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Should I ask the school to pick up the pace? What should I hope for?

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MrPickles73 · 27/11/2023 15:24

DC1 attends a non selective independent school. GCSE and A level results are ok but nothing amazing. Our local comprehensives are very poor (15% gain 5GCSEs including maths and english). There are no available grammar schools.

DC1 just started at this non selective independent school in Year 9 post their prep school, which they enjoyed and found academically challenging.

The problem is they are finding Year 9 of the non selective school not academically challenging at all. The complaint is the lessons are too slow as the teacher takes a long time explaining and re-explaining to those who struggle. Even the lessons which are streamed (maths and languages) are slow for DC1. DC1 is I would say top 10% but not a genius. There are other smart kids but they are lazy whilst DC1 is more motivated.

I have been to ask the school and they have told me we need to be patient and the pace will pick up.. DC1s feedback from the teachers is excellent and they are frequently top of the class. But they are frustrated and hence unhappy.

We have looked at other local independent schools but not found anything any better. Full time boarding is not an option due to the cost, travel time, sports commitments etc.

What else can I do? I am wracking my brains.. do I go back to the school? What can I reasonably expect them to do? My feeling is they haven't really tried anything yet other than the existing streaming... DH suggests to continue where we are but I basically tutor DC1 in my spare time but I already work full-time and I wonder what we are getting for our school fees if I am tutoring them myself.

What should my expectations be? What can I hope for? Are our expectations unreasonable? Where are the smart motivated kids (we live in the sticks)?

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Phineyj · 27/11/2023 18:07

Ask if they'd allow her to start some GCSE work in the subjects she plans to continue with? She could take a CGP book in. Perhaps this will shame them into a bit of differentiation...

Mystero · 27/11/2023 18:00

There is often a big jump up when GCSEs kick in.

Maybe we've been spoilt by state school teachers skilled in mixed ability teaching, but good teaching should be accessible across different ability levels. I would be wary of encouraging the idea that it's beneath them. The lessons may not be that interesting but maybe it's just not a great lesson. Of course boring and poorly differentiated lessons exist. But I wouldn't too quickly buy into the idea that it's boring necessarily because it's too easy. This is something that children learn to say because it gives a big ego boost, both to themselves internally and from their parents. And Y9 is a really difficult year developmentally - peak teenager. This will probably squeeze itself out somehow. It may not look like archetype Kevin the Teenager, but it will (should?) still involve some conflict/attitude/moaning even if you think your child is not "that sort" of teen. Also discontentment and disengagement with some subjects is typical in Y9 anyway, as they move towards taking their options.

Rather than talking to school, if they are really keen you could spend time talking with your teen about the subject to inspire them to extend the learning themselves. Alternatively, give light touch sympathy but encourage them to see it as a small part of the day, job done, leaving lots of spare time to do more interesting stuff. Extended learning could involve books or documentaries, debate over the dinner table. There are even online free courses, Khan academy. But personally I would favour the parking it in a small box. Don't feed the drama of how terrible it must be to spend an hour doing something they find easy. Do the equivalent of "if you're bored, tidy your bedroom." They have lots of time ahead to get stuck into GCSE and A Level study, and nothing to stop them starting to self study earlier if they are so minded. But social development is absolutely key at this age and if school is leaving them with plenty of leisure time, good.

Octavia64 · 27/11/2023 17:22

That sounds like typical year 9 behaviour.

If she's been prepped for common entrance then some GCSEs are easy by comparison - I don't think my DD did ANY work in French from year 9 to year 11 and she picked up a very easy grade 9 at gcse. Same for Latin although I think she did some work there.

In your shoes I'd start focusing on the longer game - the step up to a level is substantial, Start getting her to think what she might want to focus on - languages, humanities or stem and start looking for the kind of stuff that looks good on uni applications.

MrPickles73 · 27/11/2023 16:53

Octavia64 thanks that really helps..

The prep school is independent and the non selective senior school is all through 4-18. Ironically most of the other kids from her prep also went to this school but she seems the only bothered by the situation. Some are being v lazy and not doing anything / messing about and alot are too busy socialising / trying to be cool.. The all through kids have gone at a gentler pace as they did not have Common Entrance exams so they are less progressed in most of the core subjects.

At the previous school they were a bright year (but non selective so still quite a range) but the teachers were also pushing them on. She has said the teachers at the new school are good (in the core subjects) its the other pupils that seem to be the slow aspect.

She plans to choose triple science and latin and as you say I suspect that will make life a little easier for the teachers in Year 10. I think we just need to find mechanisms to help keep the wheels on the road for Year 9...

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Octavia64 · 27/11/2023 16:02

Re lessons, mostly questions at this point:

If she was academically challenged in year 8, presumably at a linked prep school, was that mostly from the teachers or were there a group of kids that challenged each other?

If there were a group of kids who challenged each other where did they go? (I have a nasty feeling you are going to say boarding, but still...)

In many senior schools year 9 is not a priority. They have kids to get past A-levels and GCSEs; year 9 is often seen as a settling in year. Your daughter may well find that as she chooses her GCSEs and moves into year 10 the pace picks up a bit - if she chooses for example Latin triple science etc etc then she will mostly be in classes with more motivated students.

However, most teenagers have lazy aspects to their personality and some GCSE classes have not very many people in, so she may have to get used to a medium pace.

I'm in an area where there are a lot of selective indies as well as a few non-selectives and I chose to play the long game as I didn't want my kids totally stressed out by doing 13 GCSEs and being put under massive pressure, which the selectives can be like.

MrPickles73 · 27/11/2023 15:50

Octavia64 thankyou for your reply. I appreciate the suggestions re work outside school. How do you prevent them losing their mo-jo in lessons? My concern is they will become disillusioned.

LIZS school reports are all very glowing that DC is doing well and participating. There are other children who have been to the school and done well but given it is non selective the vast majority are average / below average academically. Re school selection we are very rural so its as much which schools you can physically get to as anything else. We have considered weekly boarding but full boarding is too expensive (and many of those are largely non selective anyway).

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LIZS · 27/11/2023 15:45

There must be a reason you chose this school. Was it based on the prep head's recommendation? Is it really every subject? You are only about 10 weeks in , so there is time for this to change. Are you sure dc is showing engagement and enthusiasm for the subjects in class? There is nothing to stop them reading ahead, around the subjects etc and you looking for extension opportunities.

Octavia64 · 27/11/2023 15:38

If the school is non-selective then there will be a wide spectrum of abilities.

My kids went to a non-selective Indy and some kids failed some GCSEs.

You are paying for them not being at the local school where 15% pass maths and English, believe me they would stand out more there.

If your kid is smart and motivated then the standard response is to expand what they are doing - do they learn an instrument, are they part of the music scene at school, do they do a sport or sports, what other stuff dies the school offer that you can take advantage of? You can start D of E in year 9 once she is 14 and that will really help develop her.

If you want to push forward with the academic subjects then you can look at supercurriculars - if she is into languages can you get some simple books in those languages for her to read, if she is into arts then concerts/exhibitions etc in the local city, if she is into maths then look at 3blue1brown on YouTube etc.

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