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What happens if they fail English GCSE?!

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airpodz · 18/01/2024 11:17

DS is in year 11 and on course to get grade 9s in maths and all his science subjects (which he wants to do at A level).

He is dyslexic and will struggle to pass English -- which is a requirement for all the sixth forms he's applied to.

What happens if he fails his English?

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Spendonsend · 18/01/2024 16:21

I agreed organising plan B and a tutor for English.

I also think look at his other subjects and 'sacrifice' one of them in terms of a 5, 6 or 7 is fine in a subject you arent continuing at a level, if it gives you more time to get the magic English pass.

titchy · 18/01/2024 16:03

airpodz · 18/01/2024 12:26

He’s predicted a 5 but recent performance suggests that might not be realistic.

His chosen sixth forms require a 6 or 7 in English and are so oversubscribed that they don’t accommodate resits — even for those like DS who will do very well in their A level subjects.

Yes we’ve got extra help in place and he does get 25% extra time.

I guess we’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it re the English result. Thanks all.

Don't cross that bridge when the times comes - get plan B sorted now. You may find that leaving it till August means colleges won't have space for him. Apply now.

ThanksItHasPockets · 18/01/2024 16:00

He needs at least a 4 in order to move on to a level 3 course. Very academically competitive sixth-forms simply don't accommodate resits for GCSE and A level, I'm afraid.

If it looks like he isn't going to get the 4 (and that would be very unusual even in a severely dyslexic student if he is on track for 9s in everything else) then you need an urgent conversation with the SENCO and exams officer about access arrangements as it sounds like he needs more than extra time. If he is cognitively able then you should seriously consider a computer reader (he can't have a human reader for Eng Lang) and either a scribe or speech recognition software for the writing components. It means sacrificing the GPS marks unless he can precisely dictate the punctuation marks but if the content of his work is decent there will be more than enough marks available to get him at least a 4.

This is urgent - a formal diagnosis of dyslexia will help but there is other paperwork to be done and he may need an assessment as evidence. It also needs to become his normal way of working for any further mocks or formal assessments. It has to be processed and approved by JCQ by 21 March at the very very latest.

bookmediary · 18/01/2024 15:27

As a parent have you looked at any of the past papers and mark schemes for English language? If you can see what is needed then you can help him get a higher grade too. Literally walk through each question one by one and look at what the mark scheme is looking for. Once you have done one or two it should be easier for him to pick out what the examiners are looking for. Ds found it easier to learn this from me rather than a teacher in class.

If he has to do a narrative or story they are usually given 4 or more generic titles to choose from. He doesn't need to think of a story on the spot, he can prepare rough outlines for stories before the exam. That means you and him sitting down and working on descriptive words for things, the best ones are weather, you can always stick weather into any narrative. Google will happily provide good descriptions for things. The same for describing a person. He is 15/16, they are not looking for a best selling novel, just how they use language and punctuation. My sons didn't do AQA for lang which is the usual choice but both went in with outlines for 3 stories that you could fit to a title, like The Choice, The Mistake, The Playground. There are lots of videos on youtube about writing narratives too. Mr Salles, Stacey Reay.

From Stacey Reay (teacher of the year) Fronted adverbial ie Frantically, cautiously, Wildly, Enthusiastically, Accidentally, Without warning, Within seconds. Use outside/inside - she greeted every person (but felt like a museum exhibit) or abstract nouns such as anger, indignation, outrage, courage, daring, bravery, integrity, virtue, principle etc. I really hope this helps. Mine both increased their English grades with the above. As your son, like mine, has 9s in other subjects this seems like it is an exam technique situation.

clary · 18/01/2024 13:01

Well it certainly sounds as tho you are doing all you can. If he is a grade 9 student in other subjects, worse than a 5 in English sounds a bit surprising tbh (not saying you are wrong! Just that it’s unusual).

Can you or rather the tutor really drill down into what is stopping him doing better? Eng lang is really (really) about how you answer the question; have you included what the exam wants, in the right place? But a tutor should be doing this for sure.

Has he had the tutor long enough to see a difference? If so, what do they think he will get? Push them for an honest answer. I once predicted a tutee a 6 on a good day – parent not very happy but it maybe gave tutee the push they needed (they ended up with a 7). Not Eng btw!

If it all really looks like he might get a 5 or lower grade (btw if he gets a 4 or a 5 he will not be required to resit) then I would suggest you look for a back-up plan in terms of sixth forms. Plenty of excellent sixth forms will be happy with a 4 or 5 in Eng if it’s not being taken for A level. Sounds like he might need another option in place now rather than trying to cross the bridge on results day tbh.

airpodz · 18/01/2024 12:26

He’s predicted a 5 but recent performance suggests that might not be realistic.

His chosen sixth forms require a 6 or 7 in English and are so oversubscribed that they don’t accommodate resits — even for those like DS who will do very well in their A level subjects.

Yes we’ve got extra help in place and he does get 25% extra time.

I guess we’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it re the English result. Thanks all.

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LIZS · 18/01/2024 11:29

Does he specifically need English language or would it be either/or with literature? Can you afford to get some specific support ?

clary · 18/01/2024 11:22

He’ll have to retake until he gets a 4. Depending on other factors, sixth form may still accept him. Mate of ds’s got a 3 - and better grades in chosen subjects - so they let him stay and resit. He got a 6 (!) in the autumn.

Can you raise it with chosen sixth form now? If he is likely to get 9s in science they’ll want him surely.

Dyslexia in itself doesn’t mean a low English grade - what did he get in mocks? What is his pg? Can you source a tutor to help him towards a 4 or 5? He clearly is an able student. Does he get extra time?

Octavia64 · 18/01/2024 11:20

If his offer for sixth form in dependent on passing maths and English then they won't let him into sixth form.

They may be prepared to let him resit.

If he fails officially he has to resit until either he passes or is 19 or goes to uni.

I got my son a tutor and he scraped through