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Non sporty child wanting to take GCSE PE

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doramaar · 30/01/2024 10:51

DD is y8 and choosing her GCSE options. She wants to take PE. This isn't because she has any interest in pursuing a career in fitness or health, but because she doesn't want to do any of the other remaining options. There are several other ways she could feasibly go (separate sciences, a second humanity, computing, drama, food tech) but she doesn't want to.

I obviously want her to choose subjects that she thinks she's going to enjoy, but also would like her to choose subjects that she has a good chance of getting a high mark in. She's academic so I'm not concerned about the theory element of PE.

But she's really not that sporty. She has joined an after school cricket club this year but doesn't play for the school team or an outside club yet. One of the team sports they would be doing is netball - she's never played it and has no idea whether she'd be any good at it. She doesn't do any individual activity at the moment. In all honesty my perception is that she is pretty average at best in PE. At the end of year 7 her target grade was a 2 (based on GCSE grades) and she got a 2C, so verging on a 1. For context she got 4s in English and Maths so was well above in those.

I think it would be a poor choice for her - the school itself recommends that they should be playing at least one sport outside school at a significant level and I've read things about kids needing to be playing at county level etc to do well.

Does anybody have any experience of a non sporty child taking it? If she were to ace the theory but do badly in the actual sports, could she still come out with a reasonable grade overall (ie a 6?)

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doramaar · 31/01/2024 09:00

caringcarer · 31/01/2024 01:41

Gosh I'd have thought she'd have enough on her plate just with learning Chinese from scratch and Music with only a year's playing. She really is making some odd choices. I can understand why you are worried.

Thanks. All I can say is thank god there are certain GCSEs they have to do. Can you imagine if she had free reign on all of them!

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doramaar · 31/01/2024 08:56

disappearingfish · 31/01/2024 00:46

She will not enjoy it unless she is at least a little bit sporty! I agree geography or history would be a better choice.

Is she being influenced by her friends and what they are choosing?

I don't think she's being influenced by friends. They're not sporty, they're more likely to be found playing Dungeons and Dragons than on the netball court!

She thinks it's an easy option.

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Dotchange · 31/01/2024 07:04

doramaar · 30/01/2024 22:27

No, she's only 12. And autistic, so perhaps I'm guilty of micromanaging a bit here because I'm used to having to in so many other areas of her life.

We're letting her choose everything else and ultimately this will be her choice too, it's just it makes me feel uneasy! What's the worst that could happen...I guess time doing extra curricular sport takes her away from concentrating on other subjects, the potential expense, and then she comes out at the end with a less than great grade.

Yes, but this is an optional subject. If she gets a less than great grade, is that really awful?
Exploring subjects at this age helps them learn about themselves and about the world. Perhaps being more sporty is a version of herself she wants to try on?

I believe very strongly that children should get to make these decisions otherwise they often get to level 3 and are unable to. Decision making is a life skill. She has to take core subjects- the rest should be up to her.

caringcarer · 31/01/2024 01:41

doramaar · 30/01/2024 13:10

This is the whole dilemma...we don't want to push her towards things she doesn't want to do but it's balancing that out with what we think would be better.

We've already let her make a language choice that wouldn't have been ours (she dropped Spanish at the end of y7 to start Chinese which will now be her sole language - seems alien to us that she isn't now learning a European language, but she really fancied doing it) and she's going to take Music, despite the fact that she's only been learning piano since the beginning of y8 so will probably be a bit behind there too. We don't want to stifle her but we want her to make sensible decisions

Gosh I'd have thought she'd have enough on her plate just with learning Chinese from scratch and Music with only a year's playing. She really is making some odd choices. I can understand why you are worried.

caringcarer · 31/01/2024 01:00

MrsMitford3 · 30/01/2024 10:54

TBH I think it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

It will be full of sporty kids who like sport.

I think doing anything at GCSE that you actively don't like/aren't interested in will be a miserable slog.

I agree full of sporty kids who are good at sport and good at team games. Your DC will have a nightmare if she plays in a team and is clearly the weak link. She's going to do Science anyway so better to just do a bit of extra science.

disappearingfish · 31/01/2024 00:46

She will not enjoy it unless she is at least a little bit sporty! I agree geography or history would be a better choice.

Is she being influenced by her friends and what they are choosing?

