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Y7 form change ?

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Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 04:58

My DD has struggled to make friends since starting secondary. (Had lots of lovely friends at primary) She’s doing really well academically but becoming unhappy because she feels she has no friends in her class, she’s with them the majority of the time (only streamed for one subject) so not much opportunity to make friends in other classes, and has had comments like no one likes you etc that are demoralising. I discussed with form tutor this week who was mainly focussed on finding out who has been saying unkind things to her. I get it but she doesn’t want make things worse by naming people, and also I’m not sure how focussing on them helps her directly. I think she’d benefit from a fresh start, in a class where she already knows a few girls, but would appreciate anyone’s experience or viewpoints, thanks!

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Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 19:41

She’s in clubs at school and out of school, it’s a girls school and it’s not selective, they just don’t stream except for maths, or mix classes…

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whiteboardking · 12/01/2024 19:35

Sorry OP I see you said she's in clubs - are they school clubs? Is it an all girls school? I assume selective if they then aren't streamed for subjects (a lot of grammars are like that)

whiteboardking · 12/01/2024 19:30

Are their clubs she can join? Our school is very big on having tons lunch clubs / afterschool stuff which helps kids find their tribe as well as them being mixed up for classes and streamed for some. It must be tough for her. As our forms don't do all lessons together, only 3, the numbers thing doesn't really matter. State comp.

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 18:43

Well respectfully I’m going to do whatever I can to support my daughter in not ending up one of those girls. Of course she tries to spend time with the 2 from another class and of course I’m constantly encouraging without trying to make her fixated on this issue. She already knows it’s an open house to friend always has been.
Think I’m really clear on your advice from all your messages, thanks.

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plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 18:24

to this day i recall the girls in my year who never really made friends. They sort of floated around. It must have been tough for them not to have their tribe at school but thinking back to some of them, i wonder if they ever found a “tribe”

IncognitoUsername · 12/01/2024 18:24

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 18:22

at break time she presumably spends with her friends from the other class?

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And presumably in a term or two all subjects will be set so she’ll be with a whole new group of people?

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 18:22

at break time she presumably spends with her friends from the other class?

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 18:22

unless there’s actually a space, then the conversation isn’t worth having because they are not going to swap your daughter with another in the other form

it’s one term in
your daughter hasn’t found her friends yet.
just give it time, encourage her every morning and when she does make a connection, encourage her and make it clear to your daughter than you have an open house to when she wants any friends over

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 18:20

i would be very surprised if the school move a girl who has struggled to make friends in to another form. Potentially disrupting that form. And… meaning one form has more pupils than the other

are there even spaces?

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 18:07

It’s not the mean comments that are my priority, hopefully I’ve made that clear repeatedly upthread; it’s the fact that she’s tried hard to make friends for an entire term and hasn’t made any connections. She’s lonely and feels invisible and it’s now affecting how she feels about school. So my question was whether my instinct for a fresh start in a class where she has friends from primary would be best at this stage, managing expectations that it may not be better. If not how long do I leave the situation, does a buddy system or wellbeing room typically resolve these situations. It may get better but my worry is if it doesn’t.

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plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 17:04
  • *she seems to have dealt with unkind incidents ok, I think it’s more demoralising because she hasn’t any friends to share the experience with, laugh it off or to empathise with her. She’s feeling lonely.*

from the school’s perspective…, a few unkind comments is not enough to get warrant much more than what has been suggested.

As you say, it just seems like your daughter has not made friends in her form and it’s unlikely they’d move her for that. Otherwise they will be moving people back and forth very regularly with the ebb and flow of friendships, especially girls!

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 17:00

what did the head say when you raised moving forms? did she give a time by which of her suggestions have not improved situation - then it would be a possibility?

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 16:58

are you happy with the school generally?

a large secondary school with no teacher responsible for pastoral care? very unusual. Concerning actually.

whiteboardking · 12/01/2024 16:36

Our school would switch her form after a term. Thankfully ours are mixed across lessons etc too

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 16:00

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 14:46

and that remains the same next year and year 10?

have you requested a meeting with head of year to discuss?

are you sure that there’s not a single point of contact at the school with pastoral care responsibility?

