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AQA v Edexcel for GCSE

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 22/03/2024 15:49

Hi,

I wondered if I might ask whether there are any striking differences between the content of AQA and Pearson Edexcel for GCSEs? Or a hint on how I could find out?

Subjects are Economics, Geography, French.

I am home schooling just now and likely to be on an EOTAS plan, still home edding at some point. I'm trying to choose the right exam boards asap so we can be on the same ones right through GCSE (currently year 9).

DC and I have an eye for beautiful typesetting and nicely produced textbooks. Everything goes much better if we are working with materials that are pleasing to the eye.

In some subjects the AQA books are nicest, but the Pearson Edexcel exam papers are nicer looking than the AQA ones.

I just wondered if there are any other major differences in the content? For example, could we work from AQA books and sit Edexcel exams?

We're doing Computer science from an OCR book, which is the most correct text book that we can find. Again I'd be interested to know if the content of OCR computer science is the same as Pearson Edexcel exam, which has the prettiest paper.

I've not been able to find really clear documentation online specifying what the differences are and I would be really grateful to know how I can find that information.

Thanks!

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 10:28

These are the exams that we'd be looking for. It's quite a collection.

If I was looking to start a company at the moment I think I'd be starting a private exam centre. I think there is money to be made in it as so many people need this.

Maths - Pearson Edexcel GCSE
Chemistry and Physics - Pearson Edexcel GCSE exam
Geograpy GCSE - AQA
Economics GCSE - OCR
French - AQA or Pearson Edexcel GCSE
Computer Science - Pearson Edexcel GCSE exam

English I think we'd be looking at Pearson Edexcel 2.0, and probably Pearson GCSE Eng Lit, if we manage it.

Have you got a plan for doing the practical requirements for the science GCSEs? My understanding is that this has to be offered by the centre where the student sits the exams, even if the student doesn't actually do all the activities.

This could make it tricky to change centres down the line.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 28/03/2024 15:07

Thank you very much for pointing out https://www.markmypapers.com/.

That really looks great.

I am getting much more to grips with what I need to do here.

I figured out that the content of iGCSE physics and chemistry is extremely similar to the content of the AQA GCSE books which we like very much, and has no required validation of practicals.

Tutors and exams can do the computer science practical, so that's taken care of.

They can also do the French and Eng Lang practicals.

So it's all looking much more feasible now.

I also had a very reassuring phone call with the lady at school who is looking at our situation, and that has taken a lot of pressure off, which is great.

I have found a tutoring company who can validate the practicals for the science papers if we needed it, and I have signed up to have tutors in all ds's subjects. so I think we are getting somewhere now.

Thank you very much.

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naturesform · 25/03/2024 23:11

If beautiful typesetting is important then I would recommend giving AQA a swerve - all their textbooks are written in comic sans

clary · 25/03/2024 23:08

Saracen · 25/03/2024 23:02

Re: marking practice papers, you don't necessarily need a tutor for that. For example, you can submit a practice paper to Markmypapers, who will mark it and give suggestions on where additional points might be picked up easily.

My home educated child, who was self-studying English Language, used that service to see whether they were on track to get the grade they wanted, since neither of us felt confident about applying the mark scheme in that subject. I thought it was great value for money. I imagine it might be more informative than feedback from a tutor, unless the tutor also has plenty of experience marking GCSE papers.

That sounds like a good service, especially if you or your child are not confident about the technicalities of marking.

I will put a word in for tutors tho and say that any decent tutor who is actually tutoring KS4 should have plenty of experience marking (I mean marking students' papers rather than as a paid AQA marker) and assessing GCSE papers. Otherwise how can they teach it?

Saracen · 25/03/2024 23:02

Re: marking practice papers, you don't necessarily need a tutor for that. For example, you can submit a practice paper to Markmypapers, who will mark it and give suggestions on where additional points might be picked up easily.

My home educated child, who was self-studying English Language, used that service to see whether they were on track to get the grade they wanted, since neither of us felt confident about applying the mark scheme in that subject. I thought it was great value for money. I imagine it might be more informative than feedback from a tutor, unless the tutor also has plenty of experience marking GCSE papers.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 24/03/2024 20:20

Sorry, I forgot to say that it was chemistry. I figured out the problem just now when I tried to go and get the details to answer your question.

It turns out that the printer had printed the first page of the pearson iGCSE chemistry syllabus, and then the GCSE syllabus directly after that. I had turned over the first two pages together. So I thought I was reading the iGCSE syllabus, when I was actually reading the GCSE.

