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School unable to identify sexual harassment perpetrator and are doing nothing

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Birdsflyinghigh1 · 26/02/2024 20:45

Our secondary has investigated a couple of sexual harassment incidents reported by DD (13). A boy in her year lifted up her skirt from behind - this has happened twice. On both occasions a large group of boys from her year were present and laughing and shouting - high jinks for them.

The school have an idea of who this group of boys is, they have all been interviewed and have corroborated each other's stories insofar as they all agree that someone lifted DD's skirt, but none of them can (will?) say who.

The school suspect the boys are covering for each other but they also say there's nothing they can do without a statement, witness or evidence. So the school accept DD was sexually harassed, but because they can't identify the specific boy, there will be no further action.

DD has to go back into school with nothing in place to protect her from these boys going forward, and of course now they know they can do it and get away with it. She's even more at risk and I feel she'll be a sitting duck.

The only suggestion from school is that DD spends her lunchtimes and breaks in the library where a teacher is present and she'll have some separation from the group of boys. This isn't going to work and sends the wrong message completely. AIBU to keep DD at home until the school deal with this effectively?

Further to all of that, accounts of what happened to DD have been circulating on Snapchat and the school haven't addressed it. No investigation whatsoever. They know it's an issue because other parents have told them about it, but haven't asked for screenshots or addressed it.

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crumblingschools · 28/02/2024 08:23

Do you know whether this has happened to other girls?

Sometimes there are hotspots where incidents can happen so schools should try to put measures in these places to prevent further incidents.

I would be taking it further as your DD should not be the one having to change her behaviour.

For those who are trying to minimise this behaviour maybe you should read this
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges

Review of sexual abuse in schools and colleges

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges

itsgettingweird · 28/02/2024 08:09

Although this is obviously extremely distressing fir the op's daughter, the actions of a 12 or 13 year old boy who are in the main very anmoying and immature is very different to an assault by an older boy or man which is more likely to be sexually motivated.

Bollock. The age of criminal responsibility is 10. You can be tried for murder at 10yo. 12/13yo boys know what they are doing and know it's wrong and digressing for their victim - hence the laughing and refusing to implicate the perpetrator.

bottomsup12 · 28/02/2024 06:32

Police please

TheaBrandt · 28/02/2024 06:11

An equivalent event happened locally at a school a few years ago but it was a racial not sexual attack.

All the boys were expelled. National outrage. Literally on the news. Ofsted visited and annihilated the school in a scathing report. Questions were asked in parliament. Bloody rightly so.

Similar incident but to a girl? Nothing to see here / shoulder shrug / fuck off snd sit in the library love. You can really see where girls are in the pecking order in 2024.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 27/02/2024 23:41

whiteboardking · 27/02/2024 23:09

I think I'm most shocked that the advice from school seemed to be that she, as the victim, should hide herself in the library, in effect. By this they condone it as a non issue. So so bad

I agree. i
It's a completely appalling response stance by the school. Akin to telling a victim to just stay away from the bully. They're saying they can't keep their students safe from sexual harrassment. The very least they could do is tell the boys they have to be near the teadher in the library for a week so OPs DD feels ok going back.

whiteboardking · 27/02/2024 23:09

I think I'm most shocked that the advice from school seemed to be that she, as the victim, should hide herself in the library, in effect. By this they condone it as a non issue. So so bad

Birdsflyinghigh1 · 27/02/2024 22:38

I think we have to escalate because the Head is refusing to be moved on his stance. Everyone’s responses have been so helpful. Thank you.

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Mischance · 27/02/2024 22:31

If they are covering for each other, then the school must sanction them all (as they are all in the wrong), and tell them all that they will have to escalate the matter to the police. The school's response is pitiful.

Tell the school you plan to write to the governors/board members, copying in to MP. And do it.

Notchangingnameagain · 27/02/2024 22:30

StarlightLime · 27/02/2024 22:27

Oh, I got your point. I agree.

Can you leave me alone please. It’s the second thread now, where you have made a dig. Thank you.

StarlightLime · 27/02/2024 22:27

Renamed · 27/02/2024 22:24

My point was that the school would be inclined to take it very seriously and probably not suggest that the boy just sits with a teacher

Oh, I got your point. I agree.

