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Manchester Grammar School or King Edward's School Birmingham

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Lalagu · 08/01/2024 09:56

My kid has received offers from both schools for Year 7 in the upcoming year. I am wondering which school he should choose. Do you have any insightful ideas? Thanks!

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MailMe1 · 21/01/2024 09:55

Ahh sorry I didn’t spot that read it today and thought of you.

Lalagu · 21/01/2024 09:50

MailMe1 · 21/01/2024 09:46

@Lalagu article in Sunday Times today

What the UK’s 184,000 new Hongkongers really think about life here

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96a4ecc4-65a7-4fb5-b393-45728f07a417?shareToken=d581120fe949e4e383a018e9d14bc335

thanks!
another mummy shared it last two days

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StarboysMum · 18/01/2024 14:48

MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:34

except school fee and rental

what school fee? am I missing something here?

Birmingham will be cheaper in parts than Manchester, but there are cheaper parts of Manchester for rental

Both schools mentioned are fee-paying independent schools.

YippieKayakOtherBuckets · 18/01/2024 13:06

HotSauceNow · 18/01/2024 10:45

My husband went to KES although many years ago now. He has very fond memories of it and his friends from that time seem to largely be high achievers but also balanced people. He had a long commute in. He is white but even then it was ethnically diverse with various of his friends having well educated first generation immigrant parents who similarly prioritised school fees over nicer houses.

I can quite understand not wanting to waste money on rent. However buying, and the friction costs of selling/buying elsewhere, are really significant. It is also not a quick process. I would therefore strongly recommend renting somewhere close to the school you choose to give yourself more time to really understand the areas and then choose. Particularly as the available area options for both might be significant.

in case helpful generally The Times has a big article today on people settling from Hk. The Times is paywalled but this should work as a share token:

What the UK’s 184,000 new Hongkongers really think about life here

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96a4ecc4-65a7-4fb5-b393-45728f07a417?shareToken=ee7335a92674e34d1d8bdd83c11788bc

Another voice here recommending in the strongest terms that you rent for at least six months before buying a property. We moved to Solihull ten years ago and in our case were only coming from London. We would absolutely have made a very expensive mistake if we had not rented for the first twelve months.

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 12:44

MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:43

i can only comment, HKers are also chinese and some also have similar characteristics and personality like mainland chinese......

indeed, I stayed in HK for an extended time back in the 1980s and travelled across land to Beijing, it was very different and enlightening

hope you settle well here and enjoy life in the uk

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MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:43

i can only comment, HKers are also chinese and some also have similar characteristics and personality like mainland chinese......

indeed, I stayed in HK for an extended time back in the 1980s and travelled across land to Beijing, it was very different and enlightening

hope you settle well here and enjoy life in the uk

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 12:38

MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:36

it makes me feel living with HKers community may not be a good choice in UK

I sometimes work in a place with 4/5 HKers and they stick together, they are lovely woman.

there is lot of HKers in Sale, Manchester, not sure about Birmingham

i can only comment, HKers are also chinese and some also have similar characteristics and personality like mainland chinese......

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MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:36

it makes me feel living with HKers community may not be a good choice in UK

I sometimes work in a place with 4/5 HKers and they stick together, they are lovely woman.

there is lot of HKers in Sale, Manchester, not sure about Birmingham

MikeRafone · 18/01/2024 12:34

except school fee and rental

what school fee? am I missing something here?

Birmingham will be cheaper in parts than Manchester, but there are cheaper parts of Manchester for rental

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 12:29

MailMe1 · 18/01/2024 10:14

@Lalagu super impressed by how prepared you are!! Good luck!

i am also impressed that UK mummy help me a lot in this thread
you dont know i tried to ask the similar question to HKers who already moved to UK for one or two years, most of them are reluctant to share any or just said if you worry anything please stay in HK...... it makes me feel living with HKers community may not be a good choice in UK

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Lalagu · 18/01/2024 11:50

HotSauceNow · 18/01/2024 10:45

My husband went to KES although many years ago now. He has very fond memories of it and his friends from that time seem to largely be high achievers but also balanced people. He had a long commute in. He is white but even then it was ethnically diverse with various of his friends having well educated first generation immigrant parents who similarly prioritised school fees over nicer houses.

