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Where is a strategic place to move to in south London for secondary options

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LDNmeetsSurrey · 03/02/2024 17:39

We're currently in Purley (Croydon Borough) and will have outgrown our home in a couple of years; right about the time we'll be picking a secondary for our DD (our DS will be a couple of years behind).

We're trying to assess where is not completely bonkers financially yet is well placed for single sex (one for DD and DD) or coed options.

From our current location in Purley, we'd maybe (catchment has narrowed)) get into coed Riddlesdown Collegiate which seems fairly well respected, "outstanding" but is placed at 866 academically by Locrating and is quite a large school. Yet last year we would have been one street out so not certain by any means.

By comparison, Wallington girls (Sutton borough), is no. 192 and Wilsons (also Sutton borough) no.13 we could just about drive to (would be a pain of a commute though.)

We would still (I think) be included in the Sutton Grammar catchment from where we are, but I'm wondering is there somewhere else - Kingston perhaps - that would be more strategic to move to that would offer us some coed state options that are well regarded (Eg Grey Court School, up at no.335) as a back up but leaves the grammar option open, eg. Tiffin? The Croydon borough is also really struggling with a failed transformation of the town centre, a bankrupt council and crime that makes the headlines - so growth on a property here is smaller than almost everywhere in London meaning that gap will only widen if we delay moving for a few years.

Kingston is much pricier than Purley - but it's not as costly as missing out on a decent school and feeling compelled to go Independent (which it would be a real struggle to afford for two kids). Would that be a good location for multiple school options? Where else? Feel like I've scoured every league table and catchment map and now can't see the wood for the trees!

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RedFluffyPanda · 05/02/2024 07:51

Turing House only have 2 years of actual GCSE results to compare

It is unlikely they will suddenly drop down as it all depends on the cohort

Last year results. And this year was even better

Where is a strategic place to move to in south London for secondary options
RedFluffyPanda · 05/02/2024 07:48

fonfusedm · 04/02/2024 23:29

I think it is risky. Toolworth and Hollyfield or Chessington are not good schools.

If not grammars then there is not that much good choice there

Aren’t Glenthorne & Cheam good? I don’t know anything about the others you mention.

Well to some of those I named the police is called. Maybe the other schools are better but she would need to move next to them to get in

Fiddlersgreen · 04/02/2024 23:38

RedFluffyPanda · 04/02/2024 20:29

Turing House has much much better results than Teddington. Look at the GCSE results. It also has been marked as potentially Outstanding in the intermediate report by the very strict Ofsted as it is these days.

Turing House only have 2 years of actual GCSE results to compare

fonfusedm · 04/02/2024 23:29

I think it is risky. Toolworth and Hollyfield or Chessington are not good schools.

If not grammars then there is not that much good choice there

Aren’t Glenthorne & Cheam good? I don’t know anything about the others you mention.

RedFluffyPanda · 04/02/2024 21:04

eurochick · 04/02/2024 16:08

My friend lives in Purley and her kids go to Wallington and Wilson's. They are very doable by public transport. Fwiw they are pretty happy with Wallington but less so with Wilson's, despite its chart topping results. I get the non-selective concerns though. Riddlesdown seems ok but I never hear great things about Warlingham.

These are super super selectives without catchment. Hardly anybody gets in and there is no need to move immediatly until you accepted.

RedFluffyPanda · 04/02/2024 21:03

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 09:21

@fonfusedm

Thanks, might need to take a walk around Worcester Park and New Malden. My only experience has been a not so scenic drive on the way to Kingston but sure there if you get out of the car and walk around there is a lot more to see

I think it is risky. Toolworth and Hollyfield or Chessington are not good schools.

If not grammars then there is not that much good choice there

RedFluffyPanda · 04/02/2024 20:29

beztees · 03/02/2024 18:28

1101 out of 2552 results wide

Where are you getting this from? It's a very strange measure. There are lots of different ways to rank schools. It's best to just consider GCSE Results, as so many students move for A levels. Also consider progress measures as well as attainment, because if schools have a non-selective catchment they're more relevant.

THS and Teddington are both very good schools for boys and girls. Turing was recently re-inspected so maybe look at their latest report rather than just the grade.

Turing House has much much better results than Teddington. Look at the GCSE results. It also has been marked as potentially Outstanding in the intermediate report by the very strict Ofsted as it is these days.

eurochick · 04/02/2024 16:08

My friend lives in Purley and her kids go to Wallington and Wilson's. They are very doable by public transport. Fwiw they are pretty happy with Wallington but less so with Wilson's, despite its chart topping results. I get the non-selective concerns though. Riddlesdown seems ok but I never hear great things about Warlingham.

lovelibrary · 04/02/2024 15:57

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 14:03

@lovelibrary Thanks - I'll look into the changes you mention.

I remember doing lots of armchair searching - I even debated moving closer to Riddlesdown to get into catchment as it's so impressive on paper. But actually looking inside a school, talking to pupils and staff etc gives a very different impression sometimes. I guess what I'm saying is that you can look at lots of published data, but then form different impressions when you look round schools.

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 14:03

@lovelibrary Thanks - I'll look into the changes you mention.

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lovelibrary · 04/02/2024 13:25

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 12:11

@Boomboom22 yes close enough for the Sutton grammars, it's the non selective back up option I don't really have as most likely would be Woodcote, which I'm not keen on.

Others would be Riddlesdown (unlikely to get now), Warlingham (very average, never had a good rep). John Fisher might be possible but single sex so only solves it for one child.