Yes that’s the same until GCSE options.
Yes there is not a member of staff with specific pastoral care responsibilities.
yes I’ve spoken to head of year today, she had spoken to Dd this morning, asked her for names, which DD felt she had to provide; and has suggested a class buddy and using the wellbeing room, those are the measures being offered.

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plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 14:46

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 10:58

one class is streamed only, as per the previous posts.

and that remains the same next year and year 10?

have you requested a meeting with head of year to discuss?

are you sure that there’s not a single point of contact at the school with pastoral care responsibility?

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 10:59

shepherdsangeldelight · 12/01/2024 10:05

My DC's school did this as well (they only had sets for maths). It's actually intended to make the move to secondary school easier as they are not overwhelmed by lots of new people and it keeps them in a situation they are used to from primary school (staying in the same class group for most things).

That said, I think they did mix classes for PE as it was split into boys/girls and possibly DT as the class sizes needed were different, so that might be the case for OP also?

PE and DT are also with the form.

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Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 10:58

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 10:00

so they don’t stream for any class whatsoever?

one class is streamed only, as per the previous posts.

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shepherdsangeldelight · 12/01/2024 10:05

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 10:00

so they don’t stream for any class whatsoever?

My DC's school did this as well (they only had sets for maths). It's actually intended to make the move to secondary school easier as they are not overwhelmed by lots of new people and it keeps them in a situation they are used to from primary school (staying in the same class group for most things).

That said, I think they did mix classes for PE as it was split into boys/girls and possibly DT as the class sizes needed were different, so that might be the case for OP also?

plumberdrain · 12/01/2024 10:00

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 09:04

Thanks for support and helpful advice all. Agree that the form being together for every class except one is big issue as no escape or outlet oif things aren’t working out. Remembering my own school days friendships were quite fluid but there were always friends in other classes to rely on at points where friendship group in my class were a bit iffy.

so they don’t stream for any class whatsoever?

TheaBrandt · 12/01/2024 09:23

Yes at dds school they are keen on setting set early and the sets are fluid the girls are frequently moving up and down. Not only is this better academically but exposes them to different girls (who are more likely to be at their level of academics). As they don’t do that at your school I would definitely advocate to move.

Dazedandcovidconfused · 12/01/2024 09:04

Thanks for support and helpful advice all. Agree that the form being together for every class except one is big issue as no escape or outlet oif things aren’t working out. Remembering my own school days friendships were quite fluid but there were always friends in other classes to rely on at points where friendship group in my class were a bit iffy.

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Lindy2 · 12/01/2024 08:31

Normally I'd say leave it until the end of year 7. It can often take 3 terms to find their feet and settle in. However, always being in that form group for all lessons does seem to be extremely limiting in terms of meeting new people. I'm really surprised at that. That must be so stifling if there's no one you particularly get on with. At my DD's school classes are formed from 4 form groups so there's a lot of mixing throughout every class and every school year.

I think it would be worth seeing if a move is possible before getting too far into this second term.

If there's no mixing of classes the school should really have tried to make sure everyone had someone they could name as a friend in their class. My daughter got to name some children she would like to be with and the school tried to make sure everyone has a named friend in their form group when they started.

HavfrueDenizKisi · 12/01/2024 08:29

I'd most definitely be speaking to head of year to get a move on grounds that it is affecting her mental health and you don't want to be in the position that she starts to school refuse. Not saying that's on the cards but it may focus the minds of the school to be proactive rather than reactive when the problem is more difficult to solve.

I think you need to be firm in your convictions that a move is in her best interest and therefore the schools.

TheaBrandt · 12/01/2024 08:18

Actually just the other day dd mentioned a girl she has met recently in one of her classes who she really likes but the girl is unhappy as not in an group and her parents have been into school about it etc. Dd is going to invite her into town and to a party this weekend. That’s all it takes…

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