I can quite understand not wanting to waste money on rent. However buying, and the friction costs of selling/buying elsewhere, are really significant. It is also not a quick process. I would therefore strongly recommend renting somewhere close to the school you choose to give yourself more time to really understand the areas and then choose. Particularly as the available area options for both might be significant.

in case helpful generally The Times has a big article today on people settling from Hk. The Times is paywalled but this should work as a share token:

What the UK’s 184,000 new Hongkongers really think about life here

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96a4ecc4-65a7-4fb5-b393-45728f07a417?shareToken=ee7335a92674e34d1d8bdd83c11788bc

thanks for sharing the news article
yes it is 100% true that HK people face employment issue in UK and we face the same problem .... we are working as financial experts in HK and earn a decent wage but....it is impossible to get back the position in UK and thus immigration is indeed not an easy choice for our life

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HotSauceNow · 18/01/2024 10:45

My husband went to KES although many years ago now. He has very fond memories of it and his friends from that time seem to largely be high achievers but also balanced people. He had a long commute in. He is white but even then it was ethnically diverse with various of his friends having well educated first generation immigrant parents who similarly prioritised school fees over nicer houses.

I can quite understand not wanting to waste money on rent. However buying, and the friction costs of selling/buying elsewhere, are really significant. It is also not a quick process. I would therefore strongly recommend renting somewhere close to the school you choose to give yourself more time to really understand the areas and then choose. Particularly as the available area options for both might be significant.

in case helpful generally The Times has a big article today on people settling from Hk. The Times is paywalled but this should work as a share token:

What the UK’s 184,000 new Hongkongers really think about life here

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96a4ecc4-65a7-4fb5-b393-45728f07a417?shareToken=ee7335a92674e34d1d8bdd83c11788bc

What the UK’s 184,000 new Hongkongers really think about life here

Low wages. Expensive houses. Good schools. Top-notch democracy. It’s three years since the UK opened up its borders to Hongkongers fleeing China’s oppressive rule. Where are they living — and are they glad they made the big move? Tom Calver meets them

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/96a4ecc4-65a7-4fb5-b393-45728f07a417?shareToken=ee7335a92674e34d1d8bdd83c11788bc

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 10:39

MailMe1 · 18/01/2024 10:14

@Lalagu super impressed by how prepared you are!! Good luck!

i am sure most parents contribute much to their kid in anywhere

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Lalagu · 18/01/2024 10:38

StarboysMum · 18/01/2024 10:08

Read this thread with great interest. I went to KEHS (KES sister school) in the 90s and lived in Solihull. My cousins went to MGS and lived in Cheadle.

A lot of the points I would have made have already been made. So I'll just make some points that I don't think have been mentioned.

  1. Is your son musical? KES/KEHS always seem to attract extremely talented musicians, and the musical provision is (or certainly was) excellent. I'm sure there's been at least one Young Musician of the Year finalist from the two schools.
  1. I get the impression from the alumni news network that KES/KEHS students are majority ethnic minority background now, so that could be helpful? The schools were relatively ethnically diverse even in my day.
  1. Lots of talk about the 885/S1 school bus, but don't forget the train. I started off getting the 885 in year 7. But when older, along with many others, I would get the train into Birmingham Moor Street, then catch the 61/62/63 bus down the Bristol Road (A38) to the bottom of Edgbaston Park Road and walk up from there. This was quicker, more pleasant, and you could meet up with friends from elsewhere for the bus journey. (Bus numbers may have changed!) The fast trains from Solihull into Birmingham take only 9 minutes, but as you don't have the budget to live near to Solihull Station that might not be that helpful.

Best of luck with the move! You sound well prepared. It's been insightful for me to learn about the preparations and sacrifices those coming to the UK from HK are having to make.

very appreciated of your sharing
yes diverseness is crucial in this era and happy to have diverse nationality in KES (as my kid now studying in HK and already adapt this situation....many of his current schoolmates are korean indian american england and russian...)

i considered to find a place near Shirley station as well since the property price is within budget but it also takes around 45-60min if interchange bus in moor street

btw your idea is great!

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MailMe1 · 18/01/2024 10:14

@Lalagu super impressed by how prepared you are!! Good luck!

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 10:10

LIZS · 18/01/2024 09:49

But as suggested further down you may be better renting for the first six months while you research public transport routes and areas to buy in. It is a significant purchase and you will not want to get it wrong. Also the bureaucracy of transferring money from abroad and opening UK accounts will slow the process down

i will come to birmingham to live around 10 days and mainly take a look on the potential zone i prefer

we have uk bank acct already and everything is ready

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StarboysMum · 18/01/2024 10:08

Read this thread with great interest. I went to KEHS (KES sister school) in the 90s and lived in Solihull. My cousins went to MGS and lived in Cheadle.

