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What's the point of a 5 minute parents' evening for A levels

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MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 17:51

My son is in Y13. Is there really any point in a 5 min parents' evening? The classes are not so huge that teachers need to fit in 30 appointments. I think it's really disappointing (verging on pointless) as it's such a crucial year.

My other children go to a different school and despite being in Y10 they get 10 minute appointments and a whole day is dedicated to parent- teacher consultations in order that the teachers can see every parent for 10 mins. (Other year groups are off school and have online work). In my opinion, this prioritises the parent/ school relationship.

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ampletime · 02/12/2023 07:29

Your child is old enough for you to take a step back. There is very good literature and study to show that parents who take control of their child’s lives, which is mainly education, end up with adults who don’t know how to overcome obstacles, hence they get no sense of satisfaction from anything and thus there are much higher rates of depression.
You have to learn to understand some things are trivial and not worth interfering over.

Maireas · 02/12/2023 07:19

I'm just going to echo pp when I say that it sounds like you need an extra meeting with other members of staff, so make that appointment.

Maireas · 02/12/2023 07:16

It's plenty of time. You say "hello, have you any questions?" Parent says yes, you address those. They say no, you go through recent marks, response to feedback, being an independent learner, possible grade, further advice. For most, it's enough time. If it looks like it isn't, I'll say I'll email you. All fine.
There's no way we could have school closures for parents' consultation evenings.

Brandyginger · 02/12/2023 07:11

I agree with previous posters - even a 10 minute appointment couldn’t begin to address those serious issues with your DS. I have DC with similar issues and we don’t discuss them at parents evening with class subject teachers - they are covered in a series of separate meetings with head of year, deputy heads and SENCO; meetings are usually 30 mins +

Foxesandsquirrels · 02/12/2023 06:35

None of those concerns are for parents evening in my opinion. You should be approaching the tutor for this and requesting a meeting with the sendco.

AGoingConcern · 02/12/2023 02:04

MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 20:56

spoiler: you don't actually have any concerns, you're just complaining for the sake of it

Ha ha ha. I wish - but you go ahead and tell me.

I have concerns. Ds1 has some 'issues' - likely undiagnosed ASD, diagnosed ADHD, extra time in exams etc etc. He works mediocrely, but has lost a huge amount of motivation this year, which I am struggling to understand or help with. He also gets HIGHLY anxious in exams and tends to mess them up. It woud be nice to have an opportunity to talk about these things and how to best help him succed rather than 'needs to work harder and revise more' (not very helpful!). Specific revision or exam strategies, specific areas to improve coursework etc. 5 mins won't be enough, so I guess individual appointments is the only way forward - but that is further encroaching into teacher's precius time.

I'm not dissing the teachers at all, and would hope not to create extra work for them. It is just clearly a bad system, especially for Y13 - which is why I highlighted a better one in my other children's school, better for students and teachers and parents, I believe.

It sounds like your concerns go way beyond a 5 or 10 minute routine parents' night check in, so definitely make a specific appointment for a longer meeting.

The vast majority of students (or their parents) won't need more than a 5 minute convo to put faces to names and ask a few short questions, taking into account that most info is conveyed in group info sessions & written communication. Making these routine appointments longer for all children only makes it harder for teachers to schedule longer appointments for the small portion of students for whom a longer meeting is needed.

MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 21:00

She knows what she has to do and the consequences if she doesn’t

Yes, this is my DD only in Y10. However, DS1 (3 years older) is very immature and seems to live in cloud cuckoo land most of the time. DS2 somewhere in between but by 18 I expect him to be in a different place to DS1. We need to help them where they are at, and not wish them to be different.

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FrippEnos · 01/12/2023 20:56

MerryMarigold

Secondary school age should be able to work at home.

Should is very different to will. If covid taught us nothing else it should be that kids don't work well at home.

MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 20:56

spoiler: you don't actually have any concerns, you're just complaining for the sake of it

Ha ha ha. I wish - but you go ahead and tell me.

I have concerns. Ds1 has some 'issues' - likely undiagnosed ASD, diagnosed ADHD, extra time in exams etc etc. He works mediocrely, but has lost a huge amount of motivation this year, which I am struggling to understand or help with. He also gets HIGHLY anxious in exams and tends to mess them up. It woud be nice to have an opportunity to talk about these things and how to best help him succed rather than 'needs to work harder and revise more' (not very helpful!). Specific revision or exam strategies, specific areas to improve coursework etc. 5 mins won't be enough, so I guess individual appointments is the only way forward - but that is further encroaching into teacher's precius time.

I'm not dissing the teachers at all, and would hope not to create extra work for them. It is just clearly a bad system, especially for Y13 - which is why I highlighted a better one in my other children's school, better for students and teachers and parents, I believe.

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MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 20:47

user628468523532453 · 01/12/2023 19:34

What is the benefit of a five minute conversation at all? What is it supposed to achieve?

Nobody would argue that a five minute performance review meeting for employees was useful or appropriate. So what's the point of these "meetings"?