I suppose the alternative is to take what I'd spend on trying to move to another area and spend it on Caterham school 🤣

Have you looked round Woodcote before dismissing it? I only ask it's now in the same trust as Riddlesdown and quite a few changes are being implemented. As mentioned higher up in the thread, we must be quite close to you so have done the debating about schools in the area.

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 12:49

That's great to hear another experience @Boomboom22 re Warlingham.

Appreciate the ideas

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Turmerictolly · 04/02/2024 12:42

Bexley? Good grammar schools in the Borough itself but also easy to get to Dartford grammars and the super selectives in Orpington.

Boomboom22 · 04/02/2024 12:16

What about the Harris at Banstead? Too far? Think a very small catchment. My friend has gone private from close but not close enough, moved in yr6 to guarantee yr7

Boomboom22 · 04/02/2024 12:14

They also have a pool which is unusual outside of private schools.

Boomboom22 · 04/02/2024 12:14

Everyone i know that went to Warlingham either got a 1st or straight to a good career. They all developed an excellent work ethic.

Now my sil works there and yr7 nephew goes, it's good for all kids, sen and high achieving do well there.

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 12:11

@Boomboom22 yes close enough for the Sutton grammars, it's the non selective back up option I don't really have as most likely would be Woodcote, which I'm not keen on.

Others would be Riddlesdown (unlikely to get now), Warlingham (very average, never had a good rep). John Fisher might be possible but single sex so only solves it for one child.

I suppose the alternative is to take what I'd spend on trying to move to another area and spend it on Caterham school 🤣

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Boomboom22 · 04/02/2024 12:06

BTW I sent him quite far because
He can get there and back himself by train despite it being 4 times further by car, unlike the other 10 nearest comps.
It's out of most grammar areas, nearer Tonbridge so only the really competitive grammars, meaning the top 25% haven't been creamed off only top 2-3%.
This links to more challenging teaching and Higher expectations, less btec alternative at gcse etc compared to the local comps.
He was close to passing so want him to be top rather than bottom in terms of average ability in the class for self esteem reasons.

Boomboom22 · 04/02/2024 12:02

Locrating is good but not infallible.
My yr7 by the heat map is another 5 miles away from the furthest light yellow bit, one stop further on the train. But easily got in. My yr6 is going to the local all boys grammar.

Are you not close enough to schools like John Fisher or Warlingham or one of the Harris academies if they don't get in to wally girls (I went there, loved it) or Wilsons (brother went, hated it. All my male friendz were from wally boys but it might be a bit far).

fonfusedm · 04/02/2024 11:59

@LDNmeetsSurrey

I work at one so don’t want to out myself but I would look at the below & as I said we are catholic which widens our options. We have a similar budget.

Ursuline
Wim College
Rutlish
Ricards
Holy Cross
Richard Challoner
The Kingston Academy

Trickleg · 04/02/2024 11:46

Wimbledon/Merton Park would give you access to Rutlish and Ricards plus the grammars. It does rather depend on budget.

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 11:46

@fonfusedm

What secondaries might you aim for in Kingston or Wimbledon if you don't mind me asking?

Budget wise, maybe £900/£950k at an absolute push. We've got a 3 (one box)) bed semi with about 1200sq ft now and would want to at least have 3 decent size beds and no less sq footage. Seems a lot easier if you're happy to get a 2 bed...

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fonfusedm · 04/02/2024 11:20

You’re right re house prices & that’s one advantage of outer boroughs you get a lot more house for your money.
We are in Wandsworth where I am from. It’s likely we will go to Wimbledon or Kingston for secondary but I also work in a very good school that gives staff priority so can be a little further from the “catchment”. We need more space & have a ok budget but I want space for that! What is your budget? My friend who moved to WP payed around 700k.

titchy · 04/02/2024 11:15

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 09:18

@Countrylife2002

You make an important pint and yes definitely considering it in the round (where to live and not just schools).

Problem seems to be, when you find an area you like (for example East Molesy) you then overlay the schools information (last 5 years catchment areas, decentish results and progress etc) and realise it's a blind spot and post likely many choose independent or have moved to that area after securing a place at a desirable school previously.

Living in Purley at the moment it's frustrating as you can get nice houses very affordable when compared with the rest of zones 4-6 of London, but...the town centre just goes further and further downhill - it's not a destination high street you'd want to walk to and spend time on. By comparison, walk around Teddington, St Margaret's, Reigate, even Crystal Palace (which when we were growing up was we felt was just an extension of Thornton Heath) and there are places to visit as a family and green spaces. But when you actually look at the school data it gets more complicated.

We had a bad experience with primaries: bought a house pre kids, looked briefly at the data, saw there was an ofstead outstanding within walking distance (0.24 miles) and thought nothing more of it. When it came to it, we got our 6th choice...2 miles away...and our DD was hit, sworn out and various other things and the school did nothing about it. Fortunately 6 months in a place came up elsewhere and we moved. Had I looked at the data, I'd have noticed the catchment of the school 0.24 miles eb and flow based in sibling intake, and realised where we actually needed to buy (3 streets away) if we wanted both the area and the school. I'm trying to learn from this for how we approach secondaries. Possibly over analysing! Smile

East Moleseyngets you into Esher high - that performs ok I'd have thought?

LDNmeetsSurrey · 04/02/2024 11:07

Thanks @Nanamuffin - that had been the approach I'd been taking this far, but every time I landed on an area, then did the schools part (including looking at distances) you realise in some areas even secondaries have tiny catchments and thus access to them becomes your ability to purchase a £1.2 million plus house as a starting point.

Came on here for some inspiration and it's been super helpful in some ways, but equally there isn't one approach and definitely conflicting views on the pros and cons of using results or thinking about grammar schools.

Lots of food for thought - thanks everyone who tried to help

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