A lot of the points I would have made have already been made. So I'll just make some points that I don't think have been mentioned.

  1. Is your son musical? KES/KEHS always seem to attract extremely talented musicians, and the musical provision is (or certainly was) excellent. I'm sure there's been at least one Young Musician of the Year finalist from the two schools.
  1. I get the impression from the alumni news network that KES/KEHS students are majority ethnic minority background now, so that could be helpful? The schools were relatively ethnically diverse even in my day.
  1. Lots of talk about the 885/S1 school bus, but don't forget the train. I started off getting the 885 in year 7. But when older, along with many others, I would get the train into Birmingham Moor Street, then catch the 61/62/63 bus down the Bristol Road (A38) to the bottom of Edgbaston Park Road and walk up from there. This was quicker, more pleasant, and you could meet up with friends from elsewhere for the bus journey. (Bus numbers may have changed!) The fast trains from Solihull into Birmingham take only 9 minutes, but as you don't have the budget to live near to Solihull Station that might not be that helpful.

Best of luck with the move! You sound well prepared. It's been insightful for me to learn about the preparations and sacrifices those coming to the UK from HK are having to make.

LIZS · 18/01/2024 09:49

But as suggested further down you may be better renting for the first six months while you research public transport routes and areas to buy in. It is a significant purchase and you will not want to get it wrong. Also the bureaucracy of transferring money from abroad and opening UK accounts will slow the process down

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 09:30

ALongProcess · 18/01/2024 09:08

The student housing tends to be the other side of Raddlebarn Road, between Raddlebarn Rd and the Bristol Road. One of those houses looks like a shared house but it's a family area not a student area. that side of Raddlebarn Rd around Muntz Park. Hope that helps!

yes i also spot this area but indeed there is little houses available for sales at the moment

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Lalagu · 18/01/2024 09:29

ALongProcess · 18/01/2024 09:19

@Lalagu looking at property sites is a bad habit/hobby. I grew up near the area and occasionally my husband and I have "What if we moved to Birmingham and the kids went to KES or KECH?" conversations and used to say to ourselves this is the area we'd live in if we ever moved back and were not on a huge budget. So it's interesting that's what you're actually doing!

exactly!!!

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ALongProcess · 18/01/2024 09:19

@Lalagu looking at property sites is a bad habit/hobby. I grew up near the area and occasionally my husband and I have "What if we moved to Birmingham and the kids went to KES or KECH?" conversations and used to say to ourselves this is the area we'd live in if we ever moved back and were not on a huge budget. So it's interesting that's what you're actually doing!

ALongProcess · 18/01/2024 09:08

The student housing tends to be the other side of Raddlebarn Road, between Raddlebarn Rd and the Bristol Road. One of those houses looks like a shared house but it's a family area not a student area. that side of Raddlebarn Rd around Muntz Park. Hope that helps!

Lalagu · 18/01/2024 02:13

senua · 17/01/2024 09:47

Selly Park /Raddlebarn area is also on the doorstep. Walkable to. Include houses within your budget.
Good idea but you have to be really precise on area.
Google properties to the north of Raddlebarn Road and to the west of the railway line (use postcode B29 6WT, for example). There are lots of new-build / turn-key properties on the site of the old Selly Oak Hospital. Probably good for families.
However, move a little east - to the other side of the railway line, so Tiverton Road etc - and you are into student-let territory. Not such great neighbours.
Move a little more east/north along Raddlebarn and the houses are lovely. But with price tags to match.

you are extremely right, avoiding student-let zone is also considered

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Lalagu · 18/01/2024 02:06

ALongProcess · 17/01/2024 22:56

I know the area and previously suggested the area just to the south of Raddlebarn Road, as @senua has mentioned. There are some decent houses/roads there in walking distance of KES, e.g.

https://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/66348698/?search_identifier=34a0bd338788f6ec1e17906b31972a3c

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/141098603#/?channel=RES_BUY

https://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/65544276/?search_identifier=cb90a270c4e21d14af3dad4ae774d208

Very appreciated
It is impressive that you gave a hand to search
yes these properties matched my budget and also close to the school
just need to take a look whether there are student accommodations nearby to avoid noisy
btw thank you very much

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