Twickenham Secondary

I know that Hampton High has that arrangement but I have not heard that about other schools

"There’s no 6th form so you do have to consider where they would go after GCSEs."

It's worth mentioning that all Year 11 students from Richmond borough schools without 6th forms (i.e. no year 12 or 13), including Twickenham School, get priority access to Esher College, which is Outstanding.

No, of course not - hopefully that was clear. The "swap" will always be with another child who would benefit from a managed move.

To be fair, that is because this is one of the highest-attaining areas in the country. There are some areas where those results would put the school amongst the top ranks.

There will never be a swap with a well-behaved pupil unless that pupil needs to move for other reasons - fairly obviously, people can't be made to move well-behaved children simply to leave a space for a managed out pupil.

Hi OP. All three of mine went to Twickenham School. Has been 5 years since the last one left but I occasionally see posts and like to step in and comment.

The school was good for my three. They got great results. There’s no 6th form so you do have to consider where they would go after GCSEs. (Waldegrave and Orleans Park for mine).

Yes there are lairy kids there. The school gets the kids kicked out by other schools as it has places. Also the new immigrant kids who arrive at random times and need a space somewhere (and generally do very well).

I would say all of mine were on the sensitive and highly academic side and they found their people. They made wonderful friends and had some amazing teachers. They were all happy there. Never any bullying.

On the downside there can be a bit of poverty of aspiration. Many are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. The music and drama quality was poor compared to neighbouring schools. Sport was good.

My children gained resilience and understanding alongside their excellent GCSEs. I am happy they went there.
That said. I would be looking at the Swedish school. Have always heard great things.

Hope you are happy in Richmond. It’s a lovely place to live.

That's partly because of the inwards drift of new students, as discussed above. If a new student joins a school in Year 10 or Year 11, the school won't have much time to make a positive impact on their results. Schools that are full and have a stable cohort from year 7-11 have a better opportunity to show what they can do with their teaching.

Somewhere online I think I've seen figures on cohort stability ... possibly in the school census data.

You are providing me with irrelevant links. Then you are contradicting yourself by saying that the swaps and process is informal. What was the point of irrelevant links? Completely illogical

The "explanation" is that people like you keep slagging the school off based on hearsay and gossip.

wow. wow. I have an amazing power. You made me laugh. Goodbye

I have zero personal knowledge of the schools mentioned (a friend's DC were at Teddington, but the youngest is 24 now and no doubt the school has changed a bit since then), but you can look at how a cohort did at the end of KS4 according to prior attainment, e.g.for Richmond Park Academy

https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/school/136208/richmond-park-academy/secondary/results-by-pupil-characteristics?accordionstate=0|1

No it isn't. And the only way you could "game" it would be to encourage your child to behave so badly that they met the threshold for expulsion. 🙂

Managed Moves are informal. The Fair Access Protocol is formal.

The documents are relevant to the conversation, but if you don't have an eye for detail, you may not understand them.

"I think it is because for some unexplained reason it is not oversubscribed"

This made me laugh. The "explanation" is that people like you keep slagging the school off based on hearsay and gossip. There are also many people who have bad memories of the school when it was genuinely not good, and they slag it off online too. Reputation is a precious commodity for schools. I realise you may not want to send your own children there, but why are you so invested in making sure that others don't either? It seems to me that you have an extraordinary lack of compassion and empathy for the many people who have been working so hard, over many years, to turn the school's reputation around.

Try reading the rest of it, e.g. 1.2, 3.3j, and section 4.

To be fair I didn't go into depth. Yes, I see that now it mentions the children with behavioral issues.
However, it doesn't describe any rules on school allocation for these kids. Therefore, both documents are not relevant to the conversation. You mentioned yourself it is an informal process. Therefore no point to quote them.

I believe in your experience. But also I believe mums telling me the stories where they moved "that naughty kid now." Twickenham still pops up as an answer very often. And it is not because the school has bad results or is badly managed. I think it is because for some unexplained reason it is not oversubscribed and also because they actually know how to correct behaviour.

"neither about any process of deciding which [school] such [a] child would be managed out to"

I realised you made a typo. Again, this is down to informal negotiation - the Heads all know each other and meet regularly.

"The second document doesn't say anywhere about swaps with other school"

Of course it doesn't. I mentioned swaps because they are sometimes used when Heads are negotiating managed moves, not a formality - "yes I'll take child X, but please can I also talk to you about taking child Y".

"neither about any process of deciding which should such child would be managed out to"

Managed moves are used to avoid permanent exclusion, usually when all other measures are exhausted. If the managed move fails, and the negative behaviour continues, expulsion is often the next step.

"The first document is regarding unplaced and vulnerable children, and those who are having difficulty in securing a school place in-year, are allocated."

You obviously didn't get past paragraph 1.1. 🙄
Try reading the rest of it, e.g. 1.2, 3.3j, and section 4.

The second document doesn't say anywhere about swaps with other school neither about any process of deciding which should such child would be managed out to.

The first document is regarding unplaced and vulnerable children, and those who are having difficulty in securing a school place in-year, are allocated. It refers to the fair access to education by any child in particular vunerable kids. It is not referring to any rules of moving managed out kids to other schools.
I am sorry but I must admit I am very surprised you link these irrelevant to this topic documents that are proving nothing in our discussion.
I do not deny that there might be some school arrangements as you describe and your experience may be valid. But these documents are not an evidence and are not related to the actual school allocation process for managed kids.
As I said, I know of two examples. The allocation was simply based on availability of place. The second example makes me think that Twickenham is better prepared and more experienced with embracing such cases than other schools. That pupil stayed in Twickenham.

Fair Access Protocol: https://www.richmond.gov.uk/media/23642/richmond_schools_fair_access_protocol.pdf

Info on Managed Moves is in this doc: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-exclusions-guide-for-parents/a-guide-for-parents-on-school-behaviour-and-exclusion

Well you've heard about it now. I'm sure there's a lot you don't know about schools.

Tiffin isn't in Richmond upon Thames. Orleans Park is, and certainly does participate in the local processes.

Never heard that a behaving pupil was swapped for a pupil that was managed out. I cannot imagine a swap with Tiffin or Orlean Park. There are parents who after National Offer Day wish to remain on waiting list even for years in case somebody moved out...

In the two instances I know, one was placed in Twickenham right away simply because there were places.
In the second case there was a place in Teddington school but as the pupil continued misbehaviour also there and he was moved relatively quickly to Twickenham. These are very recent cases

There doesn't need to be "a place". Fully subscribed schools go over PAN for managed moves and fair access placings. And managed moves are sometimes negotiated as "swaps".

I know how it works because I work in a school (in the borough of Richmond) and have visibility of the process.

As you are renting then I would rent a property within a 100m of one of the top performing comprehensives in the Borough. So Orleans, Turing house or Grey Court. Whilst they are oversubscribed places do come up and you would be at the top of the list if you are the closest.

all schools take an approximately equal number of managed moves.

Not in Borough of Richmond where most of the schools are oversubscribed and simply they don't have a place. Whereas Twickenham school always has a place because it is a very large school and not oversubscribed.

Some people have louder voices than others
Like your voice is quieter ...

Would you consider north of the river? There are some great options in Ealing and Hounslow.