MrsAvocet · 31/01/2024 00:25

They probably wouldn't let her do PE at my DC's school. They expect pupils to be doing at least one sport fairly seriously outside school.
As others have said, the practical is a significant percentage and whilst the standard thay needs to be attained is nowhere near as demanding as it is for A level they need to be able to demonstrate progress over time in 3 sports, one team sport, 1 solo sport and one of either, off the approved list, and that can be quite time consuming. If the sports are all ones that are done in school it's not so bad as they'll be assessed in school but otherwise collecting the evidence does take time and effort.
That said, this is the opposite of the usual problem - our PE teachers stress the amount of theory as they get a lot of kids who are quite sporty but not very academic wanting to do GCSE but then being disappointed when they realise it's not the fun, easy subject they think. My younger DS used to moan about some of the kids in his GCSE PE class not taking it seriously. Fortunately now he is doing A level the class is quite different - mainly those with an interest in science who are also sporty. So I guess if she can do very well in the theory and is prepared to put in the work to get to an acceptable level in the practical it might be do-able, but if she doesn't actually enjoy playing sport it could end up being quite a hard slog.
Given she also wants to do music which is going to take her quite a bit of effort and is likely to need a fair amount of out of school work, personally I'd be encouraging her to do something different. It's true that they don't need to perform anything technically very difficult but those that who are at a higher grade already are at an advantage, both because they will find the performance less challenging but also because they'll already be studying music theory. The composition element is often the thing that pupils seem to find hardest if my DC and their friends are anything to go by and I do think already having a good grounding in music theory helps.
Neither subject is impossible to pass if you don't have a strong pre existing interest of course, but taking on 2 subjects where she will be playing catch up, plus what sounds like a challenging language, on top of all the other subjects just seems like she'd be making things unnecessarily difficult for herself. Personally I think I'd strongly discourage her from doing music and PE together in these circumstances and I'd expect the school to advise against it to be honest.

suafa · 30/01/2024 23:03

You need to find out which gcse pe curriculum your school offers, look at what is required and find out what your schools expects of its students.

Edexcel requires 3 sports (at least one individual, and one team sport) from a very long list which account for 30% of the GCSE. This rest is 60% theory and 10% coursework

Our school assesses a small number of sports during pe lessons (football, swimming, trampolining, handball, athletics) and you can provide video evidence for any of the listed sports. They don't insist on sporting prowess!

doramaar · 30/01/2024 22:27

Dotchange · 30/01/2024 21:07

Let her do PE. Seriously.
She is what, 14? This helps students explore. What is the worst that could happen here? She gets a chance to take it, and realises she doesn’t like it? Is that so terrible?

Also please let her practice making decisions about her life. This is a relatively low commitment decision, and letting them make this decision is good practice for choosing options beyond secondary.

No, she's only 12. And autistic, so perhaps I'm guilty of micromanaging a bit here because I'm used to having to in so many other areas of her life.

We're letting her choose everything else and ultimately this will be her choice too, it's just it makes me feel uneasy! What's the worst that could happen...I guess time doing extra curricular sport takes her away from concentrating on other subjects, the potential expense, and then she comes out at the end with a less than great grade.

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clary · 30/01/2024 22:27

yeh I am sure that is doable. Just she needs to be prepared to spend a lot of time practising - I had honestly forgotten till DD reminded me how much work she did with her clarinet teacher on her exam pieces. She just more or less ditched all her grade work for what felt like a year. Probably wasn't that bad tho lol.

DisforDarkChocolate · 30/01/2024 22:21

My sporty child didn't pick PE because of the team sport requirement. It will be bloody awful if she doesn't like sport.

doramaar · 30/01/2024 22:20

Thanks @clary. I've just double checked the school requirements and it says that in order to access the higher marks in performance they need to be grade 4 by y11. So she's got over 3 years still to get there...doable hopefully?
Performance wise I think it would just be normal exam nerves the same as anybody else - it's specifically speaking in front of the class that she doesn't like.

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clary · 30/01/2024 22:17

Yeh I did do loads of videos of DS keeping goal and chucking a discus about, but more for his benefit tbh. We were never asked for them by school. This does seem to vary from school to school tho.

Obvs if you offer sailing or skiing then that's a different matter as those cannot be assessed at school.

ittakes2 · 30/01/2024 22:03

TheStormynight · 30/01/2024 21:16

My DD did PE last year and is now doing Alevel, she’s very sporty (competes National level in1 sport), but we found it hard work getting video footage of competing in all 3 sports, you also have to meet the criteria of 1 individual & 2 team sports or 1 team & 2 individual sports. She found the theory ok as cross overs with Biology too. She’s also taking Biology AL too now. Personally I wouldn’t recommend it if your DD is not sporty.

My son did GCSE PE (ended up with a 9) and he took zero footage of two of his sports. Ask the school - if they do the sports at school you don't necessarily need video footage.

TheStormynight · 30/01/2024 21:16

My DD did PE last year and is now doing Alevel, she’s very sporty (competes National level in1 sport), but we found it hard work getting video footage of competing in all 3 sports, you also have to meet the criteria of 1 individual & 2 team sports or 1 team & 2 individual sports. She found the theory ok as cross overs with Biology too. She’s also taking Biology AL too now. Personally I wouldn’t recommend it if your DD is not sporty.

Dotchange · 30/01/2024 21:07

Let her do PE. Seriously.
She is what, 14? This helps students explore. What is the worst that could happen here? She gets a chance to take it, and realises she doesn’t like it? Is that so terrible?

Also please let her practice making decisions about her life. This is a relatively low commitment decision, and letting them make this decision is good practice for choosing options beyond secondary.

clary · 30/01/2024 21:01

Just quizzed DD (who took the old music exam with a letter grade - but as I say I think it is even more rigorous now) - she says all her GCSE music group had been having music lessons for a few years and done some theory in advance of starting GCSE too. The school did also offer music BTEC which people took who had less experience.