Notchangingnameagain · 27/02/2024 22:27

Renamed · 27/02/2024 22:24

My point was that the school would be inclined to take it very seriously and probably not suggest that the boy just sits with a teacher

I know, I completely understood the irony!! 😀

Renamed · 27/02/2024 22:24

My point was that the school would be inclined to take it very seriously and probably not suggest that the boy just sits with a teacher

StarlightLime · 27/02/2024 22:13

Notchangingnameagain · 27/02/2024 22:05

This sounds like a good plan….👏😀

It's a stupid plan, and not only because she doesn't know who he is 🙄

Notchangingnameagain · 27/02/2024 22:05

Renamed · 27/02/2024 21:18

What would they do if she got a few mates together and broke his nose? Would they say oh we don’t know which girl it was, he’d better sit in the library? I’m guessing not.

This sounds like a good plan….👏😀

nearlymrs · 27/02/2024 21:45

Why on earth should she have to hide away in the library at break times!

I think all the boys should be punished, daily detentions until they can name who actually did it. I'd bet the name comes out fairly quickly!

Porfirio · 27/02/2024 21:23

If I were in your shoes then I would not allow my daughter to return to that school until they've made it clear to the boys that they have to disclose the perpetrator of the assault or else they all face the same punishment which in my opinion should be they all get banned from school for a week to put the onus on the parents to let their sons know that their behaviour is unacceptable.

Sadly the culture today is 'snitches get stitches' and schools are wishy washy about banning children.

Maybeicanhelpyou · 27/02/2024 21:19

@ilovebreadsauce
surely assault is assault

Renamed · 27/02/2024 21:18

What would they do if she got a few mates together and broke his nose? Would they say oh we don’t know which girl it was, he’d better sit in the library? I’m guessing not.

crumblingschools · 27/02/2024 21:16

@ilovebreadsauce oh that old boys will be boys crap. Why should girls have to put up with behaviour like that?

ilovebreadsauce · 27/02/2024 21:07

crumblingschools · 27/02/2024 16:26

@ilovebreadsauce would your DS just stand by, would he try and stop, would he report and give a truthful and full description of the incident in his witness statement?

Well its moot now because they are now grown men!
Had something like that happened when they were 12 or 13 year old boys, I think they would probably have told the perpetrator to knock it off and dissociated themselves from the wrongdoer and group.

Although this is obviously extremely distressing fir the op's daughter, the actions of a 12 or 13 year old boy who are in the main very anmoying and immature is very different to an assault by an older boy or man which is more likely to be sexually motivated.

FrippEnos · 27/02/2024 18:34

@Birdsflyinghigh1

Who in the school has been dealing with this?
It sounds like its the HoY who is being useless.
It should be the head teacher or child safety officer.

TheCrowFlies · 27/02/2024 17:51

If the boys are covering for each other, then all the boys involved need to be disciplined. IMO a day or two suspension is appropriate. The school are setting a very dangerous precedent by allowing the boys to cover for each other in this way. It won't work for them in the real world and it shouldn't work for them in school. If my son was involved in something like this, I would want to know and I would want him disciplined, and two days suspension for covering up another boys violation of a girl is entirely appropriate.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 27/02/2024 17:42

Birdsflyinghigh1 · 26/02/2024 21:04

How do secondary schools deal with these situations where children cover for each other? It must happen all the time. I can't help but feel there has to be more they can do.

When I was a teen, if a group covered for each other like this, every single one of them would be put in detention. Most of them would pretty quickly "remember" what happened.

They were all involved in the harassment even if they just shouted etc, and they know full well who lifted her skirt, so the punishment would be deserved.

PandaChopChop · 27/02/2024 17:36

Glad to see victim blaming is still alive and well 🙄
Your daughter should be able to wear to a skirt if she wants to.

And the school should be isolating the group and spending lunchtime with teachers until someone owns up, instead of punishing your DD. Unbelievable!

Newbalancebeam · 27/02/2024 17:35

Refer to the latest KCSIE document. There’s a huge focus in there on child on child sexual abuse. Might help to focus the school’s mind.