would always be additional assessing done for extra time, though.

MrsHamlet · 25/03/2024 21:23

I teach English and I'm usually the one pushing for assessments!

SpringOfContentment · 25/03/2024 20:38

My understanding is a private diagnoses won't get you extra time.
Exam concessions are granted based on inschool assessments (with the requirement being under 85 - but not sure if that's adjusted scores, centiles), plus teacher evidence.
On what basis did they give her extra time in mocks?

FWIW, we have a letter for my Y10 saying he has extra time. I think it's too late for summer 2024 exams. Sorry.

wonderstuff · 25/03/2024 20:37

Deadline was 21st March, there’s some allowance for late diagnosis but refusal of teacher to consider it a problem is probably insurmountable tbh. He’s such an arrogant arse, I can not understand why he’s not remotely concerned when her P8 target must be a 7 or 8. I feel I’ve really let her down, I just assumed they’d want to do whatever to try to get her the best opportunity, so naive. I would have just done the assessment.

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Fast800 · 25/03/2024 20:32

I believe the waiting times for private assessments is several months.

HollyGolightly4 · 25/03/2024 20:29

@Librarybooker unfortunately that isn't the case any more.

She would need to be assessed by an external assessor and meet criteria in the appropriate areas.

Honestly, I don't think you will. The deadline was 31st January which is long gone. There is a caveat for extenuating circumstances, which I suppose if you have documentation/evidence of the number of ways in which you've requested she be assessed you might get via some sort of grievance process with the school?

Librarybooker · 25/03/2024 20:21

Sorry to hear this, most schools will get extra time for all dyslexic kids.

wonderstuff · 25/03/2024 20:19

@takemeawayagain i stupidly assumed the school would assess, why would they not.

@Bunnyannesummers when they granted extra time for mocks (which she has used in English and geography) I stupidly assumed they would assess. I would have done, don’t understand why they haven’t.

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