She says that her GCSE profile (excellent at theory, medium at performance, weak at composing) was not typical - a lot of people were better at comp but not so good at the theory.

She made the point that music GCSE involves a good deal of performing as well (I mean as well as drama) but ofc it's not speaking in front of people if that's the issue.

Her last thought was that it's crucial that your performance is good - it's less important in PE actually, as long as you show improvement and can analyse what to do better; but music to a large extent is judged on how good you are*. DD recalls virtually all of her year 11 1-1 lessons and a good deal of time in year 10 being spent working on her GCSE exam pieces.

*caveat - DD's intel is obviously a bit out of date as she took GCSEs in 2017 so mostly old-school. Her very musical mate took the exam a year later tho so new spec and she says much the same.

But I agree, your DD has time to practise and improve if she is motivated. It might be worth booking her some theory lessons - DD did hers as part of a Saturday music ensemble she attended.

EarthlyNightshade · 30/01/2024 18:44

doramaar · 30/01/2024 16:33

Yes they're starting gcses in y9. She hasn't done any piano grades yet, she only started learning in September, but there's no restrictions on who can take the GCSE.

We're not going to veto Music, she has to choose something at the end of the day and it's nice for her to do something creative. She's definitely not got enough artistic ability to do well at Art and from what I understand the coursework is brutal...she's had meltdowns over art homework already so keeping away from that! And Drama she doesn't want to do because she gets nervous speaking in front of people

That's a good point, she has a year longer to get to the level and it sounds like you can help her.

clary · 30/01/2024 17:10

doramaar · 30/01/2024 16:40

@clary but if most schools start GCSEs in y10, she will have been learning piano for 2 years by that point? Like I say I do think she has an aptitude...when she's done practising the stuff from lessons she will play around, experimenting with things like how inverted chords sound different, almost simple composing...I think she's got more in her than just a child slowly plodding through the lessons tbh, but maybe that's just what I want to see as her mum, I don't know 😂

Fair enough then. I would ask her teacher too. I agree a creative GCSE is nice tbf tho I would kind of put PE in that category too. Or how about DT?

doramaar · 30/01/2024 16:40

@clary but if most schools start GCSEs in y10, she will have been learning piano for 2 years by that point? Like I say I do think she has an aptitude...when she's done practising the stuff from lessons she will play around, experimenting with things like how inverted chords sound different, almost simple composing...I think she's got more in her than just a child slowly plodding through the lessons tbh, but maybe that's just what I want to see as her mum, I don't know 😂

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doramaar · 30/01/2024 16:33

EarthlyNightshade · 30/01/2024 16:00

I'm also surprised they are allowing her to do music, I thought you needed to be playing at grade 3/4 before they would consider it.
Has she done piano grades?
I think PE and Music together are pretty time consuming - do they start their GCSEs in Y9? That might help, but seems unusual for a grammar school

Yes they're starting gcses in y9. She hasn't done any piano grades yet, she only started learning in September, but there's no restrictions on who can take the GCSE.

We're not going to veto Music, she has to choose something at the end of the day and it's nice for her to do something creative. She's definitely not got enough artistic ability to do well at Art and from what I understand the coursework is brutal...she's had meltdowns over art homework already so keeping away from that! And Drama she doesn't want to do because she gets nervous speaking in front of people

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clary · 30/01/2024 16:29

Re the music - honestly it’s unusual to take music GCSE (music BTEC is a bit different) without already being a musician.

Like I say, dd found it hard. She got a B (old school spec - but I gather it’s now more challenging) which was her lowest GCSE grade. She played from age 8 and was in lots of ensembles plus had weekly lessons.

Tbh the exam was fine for her, it was composing she found hard; it may be that your dd will excel there, not saying she won’t. But be aware that not having a musical background would be very unusual in any GCSE music class I have known (as opposed to, say, drama, which will certainly include students who don’t access it outside school).

See the post below from @Lifestooshort71

EarthlyNightshade · 30/01/2024 16:00

I'm also surprised they are allowing her to do music, I thought you needed to be playing at grade 3/4 before they would consider it.
Has she done piano grades?
I think PE and Music together are pretty time consuming - do they start their GCSEs in Y9? That might help, but seems unusual for a grammar school

Wishitsnows · 30/01/2024 15:24

Have a look at the sports. She has plenty of time to take up something like rock climbing, Kayaking or something that interests her. You video these so she can keep trying to get a good video!

Ohnoooooooo · 30/01/2024 15:09

My son was only good at one sport and even then developed a knee injury so was predicted a 5 - out of 3 x 20 (for the three sports) he got a 14 and 2 x12. But he studied hard for the theory and ended up with a 9 - GCSE PE is mostly science type stuff and it helps to be able to write essays. So yes I think she can achieve a 6 if she is bright. Really depends on the school I know of a girl who did trampolining and did not compete anywhere but school still gave her 18/20 for it.