I can see that this is going to be a complicated process. :-)

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Headfirstintothewild · 24/03/2024 18:35

What subject? The sciences, for example, don’t have practicals that need signing off for the Edexcel IGCSE. Instead the practical knowledge is examined in the exam papers. So the student doesn’t necessarily need to have physically done the practicals and the exam centre doesn’t need to sign to say they have been done/send anything to the exam board to say they have been done. Cambridge international has an additional paper that can be taken instead of practicals.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 24/03/2024 17:32

Hi,

I wondered if I could ask a further quesiton about this?

All the home ed folks say they do iGCSE because there are no required practicals, but I just printed the Pearson Edexcel iGCSE syllabus and it says it does have required practicals, and that the school has to send documentary evidence that they have been done in class. I just wondered if I am missing something?

Thanks!

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 17:31

My friend replied to say that they are just working out their business model so they are going to mull this idea over for a bit and get back to me. Fingers crossed.

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 15:38

Hi, Thanks, that's good to know. I know one tutor company that is recently set up near us has just done the admin to get a relationship with T&E. I have written to the owner to ask if she would be willing to do this kind of thing.

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Headfirstintothewild · 23/03/2024 14:08

Rather than just approaching tutors you need to speak to the exam centre you plan to use because it is pointless finding a tutor who can do the practicals etc. if the exam centre doesn’t have a relationship with them/wont accept that. T&E has information about their partners on their website.

You also need to consider access arrangements. Some exam centres book up more than a year in advance for more resource intensive access arrangements e.g. home invigilation, separate room, scribe, reader. Even the need for a word processor can book up quickly.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 13:54

Thanks, that's good to know. I think I'm going to keep researching the private exam centres and make a plan that can work even if the EHCP never comes to anything. The public services really seem to be so stretched right now, and I need to get things moving for my DS.

I think I might phone the local tutoring companies and ask if they would be able to facilitate sitting the practical parts of the exams.

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Headfirstintothewild · 23/03/2024 13:33

The wait for appeals is long so you should be concerned about the delay. For those out of school the hearing can be expedited, but the wait is still long. You will potentially have to appeal twice before you have a comprehensive EOTAS package. In the current climate, most do have to appeal at least the content to get a comprehensive package, and even if you only have to appeal once you need all the time you can get if the intention is for DS to sit exams in Y11.

Also, DC whose parents know the system, can advocate and enforce their rights get better support. If the LA sees they can get away with acting unlawfully they will continue to do so and take more and more liberties.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 13:21

@Headfirstintothewild It's okay, I'm not worried about the delays or anything like that. The Ed Psych was really good and very thorough and we wrote the report together to make sure it represented the situation in a really clear way. She agreed with me that EOTAS was probably necessary. I'd probably better not go into why, as it is private information about DS.

I'm just really keen to do my research early because if I can get the submission to the panel absolutely right, then the result is much more likely to be workable.

That's great to know that EOTAS can make GCSEs workable. I think it would be wonderful if we could get things in place to make that possible. I have written to the EHCP panel co-ordinator with a list of the exact exams that we would like.

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Headfirstintothewild · 23/03/2024 12:56

If week 6 was before Christmas you need to chase the LA (you can use one of IPSEA’s model letters) because you should have a draft by now and next week is week 20 when they should be finalising.

Has advice and information been sought from anyone else e.g. SALT, OT?

It takes research and planning but DC who have EOTAS or are EHE can sit GCSEs/IGCSEs.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 11:51

I think I might need to figure out which exams we actually have access to and then buy the text books for those, read them myself, and then use the safe textbooks to teach DS. It's the only way I can think of to do it with any absolute certainty of having access. I don't want to be relying on people who are likely to let us down at the last minute and mess us around. It's all a bit complicated, but I figure it's doable if I get my ducks in a row early.

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 11:48

@Headfirstintothewild Gosh, it's complicated isn't it?

We just had the Educational psychology report done and it's been scheduled to be seen by a panel a week from now. We're just at the beginning really. We got the "yes to assess" two days before Christmas 2023.

It really concerns me that it's so complicated, because DS has a lot of problems and the last thing he needs is to have to fret about access to exams, or travelling, or changing exam board at the last minute.

I wish I could just pay privately to get someone to run him through the practicals and let him sit the exams in a calm safe place. There are so many EBSA kids these days. I feel as though there must be a market for this kind of thing.

