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School unable to identify sexual harassment perpetrator and are doing nothing

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Birdsflyinghigh1 · 26/02/2024 20:45

Our secondary has investigated a couple of sexual harassment incidents reported by DD (13). A boy in her year lifted up her skirt from behind - this has happened twice. On both occasions a large group of boys from her year were present and laughing and shouting - high jinks for them.

The school have an idea of who this group of boys is, they have all been interviewed and have corroborated each other's stories insofar as they all agree that someone lifted DD's skirt, but none of them can (will?) say who.

The school suspect the boys are covering for each other but they also say there's nothing they can do without a statement, witness or evidence. So the school accept DD was sexually harassed, but because they can't identify the specific boy, there will be no further action.

DD has to go back into school with nothing in place to protect her from these boys going forward, and of course now they know they can do it and get away with it. She's even more at risk and I feel she'll be a sitting duck.

The only suggestion from school is that DD spends her lunchtimes and breaks in the library where a teacher is present and she'll have some separation from the group of boys. This isn't going to work and sends the wrong message completely. AIBU to keep DD at home until the school deal with this effectively?

Further to all of that, accounts of what happened to DD have been circulating on Snapchat and the school haven't addressed it. No investigation whatsoever. They know it's an issue because other parents have told them about it, but haven't asked for screenshots or addressed it.

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Neriah · 27/02/2024 12:55

Furthermore if I were your daughter I would wear trousers.

Whilst I can see why people are suggesting this, that simply plays into the narrative that "she's asking for it". Girls and women should be able to wear whatever the want without risk of assault and harassment.

FrippEnos · 27/02/2024 10:52

whiteboardking · 27/02/2024 07:33

You have to wonder what they'd do it it happened to a teacher..

From experience and anecdotal information, absolutely nothing at all.

Icantbelievebodiesgone · 27/02/2024 09:54

Why haven’t you reported it to the Police. Furthermore if I were your daughter I would wear trousers. Of course this doesn’t negate at all the need for action against the boys. It’s disgraceful behaviour.

StickyProblem · 27/02/2024 09:51

The way the school should do it is:
Get each boy in on their own, give them a rocket about how serious this is, then say "Who was it? The others all said it was you." That gets the truth out of them.

This type of scenario is the reason crimes like "allowing a child to come to harm" had to be defined, because otherwise both halves of a couple who harm a child can say "the other one did it".

It's ridiculous that a school can let them get away with just saying "it was someone else". Good luck OP and I hope your daughter can get some closure.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 27/02/2024 09:25

Is this an example of joint enterprise? The teachers should absolutely be treating them all as participants as they have acknowledged they were there and saw the skirt lifted.

RedFluffyPanda · 27/02/2024 09:06

I would go to headmaster and say that he is leaving you with no choice and that you have to register the incident with the police and let them know that school is ignoring sexual harrasment.
The school should call in parents of those boys and talk to them that unless they cooperate they will be suspended as they are part of it.

There is no excuse for school that tolerates such behaviour. If they tolerate it then the kids will cross also other barriers. I am not saying that the boy who has done it should be kicked out of the school but a suspension for a week would help him process it and his peers to learn what is right or wrong.

beAsensible1 · 27/02/2024 07:50

If they watched their mate sexually assault someone and did nothing, laughed/encouraged it on that is joint enterprise. they are assisting him in covering up as well.

and they absolutely can punish them all.

soupfiend · 27/02/2024 07:40

The police will need a named perpetrator in order to investigate but they will log it as a crime against your daughter, you could name all those involved as perpetrators but when she does the statement it will become apparent that they haven't all assaulted her and I suspect it will go nowhere, but it should be pushed for the school to separate this group from the wider school at breaks given they appear to be a risk to others or name and shame in a school assembly but I can imagine the reactions of the rest of the parents!

Soontobe60 · 27/02/2024 07:39

StarlightLime · 26/02/2024 21:45

They punish the group as a whole, and let the ones who feel this is an outrage slug it out amongst themselves.

The group as a whole Should be punished! By sitting back and keeping their mouths shut they are complicit.

itsgettingweird · 27/02/2024 07:38

I'd be pushing for the whole group of boys to be punished collectively as they are all complicit.

Doesn't matter if they did it they still all celebrated it collectively.

I reach on if nothing else it a) sends the right message and b) might make them stop protecting each other if they aren't protected collectively.

But I agree about refusing to send her in until they take action.

whiteboardking · 27/02/2024 07:33

You have to wonder what they'd do it it happened to a teacher..