Precisely. It needs to be useful or just don't have it. It's not about me, me, me. It's about wasting people's time, including the teachers. They should just make ad hoc appointments if there are concerns.

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AnyOldThings · 01/12/2023 20:30

I actually don’t see the point of any meeting unless there was an issue. DD is in year 13 and her grades are up to her. She knows what she has to do and the consequences if she doesn’t. Her sixth form updates a parent portal quarterly with her effort score, expected grade and current working grade. Unless something is bad I see no reason for me to take up the teachers time for a ‘chat’.

EatMyHead · 01/12/2023 20:11

Are they actually limited to 5 minutes though?

At my DC's school they make 5 minute appointments, but rarely stick to time and end up just seeing people when they do. I've always been able to discuss everything necessary in a reasonably open and relaxed fashion, without feeling hurried to be gotten rid of. That might have been five minutes but I suspect was usually longer. I don't know because I wasn't watching the clock and didn't need to.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 01/12/2023 20:05

This is what we have to put up with. This is why I got so fed up of teaching that I now work in a completely different industry. When the parents assume their child and their child's class is the only thing you have to do/deal with.

OP subject teachers are also form tutors. They are also teaching the sixth form kids who need level 2 English, maths, or science and failed it previously. They are also covering for that teacher who turned up for a week then ran for the hills after the twentieth shitty email from a "concerned parent" about the colour of their bloody wellies or the fact it rained that morning. They are also teaching the second A-level subject that most of us had to be able to teach in order to get a job at a school with a sixth form because of cuts.

It's not just your child or even your child's class. In the past we could give more time (when I started teaching in 2011, it was 10 minutes) but these days teachers have more pupils than ever and the staffing is cut to the bone.

This is the result of years of underfunding and telling headteachers to balance the books without actually giving them the money they need to do that. Some schools have extra funding from other sources e.g. academies sponsored by businesses, or schools who have been given extra grants for various reasons, and so are able to provide better stuff or more staff.

If you're concerned, book a separate time to chat to the teacher about your specific concerns (spoiler: you don't actually have any concerns, you're just complaining for the sake of it).

tokesqueen · 01/12/2023 19:47

DS2 teacher spent the first three minutes talking about a different student with the same forename. By the time it clicked, we were almost at automatic shut off.

user628468523532453 · 01/12/2023 19:34

What is the benefit of a five minute conversation at all? What is it supposed to achieve?

Nobody would argue that a five minute performance review meeting for employees was useful or appropriate. So what's the point of these "meetings"?

cansu · 01/12/2023 19:29

What is there to say?
Student is on track and completing work to a good standard.
Student is not on track and doesn't revise and hand in assignments.
Assignments are poorly done and student needs to revise.

At this age the result is in the hands of the student. If they don't work they won't do well.

ampletime · 01/12/2023 19:27

me me me culture

mondaytosunday · 01/12/2023 19:25

That's what we had and it was fine. If there are issues of concern a longer appointment can be made.

mrscatwoman · 01/12/2023 19:00

MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 18:06

Could improve by xyz

This probably takes more than 3 mins once you've had pleasantries and the issues have been raised which would take at least 2 mins or more.

It really doesn't. Most people don't have issues and, if it's a decent school, those who do will have already raised them/been made aware of them.

MrsHamlet · 01/12/2023 18:07

If you need more time, ask for it

MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 18:06

Could improve by xyz

This probably takes more than 3 mins once you've had pleasantries and the issues have been raised which would take at least 2 mins or more.

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MerryMarigold · 01/12/2023 18:04

Every year group gets the full day of Parent-consultations at my other kids school so no one is 'not benefiting'. Secondary school age should be able to work at home. It is a different concept but it's in a very low attainment area so I think they really prioritise parental involvement. Of course it's not ideal to lose 4 F2F school days but I think it's worth it for what you can get out of a good conversation.

I assume people take time off work to attend the full day consultations (I have taken the afternoon off). The 5 min parents' evening finishes at 6ish so you'd probably need to finish work early to attend that anyway. Many people might be on shifts so a full day (8.30-4) gives them an option to choose a good time.

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MrsHamlet · 01/12/2023 18:03

My other children go to a different school and despite being in Y10 they get 10 minute appointments and a whole day is dedicated to parent- teacher consultations in order that the teachers can see every parent for 10 mins. (Other year groups are off school and have online work). In my opinion, this prioritises the parent/ school relationship.

Prioritises it over the teaching of the other students I should be teaching that day.
Prioritises it over the teaching of the students who don't have access to a quiet space at home to work.
Prioritises it over the teaching of the students who don't have reliable IT access at home.

Muchtoomuchtodo · 01/12/2023 17:58

If there was a problem I would expect to know before parents’ evening. Big issues shouldn’t be brought up in that setting so a 5 minute check in is fine.

i really wouldn’t appreciate having to take a 1/2 day of annual leave for a 10 minute appointment.

menopausalmare · 01/12/2023 17:57

Because if you teach 2-3 classes (psychology is very popular), you could be talking to parents at midnight.

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