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Headfirstintothewild · 23/03/2024 10:49

Where are you in the EHCP process? Do you have the draft yet? Is the LA sticking to the timescales?

As well as the problem I posted about above with GCSE geography, there is a similar problem for GCSE chemistry and physics when EHE. It is sometimes possible for students to sit GCSE sciences as an external candidate (e.g. via T&E if you use one of their associated distance learning providers) but many find it easier to sit IGCSE sciences.

Although you can choose to sit GCSE English Language via T&E, many choose to sit IGCSE English language to avoid the need for the spoken component.

You would need another exam centre for Edexcel GCSE Computer Science because neither T&E or the screenshots you posted offer it.

WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 10:28

These are the exams that we'd be looking for. It's quite a collection.

If I was looking to start a company at the moment I think I'd be starting a private exam centre. I think there is money to be made in it as so many people need this.

Maths - Pearson Edexcel GCSE
Chemistry and Physics - Pearson Edexcel GCSE exam
Geograpy GCSE - AQA
Economics GCSE - OCR
French - AQA or Pearson Edexcel GCSE
Computer Science - Pearson Edexcel GCSE exam

English I think we'd be looking at Pearson Edexcel 2.0, and probably Pearson GCSE Eng Lit, if we manage it.

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WhenIsTheGeneralElection · 23/03/2024 10:17

Hi,

Thank you all for this really helpful advice. I am in the process of finding tutors for all the subjects to mark written work, because I totally get that the marking is very complicated and that we need specialist help with that.

@Headfirstintothewild yes this is what worries me. Ideally I would like to be aiming for the private exam centre run by tutors and exams for the actual exams because at least there I can pay the money and make the choice. I asked there and they said we have to be very careful because they can't say for sure what exams will be offered in a couple of years, so we're having to play think extremely carefully about what exams we are aiming for and keeping other options open just in case.

They are looking at EOTAS because I have requested that. This is just the first go round after the ed psych report, so we would still have right of appeal.

Ideally I would like to find a route for my son that I can do entirely through private means because we are having epic trouble with the underfunded and short staffed public services. I do get that things are so hard in schools and council right now, and I totally sympathise. However, I need to find a safe calm route for my son to get him through these next two years, so I'm doing my homework in detail, and well in advance to make sure to get it right.

Thanks so much for all this help.

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Headfirstintothewild · 23/03/2024 08:51

What is possible with EOTAS will depend on what is detailed, specified and quantified in F. The word of the caseworker is irrelevant if it isn’t in F. LAs are renowned for saying one thing and doing another, and if it isn’t in F it cannot be enforced. Many have to appeal in order to secure the necessary provision. You say the LA is looking at EOTAS, do you currently have the right of appeal?

It also depends on how the package is set up. Parents can’t be compelled to organise provision, but some do take that role on to the point they arrange the exams similar to how parents who EHE do.

clary · 23/03/2024 08:26

my sons had to speak about social injustice and climate change.

@blue345 that's on the spec for all boards of GCSE now as far as I am aware (and I know most of them pretty well).

You still have your hobbies and what you hope to do in the future on there as well, but the spec is aiming to widen the scope.

@WhenIsTheGeneralElection I agree @Imamunt that you need to be wary when self-marking, even with MFL, unless your command of the language is very strong (is it?) as what is and is not acceptable as an answer is sometimes hard to judge unless you are an experienced examiner or teacher. Obviously some questions are very clear, but for example the writing questions wouldn't be easy to mark IMO unless as I say your language was excellent.

sashh · 23/03/2024 07:08

If you go onto the websites for the exam boards you can find the full specification and often past or sample papers and marking schemes.

You don't have to stick to the same board for every exam

blue345 · 23/03/2024 06:56

My son did a combination of AQA GCSEs, Edexcel IGCSEs and a couple of CIE ones.

In terms of the textbooks and revision books I've seen, Edexcel and AQA are similar but slimmer pickings for CIE. Mine just used the CGP revision books which I think come in AQA and Edexcel for most subjects.

FWIW I thought the Edexcel iGCSE French was very difficult. Mine was more about train times and ham baguettes. my sons had to speak about social injustice and climate change.

Imamunt · 23/03/2024 06:38

I teach in a secondary school, but tutor part time home schooled kids who have failed English GCSE because teaching the requirements of the reading questions is not just something that can be done well unless you know what you’re doing. There is a very big difference between the AQA and English language questions.