Mmmmgravy · 27/02/2024 07:32

I would not let this rest. A couple of suggestions:

Contact the police
Involve the govenors
Make it clear on school fb groups that this is unacceptable - some parents won't care, of course, but if I got wind of this (as the mother of two teenage boys) I would be questioning them on what they knew!
Have meetings with both the head and your daughter's tutor and make it very clear you will not let this drop until a clear plan of action has been agreed/instigated. This should include an assembly to make it very clear that this behaviour is unacceptable.

Basically start a massive campaign and do not let it drop. Sometimes you have to force the school to take action. Try and get some other mothers behind you if you can.

PurpleBugz · 27/02/2024 07:26

Go to the police. Complain formally to school and take it all the way to governors. It's not just sexual bullying there is sex discrimination here from the school.

Hiding in the library won't protect her anyway. I used to hide in the library a lot as a teen. I remember taking all different routes trying to get there safely. It will become a game for them get your dd before she's safe in the library.

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 07:23

You can’t punish all the boys for sexual assault.
You can punish them all for failing to report a sexual assault.

You can call the group in and give them extra work around sex based violence until they stop finding it funny.

Neriah · 27/02/2024 07:22

Birdsflyinghigh1 · 26/02/2024 21:04

How do secondary schools deal with these situations where children cover for each other? It must happen all the time. I can't help but feel there has to be more they can do.

I don't know how secondary schools deal with it, but I know how we would deal with it is an employment situation. We would sanction all the males - and in a second incident we would dismiss them all. Neither work nor school are courts of law - you don't need to know which person did it. You have a reasonable belief that it happened and therefore they are all as guilty as each other.

Darhon · 27/02/2024 07:18

Write to the governors and inform the police and ofsted.

whiteboardking · 27/02/2024 07:17

All the boys would be in isolation at our school

Patchworksack · 27/02/2024 06:55

Act as a group, be sanctioned as a group, surely? Did your DD report the incident at the time or not until the CCTV had been deleted? It’s not ok for your DD to have to change her behaviour. I would escalate to governors as a safeguarding failure and to the police - these children are over the age of criminal responsibility and need a fright to remind them they can’t get away with this sort of behaviour.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 27/02/2024 06:52

One of the boys is probably a teachers son or something. Call the police.

Thetraitor · 27/02/2024 06:47

titchy · 26/02/2024 21:14

Well of course they can - they can put them all in (separate) isolation, they can exclude for a period of time. Possibly permanent exclusion if they still don't tell. They're choosing not to.

Outside of school the criminal justice system would find them all guilty even the perpetrator couldn't be identified as long as there was clear evidence of an assault taking place.

Whilst I agree the school should do something I doubt very much the criminal system would find them all guilty. It barely finds actual rapists guilty so I doubt it would for this

princessconsuelobananahammock · 26/02/2024 23:21

ThereIbledit · 26/02/2024 23:15

So the OP needs to ensure that she is causing more nuisance and noise than those boys' parents are.

challenge accepted IMO.

I don’t disagree with you. It’s appalling behaviour but I can just envisage it ending up in a stand off & nothing being resolved. Even worse, the boys involved loving the attention, the attack on school by parents whose kids can’t put a foot wrong, refusing to stay for detention/isolation etc…then what. Someone upthread mentioned permanent exclusion for the group - not a chance that would make it though a review panel. It is incredibly difficult to perm ex now…& if you do, you usually then end up having to take another pupil from a local school who is perm ex or edge of.

ThereIbledit · 26/02/2024 23:15

princessconsuelobananahammock · 26/02/2024 23:01

In my previous school, punishing the whole group would have led to absolute outrage from the parents of the group. It’s a nightmare. I agree this is what should happen but the pushback from parents is now horrendous. I’ve had parents in reception screaming that we’re holding their darlings hostage in detention, against human rights, questioning every decision.

So the OP needs to ensure that she is causing more nuisance and noise than those boys' parents are.

challenge accepted IMO.

ThereIbledit · 26/02/2024 23:14

No no. The victim doesn't get their freedom curtailed while the offenders waltz around carefree.

The group of boys should be on supervised library "rest" until they get a sudden attack of memory.

Quite apart from your daughter's needs, these boys need to learn pronto that there are unpleasant consequences for both sexual harassment and for covering for a sexual harasser.

Escalate to govenors and police.

Notchangingnameagain · 26/02/2024 23:07

This school is missing a valuable opportunity.

Own up, speak up or be punished as a group.

Behave badly as a group, be punished as a group. This is what would happen if they committed a crime within the community.

School should also contact the local
community Policing team
and ask them to pay a visit.

I wouldn’t be able to let this go.

princessconsuelobananahammock · 26/02/2024 23:01

In my previous school, punishing the whole group would have led to absolute outrage from the parents of the group. It’s a nightmare. I agree this is what should happen but the pushback from parents is now horrendous. I’ve had parents in reception screaming that we’re holding their darlings hostage in detention, against human rights, questioning every decision.

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